Ammara Ahmad July 14, 2008
#61 Posted by articulating on July 19, 2008 1:45:49 am
in East Pakistan there were not millions of Hindus in 1971 and the best option fr the whole word and nt just the sub continent is to wipe out extremism..( consequetly and hopefully G*** will be wiped out too).
#59 Posted by guru on July 19, 2008 12:01:41 am
Pakistan and now Bangladesh are Munnas of the west and KSA. Pakistan, Bagladesh and KSA can enjoy have their Islamic orgies. The best thing at this moment is getting all hindus from bangladesh and Pakistan into India and transfering all Mulims from West Bangal, Assam, Tripura and Bihar into Bangladesh and Pakistan. This would be the most humanitarian way to pay back for the blood spilled by Indian army to liberate Bangladesh and the murder and rape of millions of Hindus in East pakistan in 1971.
Other option is De-Islamization of Indian subcontinent.
Other option is De-Islamization of Indian subcontinent.
#58 Posted by Ras on July 18, 2008 6:19:57 pm
RE: guru (various)
Guru ji, a zero by itself is nothing but attached to
another figure, or in this case figures, it can be
a great deal.
People in Bangladesh today are willing to drop that
zero. People in Pakistan are willing to add a zero
to their original low figure, so we can get some accuracy.
The rest is a history of butchery.....
#57 Posted by anilsharma57 on July 18, 2008 10:55:34 am
dear ammara,
thanks for writing with such feeling. it brought back the memories of my first to lahore.
anil sharma bhopal india
thanks for writing with such feeling. it brought back the memories of my first to lahore.
anil sharma bhopal india
#56 Posted by guru on July 17, 2008 10:31:09 pm
The man who keeps hundreds of poverty-stricken families in his personal jail, Rehman Marri, has avoided going to jail once again on “health grounds� in Hyderabad in Sindh. In the latest raid the police recovered over a hundred starving haris from his jails. The idea behind keeping the peasants captive is to extract free farm labour from them. Rehman Marri became notorious after making the family of a Hindu named Mannu Bheel disappear in 1998. He was on pre-arrest bail since 2004; now he is free and is threatening the freed haris once again.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) alone comes to the rescue of enslaved labour in Sindh and has been pressuring a reluctant administration to come to the help of Hindu victims of the Sindhi landlord. The instrumentality of captivity is compound interest on which the workers are encouraged to borrow from the landlord. Compound interest is criminal and Islam forbids it as riba but no religious leader acts against the practice of riba that is rampant in some parts of Sindh. Just because the slave workers are Hindus, no one really cares. Sindh produces big charismatic leaders but its hari is the most downtrodden human being in the country. The rights of Sindh are the rights of its hari and they must be restored first
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) alone comes to the rescue of enslaved labour in Sindh and has been pressuring a reluctant administration to come to the help of Hindu victims of the Sindhi landlord. The instrumentality of captivity is compound interest on which the workers are encouraged to borrow from the landlord. Compound interest is criminal and Islam forbids it as riba but no religious leader acts against the practice of riba that is rampant in some parts of Sindh. Just because the slave workers are Hindus, no one really cares. Sindh produces big charismatic leaders but its hari is the most downtrodden human being in the country. The rights of Sindh are the rights of its hari and they must be restored first
#55 Posted by guru on July 17, 2008 8:50:13 pm
articulating,
save your articulation for the unit test. are you ready? we will be having 1000 such unit tests to cover 3 Million murders mostly of Hindus.
If you think Indians/Hindus should not give these guilt creating quizes and teststests and just go for the revenge, then you are right....30 50K TNT need to be dropped on west punjab. there is no need to touch your women and waste our semen. Is that what you prefer?
save your articulation for the unit test. are you ready? we will be having 1000 such unit tests to cover 3 Million murders mostly of Hindus.
If you think Indians/Hindus should not give these guilt creating quizes and teststests and just go for the revenge, then you are right....30 50K TNT need to be dropped on west punjab. there is no need to touch your women and waste our semen. Is that what you prefer?
#54 Posted by satyamvada on July 17, 2008 7:56:29 pm
#52 articulating,
You are truly displaying your k for kafir education.
Look up the definition of genocide at UN Convention on prevention of genocide.
The Govt of Pakistan has intentionally, in whole or part:
a) killed hundreds of thousandas Hindus of east pakistan in 71
b) expelled or converted millions of hindus in west pakistan significantly after the 47 partition !
c) actively encouraged the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of kashmiri hindus from the valley
c) killed tens of thousands the shias in northern areas
and turned them into a minority by settling panjabis.
d) has instituted bigoted laws discriminating against
small groups within the country and marginalized them.
e) supported, encouraged the illegal occupation,
,encroachment and destruction of hundreds of temples
since 1947.
What else - dude ?
The paki govt fits the definition of a genocidal govt perfectly. Every head of govt of Pakistan since 1947 fits requirements for being put on a Nuremberg type trial.
"articulating" - its people of your ilk, the disciples of TNT, who indulge in orwellian doublespeak and call others
hateful for pointing out the truth.
Pakistan can improve only after acknowledging the truth,
but then to the children of Jihnabhai, truth is of no consequence. You guys were pretty happy to support terrorism and kill Indian citizens, but now when things are turning against you, you squeal and become doves.
ps: JihNabhai changed his typical gujju name to sound more
arabic and thus became Jinnah.
Truth can be stranger than fiction indeed !
You are truly displaying your k for kafir education.
Look up the definition of genocide at UN Convention on prevention of genocide.
The Govt of Pakistan has intentionally, in whole or part:
a) killed hundreds of thousandas Hindus of east pakistan in 71
b) expelled or converted millions of hindus in west pakistan significantly after the 47 partition !
c) actively encouraged the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of kashmiri hindus from the valley
c) killed tens of thousands the shias in northern areas
and turned them into a minority by settling panjabis.
d) has instituted bigoted laws discriminating against
small groups within the country and marginalized them.
e) supported, encouraged the illegal occupation,
,encroachment and destruction of hundreds of temples
since 1947.
What else - dude ?
The paki govt fits the definition of a genocidal govt perfectly. Every head of govt of Pakistan since 1947 fits requirements for being put on a Nuremberg type trial.
"articulating" - its people of your ilk, the disciples of TNT, who indulge in orwellian doublespeak and call others
hateful for pointing out the truth.
Pakistan can improve only after acknowledging the truth,
but then to the children of Jihnabhai, truth is of no consequence. You guys were pretty happy to support terrorism and kill Indian citizens, but now when things are turning against you, you squeal and become doves.
ps: JihNabhai changed his typical gujju name to sound more
arabic and thus became Jinnah.
Truth can be stranger than fiction indeed !
#53 Posted by articulating on July 17, 2008 2:06:44 pm
Re: # 52 true...plus all these posts dont state how a government cn become genocidal...and all this hatred is in fact a proof of extremism... not of Indians...but of some of the Jugheads...present all over the World....
#52 Posted by Eklavya on July 17, 2008 12:35:31 pm
guru, this seems like one of those 'friendly' pieces that chowk puts up regularly to keep hope alive in hearts that need hope to stay alive. What got you upset?
#51 Posted by guru on July 17, 2008 8:03:38 am
Younger men and adolescent boys, of whatever social class, were equally targets. According to Rounaq Jahan, "All through the liberation war, able-bodied young men were suspected of being actual or potential freedom fighters. Thousands were arrested, tortured, and killed. Eventually cities and towns became bereft of young males who either took refuge in India or joined the liberation war." Especially "during the first phase" of the genocide, he writes, "young able-bodied males were the victims of indiscriminate killings." ("Genocide in Bangladesh," in Totten et al., Century of Genocide, p. 298.) R.J. Rummel likewise writes that "the Pakistan army [sought] out those especially likely to join the resistance -- young boys. Sweeps were conducted of young men who were never seen again. Bodies of youths would be found in fields, floating down rivers, or near army camps. As can be imagined, this terrorized all young men and their families within reach of the army. Most between the ages of fifteen and twenty-five began to flee from one village to another and toward India. Many of those reluctant to leave their homes were forced to flee by mothers and sisters concerned for their safety." (Death By Government, p. 329.) Rummel describes (p. 323) a chilling gendercidal ritual, reminiscent of Nazi procedure towards Jewish males: "In what became province-wide acts of genocide, Hindus were sought out and killed on the spot. As a matter of course, soldiers would check males for the obligated circumcision among Moslems. If circumcised, they might live; if not, sure death.
#50 Posted by guru on July 17, 2008 7:35:05 am
Younger men and adolescent boys, of whatever social class, were equally targets. According to Rounaq Jahan, "All through the liberation war, able-bodied young men were suspected of being actual or potential freedom fighters. Thousands were arrested, tortured, and killed. Eventually cities and towns became bereft of young males who either took refuge in India or joined the liberation war." Especially "during the first phase" of the genocide, he writes, "young able-bodied males were the victims of indiscriminate killings." ("Genocide in Bangladesh," in Totten et al., Century of Genocide, p. 298.) R.J. Rummel likewise writes that "the Pakistan army [sought] out those especially likely to join the resistance -- young boys. Sweeps were conducted of young men who were never seen again. Bodies of youths would be found in fields, floating down rivers, or near army camps. As can be imagined, this terrorized all young men and their families within reach of the army. Most between the ages of fifteen and twenty-five began to flee from one village to another and toward India. Many of those reluctant to leave their homes were forced to flee by mothers and sisters concerned for their safety." (Death By Government, p. 329.) Rummel describes (p. 323) a chilling gendercidal ritual, reminiscent of Nazi procedure towards Jewish males: "In what became province-wide acts of genocide, Hindus were sought out and killed on the spot. As a matter of course, soldiers would check males for the obligated circumcision among Moslems. If circumcised, they might live; if not, sure death."
#49 Posted by guru on July 17, 2008 7:25:57 am
“…… we were told to kill the hindus and Kafirs (non-believer in God). One day in June, we cordoned a village and were ordered to kill the Kafirs in that area. We found all the village women reciting from the Holy Quran, and the men holding special congregational prayers seeking God’s mercy. But they were unlucky. Our commanding officer ordered us not to waste any time.�
Confession of a Pakistani Soldier
Confession of a Pakistani Soldier
#48 Posted by guru on July 17, 2008 7:23:59 am
The Pakistan Army and the Razakars did not stop at simply massacring Bengalis. They also took to raping Bengali women. During nine months in 1971, over 200,000 Bengali women and girls were raped. Many were taken as sex slaves and raped multiple times by the Pakistani Army.
By December 1971 the genocide had decimated Bengali society. On December 3, 1971 the Indian Army formally joined the war. In 13 days the Indian Army delivered a humiliating defeat to the Pakistani Army in Bangladesh. The army that had committed mass murder against an unarmed civilian population was decisively routed in less then a fortnight.
The Pakistan army, on the verge of defeat, was determined to wipe out Bengali culture in one final act of barbarism. On December 14, 1971, the Pakistan army unleashed the paramilitary units al-Badr and al-Shams to exterminate Bengali intellectuals. The goal was to find and kill Bengali political thinkers, educators, scientists, poets, doctors, lawyers, journalists and other intellectuals. The al-Badr and al-Shams fanned out with lists of names to find and execute the core of the Bengali intellectuals. The intellectuals were arrested and taken to Rayerbazar, a marshy area in Dhaka city. There, they were gunned down with their eyes blindfolded and their hands tied behind their backs.
On December 16, 1971 the Pakistani army in Bangladesh formally surrendered. At the cost of three million dead the nation of Bangladesh was born. It was the most concentrated act of genocide of the Twentieth Century. Thirty-five years after the birth of the nation, many have forgotten the sacrifices of those who are no longer with us. But for those of us who survived, for our parents who kept us safe through the months of terror, there is no erasing the horrors of 1971.
Bangladesh today has yet to exorcise the demons of 1971. Many of the Razakars who collaborated with the Pakistani Army and murdered countless Bengalis have today returned to Bangladesh. Some of the Razakar leaders from 1971 today lead the Jamaat-e-Islami party in Bangladesh. Still others are living freely in the United Kingdom and the United States. None of these Razakars have yet to face justice for the crimes they committed in 1971.
By December 1971 the genocide had decimated Bengali society. On December 3, 1971 the Indian Army formally joined the war. In 13 days the Indian Army delivered a humiliating defeat to the Pakistani Army in Bangladesh. The army that had committed mass murder against an unarmed civilian population was decisively routed in less then a fortnight.
The Pakistan army, on the verge of defeat, was determined to wipe out Bengali culture in one final act of barbarism. On December 14, 1971, the Pakistan army unleashed the paramilitary units al-Badr and al-Shams to exterminate Bengali intellectuals. The goal was to find and kill Bengali political thinkers, educators, scientists, poets, doctors, lawyers, journalists and other intellectuals. The al-Badr and al-Shams fanned out with lists of names to find and execute the core of the Bengali intellectuals. The intellectuals were arrested and taken to Rayerbazar, a marshy area in Dhaka city. There, they were gunned down with their eyes blindfolded and their hands tied behind their backs.
On December 16, 1971 the Pakistani army in Bangladesh formally surrendered. At the cost of three million dead the nation of Bangladesh was born. It was the most concentrated act of genocide of the Twentieth Century. Thirty-five years after the birth of the nation, many have forgotten the sacrifices of those who are no longer with us. But for those of us who survived, for our parents who kept us safe through the months of terror, there is no erasing the horrors of 1971.
Bangladesh today has yet to exorcise the demons of 1971. Many of the Razakars who collaborated with the Pakistani Army and murdered countless Bengalis have today returned to Bangladesh. Some of the Razakar leaders from 1971 today lead the Jamaat-e-Islami party in Bangladesh. Still others are living freely in the United Kingdom and the United States. None of these Razakars have yet to face justice for the crimes they committed in 1971.
#47 Posted by guru on July 17, 2008 7:22:32 am
At the end of June 1971, Sydney Schanberg visited the town of Faridpur and reported on the persecution there:
The Pakistani Army has painted big yellow “H’s� on the Hindu shops still standing in this town to identify the property of the minority eighth of the population that it has made special targets.
…
The campaign against the Hindus was – and in some cases still is – systematic. Soldiers fanned through virtually every village asking where the Hindus lived. Hindu property has been confiscated and either sold or given to “loyal� citizens. Many of the beneficiaries have been Biharis, non-Bengali Moslem migrants from India, most of whom are working with the army now. The army has given weapons to large numbers of the Biharis, and it is they who have often continued the killing of Hindus in areas where the army has eased off.
…
However, army commanders in the field in East Pakistan privately admit to a policy of stamping out Bengali culture, both Moslem and Hindu – but particularly Hindu.
…
In Faridpur – and the situation was much the same throughout East Pakistan – there was no friction to speak of between Hindu and Moslem before the army came.
The army tried to drive a wedge between them. In April, as a public example, two Hindus were beheaded in a central square in Faridpur and their bodies were soaked in kerosene and burned.
…
Still, there is no sign of a hate-Hindu psychology among the Bengali Moslems. Many have taken grave risks to shelter and defend Hindus; others express shock and horror at what is happening to the Hindus but confess that they are too frightened to help.
For his part in exposing Pakistani atrocities in Bangladesh, Sydney Schanberg was promptly expelled from Bangladesh.
The Pakistani Army has painted big yellow “H’s� on the Hindu shops still standing in this town to identify the property of the minority eighth of the population that it has made special targets.
…
The campaign against the Hindus was – and in some cases still is – systematic. Soldiers fanned through virtually every village asking where the Hindus lived. Hindu property has been confiscated and either sold or given to “loyal� citizens. Many of the beneficiaries have been Biharis, non-Bengali Moslem migrants from India, most of whom are working with the army now. The army has given weapons to large numbers of the Biharis, and it is they who have often continued the killing of Hindus in areas where the army has eased off.
…
However, army commanders in the field in East Pakistan privately admit to a policy of stamping out Bengali culture, both Moslem and Hindu – but particularly Hindu.
…
In Faridpur – and the situation was much the same throughout East Pakistan – there was no friction to speak of between Hindu and Moslem before the army came.
The army tried to drive a wedge between them. In April, as a public example, two Hindus were beheaded in a central square in Faridpur and their bodies were soaked in kerosene and burned.
…
Still, there is no sign of a hate-Hindu psychology among the Bengali Moslems. Many have taken grave risks to shelter and defend Hindus; others express shock and horror at what is happening to the Hindus but confess that they are too frightened to help.
For his part in exposing Pakistani atrocities in Bangladesh, Sydney Schanberg was promptly expelled from Bangladesh.
#46 Posted by akcheema on July 17, 2008 7:21:46 am
Re: # 41
CORRECTION
that was "nostalgia" and not nostangia
apologies
CORRECTION
that was "nostalgia" and not nostangia
apologies
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