Why is Karachi Turning Into a Sell-Out?

Re: # 76 all weath created in karachi is keeping country afloat and witout port city all trade will come to standstill. no imports no exports. that keeps rulers mindful of interests of mqm and karachi.

Re: # 74 mr. zeemax do not believe all news about mqm they print, most are biased agaist altaf and hatred and writing bad stuff is now in their blood. anti mqm attitude is so strong even supporters have to be on defensive. mqm destroyed the myth of punjabi and pathan physical supremacy, they defeated ppi gangs completely and when needed liquidated oppressers and same way destroyed army ranger myths on streets of karachi. sure army many more mqm supporters but altaf went out and continued struggle all ways and delivered land for his people. he is good to friend to friends and worst to enemies. it is fashion to criticize him unfairly and make false alligations. we are tired of anti mqm hatred. urban sindh is mqm country just like punjab is ns country.

... 9 March should be 9 April.

#73 Posted by MatloobZaman,

Sir, I'm not very good at writing long posts. But I see you're not used to answering pointed and direct questions.

Black Tigers is the militant wing of MQM. The same who burnt a lawyer and his five clients alive on 9 March this year. And no, Haqiqi was restricted to Landhi & some parts of Korangi industrial areas where may have demanded bhatta, but did NOT operate in entire Liaquatabad to North Nazimabad residential as well as Industrial areas where the Altaf group imposed a virtual tax on each household and industry - so please do not deflect to Haqiqi. It was a tiny group anyway and almost extinct now. Altaf group killed most of them and dumped them on roadsides in sacks when the Government allowed them to do so after having met it's objectives with their creation.

Your remark: "... my deeds, among many which includes providing the empty treasury of Pakistan with the Gold that the state uses as a reserve to print the currency" particularly caught my attention and sheer amazement.

Are you saying, Sir, that Pakistan currency is backed by Gold reserves?

What're the total Gold Reserves of Pakistan even at today's prices and what is the aggregate money in circulation?

That's nothing relevant to the subject, but I do have to say it reflects very badly on the rest of your knowledge.

have a good one, time for me to hit the sack.

Re: # 71
I would like you to place your question in straight language rather than 70% Club or Black Tigers because I dont resort to camouflaging and prefer straight talk.

Oh yes, most definitely I admire MQM for their reasons to establish an organization, I do claim Karachi as "my" & "our" city and have no shame in saying so quite openly while I will continue to do so in future.

Why does it concern you?
If so, kindly explain your concerns in detail.

Talibanization is not all that bad either if it is meant to establish the rules of scripture.

The Talibanization which I understand from recent expression by some specially from MQM refers to the existence of the anti-social elements who have been using the jurisdiction of Karachi for their criminal activities such as, taking over other's property by force and seeking ransom to evacuate, drug trafficking, drug pushing, providing shelter to criminals, blocking innocent unarmed civilians from going to their home, armed robberies and looting of unarmed civilians in their homes and on the street, kidnapping for ransom etc. while all this mischief is ongoing since the 80's before the student body (became MQM) on a continuing basis and even happening today.
I know of cases where some of such anti-social activists have recently challenged families with children who were walking back to their home from their elder's homes were intercepted and warned that they were in an out-of-bounds territory.

If your brother/sister/mother/father or relatives or even acquaintances were challenged in this manner what would be your feelings, emotions and sentiments?

Last but least I think this needs to be made clear that I am not submitting myself for any scrutiny by your highness or do I need to go on explaining myself since I am beyond all those certifications that you may feel to be a certifying authority on.

My deeds are meant for me and you may have yours, to each is there own, I repeat that I am most certainly an admirer of MQM and specially since I have firsthand knowledge as to how the establishments of past attempted to demonize MQM, after the creation of MQM there came about a MQM Haqiqi that was formed by certain cronies of the BB govt and consisted of fresh recruits whose sentences were commuted on the condition that they would form such an organization to counter and defame the actual MQM upon their release from jail where they were serving time for criminal activities, while all the excessive acts that were carried out by the MQM-Haqiqi group were imposed upon and made responsibility of the actual MQM. The demands for money from hawkers and shopkeepers and many other criminal acts to include constant killing of members, followers and officials of the actual MQM while the impostor MQM Haqiqi was also supported by the govt. machinery in carrying out their heinous criminal acts.

I have all the confidence that the encroachment by the so-called Talibans shall be handled effectively as their increasing activities that encroach on the civil liberties of others are at a surge, while they happen to be well armed too, it was dealt with in past and it will be dealt with even more vigor should there be such a need again, while the only way to deal with an armed guerrilla force is to counter them in kind and aside from MQM others not under the umbrella of such an organization are also prepared individually and will respond God forbid if there is a need to.

In my case you don't need to worry about my deeds, among many which includes providing the empty treasury of Pakistan with the Gold that the state uses as a reserve to print the currency so people have a mean to be a part of civilized world instead of depending on barter system.

My question to you is, what would you do to such anti-social elements such as these so-called Talibans as being referred to in the media and bought by innocent people like you? would you sit back and watch your mothers/sisters/daughters/wives and other loved ones being challenged by such elements or will you take necessary action to prevent them from establishing themselves controlling as parallel force to the govt. in power?

Thanks for the offer for trying again your question but I would rather leave that unanswered since you are so smart when it comes to speculation. Since the real Taliban are no rag tag mullahs and are much too learned in their faculty than anyone posting here on this site, and the less than literate ones are busy exploiting innocent civilians of Karachi.

#70 MatloobZaman,

You didn't answer my question, but are merely presenting oft repeated platitudes which are shallow at best, not backed by deeds or attitudes of the MQM admirers to which you have admitted at being one.

Do try again. Here's the question of #50 again:

"In any event, this 'our city' claim becomes even more ludicrous when now the same people who proudly claim the ability to shut down Karachi in a day with their thugs, and use that threat as leverage to extract political benefits from the majority parties at both the Federal and Provincial level, are getting hoarse appealing everyday to the common Karachi Citizens to form 'Civil Defence Committees' against encroaching Talibanisation.

What? Unbelievable!

Is it that the Black Tigers who can shut down Karachi in one day, cannot defend the Karachi Citizens against some rag tag tribal mullahs? The citizens will need to do it themselves this time around?"

Regards.

Re: # 50
There you go speculating, I have no connections with MQM or any other political party of Pakistan, since everyone of those is merely composed of thugs from top to bottom.
Thugs who are on the forefront only to benefit personally and to provide benefits for their cronies the so called supporters.

What I say is from my knowledge of the overall events and what brought about the creation of MQM, I dont care to be a part of any organization that labels itself with an ethnicity label, but it does not mean, that due to that I oppose their existence.

From my vantage point I know and see a lot of activities that have been taking place in the filthy policital arena of Pakistan, on one hand you suggest that some people that you dislike should stop calling Karachi their's, while on the other hand you chose to turn your face when several others happen to claim alike? Baluchistan, FATA, Sindhu Desh etc. or is it only due to its being the most developed city and majority of those who contributed to the development as well as majority of those who made it home don't meet your eye?

The Pathans have been coming to Karachi ever since I have known and been a part of metropolis, however since the special Pathans who are actually not the same hardworking Pathans but a bunch of criminals who settled in established ghettos of serious criminal activities in Karachi are the one's that are not among the liked ones due to all the activities they brought to "our" city.

I thought you are brilliant enough to understand when I said "ours" which was meant to have included you and others regardless of what ethnic or regional background you come from, however, I can only blame the misunderstanding on tunnel vision which promotes a mindset against urdu speaking mohajirs who have a right to call Karachi their city based on their contributions they not only made to Karachi but also to the state of Pakistan, unfortunately your generation may not have been taught about the history of mohajirs' contributions in the establishment, support,maintenance and development of entire Pakistan.

No matter how "you" feel about it, I reiterate my claim to Karachi as my city and don't have a problem if you or others feel alike, but, with nothing less than a goodwill.
I think I made it quite clear in my previous response that I acknowledge the contributions to the development and progress of this city of Karachi to the various ethnics from several regions of Pakistan however after having read your writing in response it leads me to understand that you wish to totally disclaim the Urdu speaking mohajir community of Karachi from any rights to their city, and sadly that is a dream that is never going to see the daylight "if in fact that is what you mean to express" and if you do, then the only conclusion I offer is that, it is so very sad to know that there exist such people in my homeland of Pakistan.

I take due-pride in my ethnicity, culture, language and traditions but that does not mean to belittle others in comparison to mine, as opposed to some who feel and express in such manner unless they happen to be imperceptive and merely seek a clash, and if so, then, they don't measure up to my level and should not be addressed.

Re: # 55
Masadi you are like a frog or better yet a tadpole who fell in the well and is stuck in it.
You are so self-righteous that no one other you the tadpole is such an overall expert on each and every issue that is discussed on any topic on this site.
Have mercy on yourself and spare the people of your daily wrath and the poison that seems to be well stocked within your keystrokes.
I have seen your writing and nit-picking of each and every individual on this site that your comments mean nothing.
With all the knowledge that you spew here, your should change your name from masadi to "errorist" yes without a T that is.

Anil writes "Please show me any writing from Mills where he talks about the social impact of billion connected people who are separated by few keystrokes; and hundreds of millions of people who can do things on-demand at their on time and in their space"

First since you haven't read Mills yet argue against him, it will be useless to tell you that he was the first one to study the impact of the newly formed concentrated media in the US. That media that has been ultra concentrated in the US has greater impact than your "keystroke" working people where a mere impression is given of empowerment (through the internet) yet the same corporations dominate the internet world as dominate the media. The media tries to give the same impression by letting you "call in" to the programs, yet the filters they contain only discuss those issues in the US that are valued by the elite, or are distractions that want to move you in a particular direction.

You have not, as usual, been able to come up with a single argument to refute what I write. Your posts are full of bigotry against Islam even though my posts don't discuss it in pontificating on contemporary issues.While talking about "changes" you have no clue about today's global structure and the role that the power state plays to keep these relationships, railing against Mills' 1950s book (that you havent read) you want to return to the time of Adam Smith (a world of infant, scatter, mom and pop type capitalism and not of the ultra concentrated militarized capitalism). You remain an ignoramus who has written a 5 page response full of BS against my person while not approaching a single argument...Learn how to spell my nick, "masadi" not "massaddddiiii", and no matter what BS excuses you offer to legtimize Chowk staff regarding my articles, you remain a cheap supporter of censorship and little else....

Re: # 66 Mr anil and friends.... Please do not red flag truths you do not like to ban somebody.

Re: # 64 Mr. Anil... You have not read mr. Masadi's books I guess or mr. Mills. So do not talk about things you have not read. We do not want you sitting some where in usa tell masadi what is right or wrong. One arab philosper king once advised said it is never right to sit on camels and herd ships and goats.
You do not absoluetly do not understand working man is going through anguish and frustration. It not only want aata, water, catching bus electricity or violence it is just loss of hope. Now there all little processions all time, demands by men , women ,children, by rich ,poor and all . It is season of discontent I have never seen in life. This mangal bagh and other outfits have extremely damaged country and army standing. We know our army can bring indian army to halt and F-16 can destroy you junky russian floating platform by firing missile from hundred miles. And not afraid of india and cruze missiles can shut down all atomic missile on ground. But this civil war is snapping at respect of army. Army is all time looks on retreat and avoiding contact with lashkars. All armies at least always need contact with enemy but army has almost closed that defensive instincts. Army and ruling class has decided not to defend idealogy of pakistan the two nation theory which is snapping at unity of country. Baniya sindhi and lazy mercantile class talking of importing junky 10 years old busses pure junk. They have side lined kashmir and wants friendship with oppressors of Kashmir. Then what is left and how kashmir problem will be solved. Other nationality problems are rising up fast. B. Stan terror group are blowing national assets at will and our national ZERO is to Dubai then another "piller" Lion of Punjab is on move and on way to london. ( Only some body is doing is city chief of karachi MQM man and piunjab chief NS brothwer is trying ) all others are haram and on drugs and just looting. Now all lakshars are in charge and army is loosing control and confidence and just retreating and appeasing. Appeasing has made Lakshars contempful of army. One does not know where army can decide to make stand may be they may show backbone will be too late. People talk with hatred against army and comforting to lakshars as they may not like like them but they have more characters than continuation of east India british co by american co.
It is too complex and things are disintegrating and stocks are not not doing good but killing honest people like me.

Mr. Masadi is lone voice is in wilderness . Now i do not agree with him always , but his main thesis is right that american elites are deciding fate of first nuclear muslim power and local elites are accepting it and seconding it. At least out of decency they should not lie and support wot, they are reapeating american lines.. I support masadi as he is only left left socialist antielists. Now tamasha of lawyers is directed by head mastewr black lady mrs. Rice they are taking orders from american lady all mards of pakistan.
Now i do not agree with Masadi about mr. Hussain who is atleast addressed as Quaid E Awam.And he is doing good job and try to stop p.Talibs so I did not his ditribe against mr. Hussain. Now PP oe PML who wants to come in power have to accept aspirations of people Karachi. Karachi is controlled by Altaf no body will like to cross his path. He does do control all Urban Sindh and he does not want to encroch others including Mr. Zero and NS. So let us show respect to Hussain and please no bad word about him.

Basically you do not contribute as situation is difficult than anybody this. Only masadi telling some truth and they are bitter . Hope they stop banning him as habit. I salute Mujumdar for helping hinmm to defeat elite controlof media.
Good day bye.
You can write about india and bombing going on . It looks frustrated Left+Bjp are blasting cities to challenge mrs Gandhi. Hoipe mrs gandhi takes care of bomber but hard as left and bjp bombers are part of govt. How about making uN inquiring of blasting. You pay attention to india. Instead of blocking masadai stopping some big mouths from india for change.
Good day.

Re: # 64

Correction:

"I would know Islam"

should be

"I would NOT know Islam"

Massaddi Mian:

Please show me any writing from Mills where he talks about the social impact of billion connected people who are separated by few keystrokes; and hundreds of millions of people who can do things on-demand at their on time and in their space. Otherwise please just keep quiet and listen to others also.

You are indeed a cry baby. You prefer to propound your ideology. Has it ever occurred to you that the constitution of the country Chowk.com is located vigorously allows freedom expression and choice? This freedom of expression is both ways. Any media has equal right to publish or not publish. It is not your birth right.

Is it not possible that Chowk.com may not subscribe to your ideology, and may have exercised their freedom of expression?

Certainly you would not publish KKK, or Jewish Defense League, or Bajrang Dal material on your web-site, because it is your choice. Beside who wants to go to your web-site, else you would not be crying like a baby here instead publishing there.

You are so arrogantly narrow minded that probably caused Hamidm sahib and Tahmed sahib to be banned for trying to return your favors. Chowk.com seems to publish as diverse views as Echoboom, Urstruly, Zeemax, HP, Hamidm and Tahmed sahibs to mention the few.

If you cannot change your habit of throwing tantrums and hurling abuses then please do not blame Chowk.com for its actions. Hopefully you are smart enough to understand this, and would try to improve your debating skills and mature your thoghts and concepts.

Also it does not hurt to accept a defeat gracefully, when everyone knows if you won or lost. When you cry like a baby, it seems you are trying to control Chowk.com, and make it give in and concede, like a cry baby does to his or her mother.

For your knowledge I signed the petition that you should be allowed to publish here. Chowk.com has complete editing control at this site.

Please respect others right to express themselves, crying should not make any difference, as much as you want others (Chowk.com) to accept your right to publish at this site.

Also, during my student days, I probably was as much an activist as you are. I have understanding of the viewpoints of the left. I would know Islam, but I know enough about the place of belief systems much more than you do. Your narrow-minded approach, rigidity and very shallow grasp of many subjects you claim to be knowledgeable is clear to many. You, in most self-serving way, you declare yourself to have won and prevailed over the others, or start hurling insults.

You are completely wrong that Mills or 7th century laws and theories about social constructs are valid in new reality of billion connected people and growing. Laws governiing societies have evolved. Especially in today's world when capital moves at the speed of light and labor/jobs move at the speed of sound. You fail to understand that in this flat-world capturing of mind is more important than capturing of land. In this world, equity (ownership / control) is less important than sharing and deriving benefits.

Today Islamic sword is just as ineffective and Christian crusades would be. There is no point for you to get angry on this reality that economy is the single biggest driver, and next is technology.

Markets are not limited to demographics or geographic, they are getting formed across the globe on other attributes like shared experience and values.

Co-creation is a new paradigm, than working in isolation. Collaborative creativity and creative commerce are creating small businesses with multi-national foot print. For almost a decade, small businesses are creating more jobs than multi-nationals. Social differences between places are becoming sharper. Value creation is in diversity, Silicon Valley and Mississippi Delta have very sharp differences.

It does not need an Einstein to see the changes that are happening, provided you walk with your mind's eyes opened. Then what would you know, when you went on touring America you chose to take pictures of the donkeys.

Whatever please do not be a cry baby, and if you cannot accept the rules of Chowk.com, publish on your web-site, teach at your Madrassa.

Re: # 62

ok calm down massssssaaaaaddddiiiii saaab

you lunatic

And for the 1000th time it is "Masadi" not "Masssaddddiii mian"; thank you