Government Wins Manmohan Singh Loses

I didnot expect to do it twice...but there its called chowk-interface- incontinence (CII) ..... blushing icon here

Re: # 10 uh! are you sure about this? the US in a statement after the vote said, it will try to convince Pakistan not to vote aginst India at the IAEA meeting.

Come on, ekalavya, this one deal has resulted in India losing its voice and is now at the beck and call of pakistan ...it was covert...now it is overt....so what has MMS done....chickens, home, roost etc are words whic come to mind ;)

Re: # 10 uh! are you sure about this? the US in a statement after the vote said, it will try to convince Pakistan not to vote aginst India at the IAEA meeting.

Come on, ekalavya, this one deal has resulted in India losing its voice and is now at the beck and call of pakistan ...it was covert...now it is overt....so what has MMS done....chickens, home, roost etc are words whic come to mind ;)

Dr. Singh performed a feat of highest personal integrity, and unbelievable courage for an Indian politician. Indeed, it's still hard to believe that he single handedly took on and stood up to a gang of malicious and vicious leftist thugs for the greater good of India, knowing full well that they could have destroyed him.

i completely agree with arjun.

hats off to MMS for going ahead with the decision to operationalize the nuke deal. india is growing and is hungry for energy. all sources are welcome.

as far as nuclear testing etc is concerned, once india does business with west, i am sure a lot of things can and will be over looked. money is the best balm for a lot of problems....as our mps proved it!!!!!

The Congress is busy finding issues to divert attention from the economic crisis and inflation, that is looming large over the country. Its largesse to the feminist groups and the loan defaulters is going to haunt the Indian economy.

When the BJP handed power, its slogan was 'India shining'. When the Congress goes to the election, what will it say? It will pray that the issue is about Amarnath yatra, or Ram Setu or nuke deal! Did MMS bribe Advani also to divert from the main issues of the people? Anything could be possible!

The bottom line, is that Sonia Gandhis Prime Minister, has lost the faith of his people, never mind his cutting deals with 'allies' who can now make more and even more money for another year at the least.

The country is governed now, by corrupt ministers, who have a few people like MMS, as their mask, for carrying on their nefarious activities.

The economic mismanagement of the government ( 100000 crores for 1. loan defaulters - so that they dont have to pay back, and 2. the feminists - so that they dont need one ) has resulted in an inflation rate which is threatening to go beyond control already.

The arrogance of the Congress is sky-high, especially in their anti-male laws, which are their USP, is atrocious. The male victims of these laws will no doubt be praying for the ruination of such an insensitive political party.

The opposition is incompetant and banks too much on its own communalism and casteism vote-banks, which is demoralising their own ranks. The nation should rather reform its political process to see more responsibilty and accountabilty from the elected persons. But it should also allow only elected people to represent their voices.

as it imposes a virtual ban on any nuclear weapons testing by India while its adversaries, especially China, face no such restriction.


The only way this would be a ban is if india were giving away it's nuclear weapons...and, as you say in your article, it's not..

so this point is moot...india can test if it wants...the consequences will be no worse than what happened in 98..

hats off to manmohan...the best leader india has had...ever..

Re: # 2
"Maya to gaya"- she has to face CBI...and Amar Singh will oversee the whole investigation.
The nuke deal is kind of opportunity for SP to mint money from Ambanis (Anil and Mukesh)...
BJP central leadership is supposed to be greatest loosers and Advani should wait for shock in next general election.

Win in Karnataka and Gujrat is more of personal effort from Modi and BSY. In other places, BJP won due to infighting in Congress...

Re: # 3
Majumder...
Not exactly...
The group in BJP, who started the negotiation (AVB, Jaswant Singh) were very soft on safeguard issue. RSS wants little more concession from USA and NSG to be at per with China. Some minor changes in Hyde Act would not have created such situation. Due to opposition from CPI(M), Congress have ignored couple of BJP initiatives (Pension reforms...). So, BJP was quite adamant of not helping Congress...

Why MMS will loose for such event?
Most of the BJP defectors were supposed to vote for MMS due to internal problems. Advani is not very powerful now in BJP ( what he was 10 years ago),such that, he can dictate terms. Uma Bharti, Madan lal Khurana etc. episode has proved that very well...BJP was forced into such situation by CPI(M). CPI(M) wanted to dump the Govt. for inflation and other generic issues and moslem vote bank.
People like H T Sangliana were very close to Congress administration and due to NDA wave for Centre, he has used BJP as platform to win election. Manorama Madhwaraj was angry with BJP leaders in K'taka, specialy BSY, for promoting Sobha Karandlaje...Dissent in Gujrat is very high. So, along with Soma Patel, there should have been couple of more BJP MPs,who voted for Congress/UPA.
If Nuke Deal is not important enough for the ruling alliance to sacrifice Govt., it is not such an issue that opposition has to topple Govt. Some day or other, India had to sighn such deal, or it had to wind up DOE. USA is constantly blocking transfer of technology, nuclear fuel from Russia. Russia used entertain us,due to its monopoly over Indian arms market. But, when that has broken, Russia is also not interested to protect India from international (better to say NATO) pressure...
I know CPI(M) etc... from outside they look very principled...talk about american imperialism etc... but when it comes to education, civilian technology etc... they prefer USA over any other country...
BJP, though talk very tough, at ground level is pretty ordinary....
Mayawati, TDP etc... have nothing to gain or loose from the Nuke deal etc. They were just trying fish in troubled water.....

Here is the thing which is missed out in the reams of papers and hours of TV and Tera-bytes on the net:

the Govt had promised, before the vote, that before the actual operationalisation of the treaty and other things, they would come back to seek the vote and approval of the parliament and the nation.

Now after the trust vote, it would be take as a given that they have been given carte-blanche to do all of the above without returning to the parliament.


Apart fromt he churning I mentioned below, this is the other aspect or outcome of the vote. Watch the way this will be spun out in the coming months

Ijaz sahib,

Why did BJP back off though they began the negotiations?

It is the duty of an opposition party to oppose, that is why.

Regards

BHai DM, you are making allegations and repeating canards of bribery, in an otherwise reasonably good article. Where is the proof. The devaluation of democracy is a standard operation in the subcontinent, this is done by chucking around wild allegations.

It is understood that the politicians are a venal lot, and that they can be sweetened. but, Sir, where is the proof I ask when you make this allegation of Rs 25 Crore!

So the 13/15 who cross voted must each have been paid Rs 25 Crore, which equates to some Rs 300 Crore approximately (actually more than this but let us go with the lower figure). For this level, you need proof. You do not have it.

The anti-deal grouping, could not develop their arguments coherently, and unfortunately they are a weird amalgam of ideologically driven groups
(a) BSP
(b) CPI(M)
(c) FB
(d) RPI
(e) CPI
(f) BJP
(g) TDP
(h) JD(S)
etc etc

All of these people, the real big hitters with the intellectual clout i.e the CPI, CPI(M), TDP and the BJP (the rest are basically pissed off parties) could not develop a coherent strategy:

(a) CPI(M) and Co: Ideologically driven opposition was the appearence they gave and could not shed their image of chinese handling, nor did they go beyond their anti-big business rethoric (check http://youtube.com/watch?v=cjEYYDLu7Ac for part I and part II of the speeches given by Bardhan at the Convention on the deal held last year). Failed rethoric is the cause for their failure is large part outside the parliament, and big-boots-syndrome (hubris) inside it.

(b) the BJP: What can one say about these guys? Do you recall the CTBT fiasco? Isnt this better than the CTBT? If it is not, then the BJP failed intellectually to raise to the challenge and deserved to be defeated.

The rest of the rotten vegetables the less said the better.

but the no-trust vote (one called by MMSingh) has resulted in some interesting groupings. The one thing which it did, and note in this context, Advani's 100 day remark, is to churn the parties and trhough up some new allignments. In the coming days, and months and years it will be interesting to see what the new handlers of Mayavati and the BSP do with this new opportunity to enter UP.

Dost,
Why did BJP back off though they began the negotiations?