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Why is Karachi Turning Into a Sell-Out?

Ahmer Muzammil July 17, 2008

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#1 Posted by rf786 on July 21, 2008 12:35:35 am
Ahmer Muzammil

Let me start by saying congratulations for trying to present a balanced view of life in Karachi. Having said that, why do we have to question Karachi populations for their actions? has it ever occured to the majority that Lahoris were equally responsive to the Musharraf coup. If Chaudhry Iftikher is the yardstick then that is rather unfortunate cause there is plenty of evidence that shows the deposed CJ in poor form.

Another question that needs to be askd is why has Punjab sold itself to the Sharif's? Same people who marginalized other nationalities, bribed and bullied judiciary, caused billions of rupees losses to the state, have always been the pet dogs for the establishment actually their creations. Yet there is no moral outrage.
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#2 Posted by CheGuevara on July 21, 2008 1:13:02 am
"Don't we claim to be the descendents of people who laid there lives in millions to ensure a democratic, Islamic and most importantly a welfare state"
Wtf? Also Ahmer Muzammil = Hamza Yususfzai
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#3 Posted by jayp on July 21, 2008 3:34:02 am
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#4 Posted by zardari on July 21, 2008 3:41:44 am
We shall find the solution to Karachi in the constitutional package, soon.

@rf786

Why do Sharifs win with heavy mandates in Punjab?

You must not live in Punjab. In Lahore alone, PMLn won 20/21 NA seats. They win because people trust them. Sharifs modernized Punjab with (Airports, Highways, Irrigation, Education, Health, Police) Projects etc, while each time others came in power, they did zero for Punjab(Hint Q).
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#5 Posted by fkureshy on July 21, 2008 3:54:14 am
Mr. Muzammil

With due respect to all ethnicities.......why does only MQM gets blamed for supporting Musharraf and his military regime
when the Chaudry Brothers ditched their party only to followhis orders and be at his mercy. Also i think u are forgetting the generous distribution of sweets andthe air of celebration in the city of lahore ( the Sharif's city) onthe day of the coup. Now suddenly this man is such a big villain coz ur either bored of him or feel insulted that he has ousted a chaudhry ( rightly or worongly is besides the point), as if sthg like this has never happened before in this graet country of ours.

And one more reason NOT to blame MQM is that the last 5 to 8 years is prob the only period, since it the capital was shifted to Isl, in the history of karachi that the city has been given some importance. There has been some dev expenditure and pl have thought about another city apart from the paris os pakistan". And together with the city MQM has also shone and has received its rightly deserved popularity among the people of the city.

and mind you MQM is not opposing The deposed justice just because he is a chaudry. They are just, once again, reminding everyone the principal of treating everyone on an equal basis, two cheif justices and both brought through a PCO....now how different can two PCOs be that while we are willing to accept the results of one but not the other despite being ordered by the very same evil, illegal dictator!
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#6 Posted by fkureshy on July 21, 2008 4:08:29 am
Mr. Zardari here has made my point easier to make....The answer to the question of PML N winning in Punjab is also the answer why MQM has recently been so popular in karachi. but whenver we tlk about MQMs' mandate we always think about rigging and the 'gunda' element in the party which i agree is very much there but in reality is not the SOLE reason for their wins in the city at least this time! and come to think of it who in our country has ever done things the straight way....As if Mr. Sharif has never done anything like that ever in his life.

The sad thing is that our minds have been filled with all this Sindhi Muhajir Punjabi crap that we are unable to see each other as people of the same country and this is why everytime we get a chance to vote we vote beacuse we belong to a certain race or ethnicity not because we are thinking about Pakistan!

Its high time we start respecting all ethnicities and their mandates as well as their values (or watever is left of them) regardless of the size of their population and take the country forward in one single piece!
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#7 Posted by fkureshy on July 21, 2008 4:10:14 am
Mr. Zardari here has made my point easier to make....The answer to the question of PML N winning in Punjab is also the answer why MQM has recently been so popular in karachi. but whenver we tlk about MQMs' mandate we always think about rigging and the 'gunda' element in the party which i agree is very much there but in reality is not the SOLE reason for their wins in the city at least this time! and come to think of it who in our country has ever done things the straight way....As if Mr. Sharif has never done anything like that ever in his life.

The sad thing is that our minds have been filled with all this Sindhi Muhajir Punjabi crap that we are unable to see each other as people of the same country and this is why everytime we get a chance to vote we vote beacuse we belong to a certain race or ethnicity not because we are thinking about Pakistan!

Its high time we start respecting all ethnicities and their mandates as well as their values (or watever is left of them) regardless of the size of their population and take the country forward in one single piece!
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#8 Posted by fkureshy on July 21, 2008 4:10:15 am
Mr. Zardari here has made my point easier to make....The answer to the question of PML N winning in Punjab is also the answer why MQM has recently been so popular in karachi. but whenver we tlk about MQMs' mandate we always think about rigging and the 'gunda' element in the party which i agree is very much there but in reality is not the SOLE reason for their wins in the city at least this time! and come to think of it who in our country has ever done things the straight way....As if Mr. Sharif has never done anything like that ever in his life.

The sad thing is that our minds have been filled with all this Sindhi Muhajir Punjabi crap that we are unable to see each other as people of the same country and this is why everytime we get a chance to vote we vote beacuse we belong to a certain race or ethnicity not because we are thinking about Pakistan!

Its high time we start respecting all ethnicities and their mandates as well as their values (or watever is left of them) regardless of the size of their population and take the country forward in one single piece!
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#9 Posted by zardari on July 21, 2008 4:39:28 am
@fku reshy

MQM has very small share of national and provisional seats, (a party which cannot never form a government in its own province without PPP help) but its always crying and complaining, and playing victimization card. It fails to support national politics, issues, parties, instead it focuses on songs of Great Karachi Victimization, claiming to be only representative of Karachi, intimidating opposition through violence. Its ironic that while it claims its democratic and just, no one may criticize MQM, or truly run against its selected thugs. While its crying about injustice in Pakistan, it supports blood thirsty dictator of Pakistan, where 83% of Pakistanis want this SOB gone, MQM continues its spoiler role. Pakistan is basically two party system, PMLn and PPP, one of these two will always form government. Where does that leave`MQM?

Once Musharraf is gone, MQM will be in very weak political position due to its current national policies, and that day is around the corner.
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#10 Posted by zardari on July 21, 2008 4:43:02 am
@fkureshy

I agree with you 100%, Pakistanis must respect each other and be united.
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#11 Posted by majumdar on July 21, 2008 5:13:10 am
Zardari,

(Where does that leave`MQM?)

The political bases of both PML and PPP seem to have fragmented quite a bit, PML is supprotless in B'stan and Sindh and only small pockets of supports in NWFP, PPP seems to have suffered a setback in the largest province Punjab.

Doubt if either can get a majority on their own, so parties based on ethnic loyalty and commanding even a dozen seats can be very valuable very similar to India incidentally.

Regards
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#12 Posted by Leadenwinter on July 21, 2008 6:20:39 am

The media is a very powerful and effective tool. It has been effectively used by Israel to change the image common Americans have about Jews. By carefully portraying the Holocaust they have monopolised World sympathy in their favour. Compare this to the much larger scale genocide of American Indians and Africans during the slave trade which nobody hears about. So powerful is this persuasion via the media that it makes the world ignore the genocide of Palestinians by once persecuted Jews. The third World should make maximum investment in developing its media to control the media warfare of the West. The West's export of the culture of racism under the false pretence of freedom should be intellectually challenged.
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#13 Posted by Leadenwinter on July 21, 2008 6:26:24 am
We should not pander to the pro-democracy/imperialistic agendas of thelikes of Geo etc
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#14 Posted by satya100 on July 21, 2008 7:09:20 am
"Compare this to the much larger scale genocide of American Indians and Africans during the slave trade which nobody hears about. So powerful is this persuasion via the media that it makes the world ignore the genocide of Palestinians by once persecuted Jews."

Replace American by Hindu in American Indians.

Compare this to the much larger scale genocide of Hindu Indians during the dark period of Islamization of India which nobody hears about. So powerful is this cooption of Islamists with Angloes that persuasion via the media that it makes the world ignore the genocide of Hindu Indians and Hindu BDs in 1971 by the Arabized converts and Arabs.
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#15 Posted by cliftonbridge on July 21, 2008 9:14:51 am
Ahmer you sound just like this guy i know called Hamza :)
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#16 Posted by Sarah-K on July 21, 2008 9:21:12 am
this article is brilliantly written, lots of valid viewpoints, couldn't agree more.

another thing i want to add is how many count the fatalities and damage at the hands of ''islamists'' (btw what are ''islamists'' what a stupid word!) and yet the world's media hasn't acknowledged the terror the pakistani/iraqi/afgani people are facing day in day out.. they too are victims and are vulnerable.

uh.. forget it, it'll never make a difference what we say, we will have to learn to live with barefaced hypocrisy and bullshit.
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