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Re: # 120

'The west can work with theocratic Saudi and almost communist Venzuela. The rest of the world, not just America, will not work with radical Islam, just as it did not work with Nazis.'

Argument: Comparison of IJ and Natzi ( not 'Nazi') is comparing apple's with Oranges. Natzi were striving to take over whole europe while in Afghanistan IJ claims that they are trying to free their country from Foreigners, just like they did with Russians.

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eklavya bhai #118: why are you treating romair as if he is an utter fool? a nincompoop of gargantuan proportions? why??

bulleya: " the west has, now, climbed so high on the pole of prosperity that they have far too much to lose in this war"

muqarrar!! Shakespeare himself could not have coined such a stratrospheric phrase...a javelin of Olympian heights flung towards the sun by a man of herculean literary strength...the har-fan-maulaa field marshall romair himself!!

Now that Romair has come out with his forcast for defeat of USA, keeping in mind his past record, my money is on USA.

Re: # 111

Kaal:

"...they call radical Islam) has been licked in Iraq, Afghanistan...."

No Kaal that is not my position. Instead I am saying that radical Islam (by that I mean OBL types) would be confined and fought in FATA and Afghanistan border. This will continue until either side wins or looses.

The west can work with theocratic Saudi and almost communist Venzuela. The rest of the world, not just America, will not work with radical Islam, just as it did not work with Nazis.

Eklavya#118:

"The other option is for Americans, and all others, to change their whole approach to the struggle."

Could you please elaborate what this approach should be? And please use uncoded language that everyone can understand.

romair, I agree with you. Europe has already changed (or seems about to). The only option for the US, too, is to align its own goals and interests with the goals and intersts of Islam.

Some would call that as little else than surrender to Islam before Islam/Muslims take over fully. But that is merely an interpretive nicety, and one can choose to call that situation anything one likes.

The other option is for Americans, and all others, to change their whole approach to the struggle. That they cannot do. They will keep thinking that by bombing this place or that, or by making money they will solve all problems.

http://audio.theuniversalwisdom.org/hindu_religion_swami_aksharananda.mp3

Eklayva #: "They will keep doing so until one side is totally destroyed."

yes.....this is where it is headed.....however, i don't think any side will be totally destroyed.....both sides are too big to be totally destroyed......

....the battle is not between islamic countries and the west.....it is between the usa/israel and a certain minority % of people in islamic countries, who are now, radicalized to the point of militarily taking on the usa, against all odds....

.....i am quite convinced that europe and canada and the rest of the west, now, just want to be out of this war.....the us supporting conservative groups tried very hard to get canada into the iraq war, but it did not go....wisely......

....the rest of the west has assessed the situation correctly.....they know it is impossible to fight someone who is willing to kill himself.....

more importantly, the west has, now, climbed so high on the pole of prosperity that they have far too much to lose in this war.....while those involved in radical islam have nothing much to lose (or so it seems).....

the usa is getting stuck deeper and deeper in this, and is slowly, being left alone by all its allies....

....the usa just had a disaster in iraq, fighting against a country, which for the past so many decades to centuries has a history of being defeated in battle.......how in the world is it going to fight in afghanistan - a land which is known for only two things: pomegranates and defeating superpowers......

obama is going to have his hands full if he thinks he can, simply, relocate troops who failed in iraq into a far more difficult terrain and environment of afghanistan (or fata for that matter).....

the problem with american strategists is that they only look at last word in the phrase, "radical islam".....when in fact they should look at the first word, i.e. radical.....these are radicalized individuals due to political reasons, who are using islam as a vehicle to excercise their radicalism.......not the other way around.....

either the usa can defeat this militarily (which it has not been able to do) or it requires a complete rethink of policy (which it is unwilling to do, or cannot do due to the strong control of the pro-israeli lobby on its middle east foreign policy)......

the best thing for any country - including pakistan - to do in this war between radical islam and usa is to stay out of it......the only reason pakistan got radicalized in the first place, was because it became a front-line state in a usa led war in 1979......it should stop making the same mistake again.....

Re: # 104
Anil,
If your point it accepted then Hawks like Munir Akram and Shirin Mazari are Adiue.

"You agitated our sentiments and disturbed us by arresting, imprisoning, and torturing our brothers in the name of SIMI (Students Islamic Movement of India) and the other outfits in Indore, Ujjain, Mumbai, and in other cities of Karnataka.

"We hereby notify you, especially the ATS and the STF and the governments of Madhya Pradesh and Andhra Pradesh, to release them all, lest you become our next targets and victims of our next attack," the email read.

The mail hits out at Maharasthra Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh and Deputy Chief Minister R.R. Patil for his alleged torture of Muslim communities.

"To the Maharashtra government and Vilasrao Deshmukh and R.R. Patil, we announce the deadline to take heed before it is too late. Don't think we are unaware of the SRPF (state reserve police force) attacks on our Masjids and our homes…" the mail said.

India's richest man, Mukesh Ambani, is on top of the hit list of the terrorist outfit.

"We also alert Mukesh Ambani to think twice before usurping and building a citadel on a land in Mumbai that belongs to the Waqf Board, lest it turns into horrifying memories for you which you will never ever forget," Indian Mujahideen warned.

The terrorist group also called upon the Andhra Pradesh government, specifically the Hyderabad police, to "release the imprisoned Muslim youth immediately".

The terrorist outfit termed the serial blasts a revenge for the 2002 Gujarat riots in which over a 1,000 people, especially from the minority community, were killed.

"In the light of the injustice and wrongs on the Muslims of Gujarat, we advance our Jihad and call all our bretheren under it to unite and answer these irresolute kafireen of India," the email said.

Using harsh language, the mail termed Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi a "spineless coward" and called Muslims to fight against Hindu groups like the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS)

Referring to the Gujjar agitation, the mail said: "If a petty population of Rajasthani Gujjars can use force for fulfilling their needs, then are we even more subjugated than these backwards?"

India has once again been attacked. This time the target was Bengaluru and Ahmedabad. The ease with which these attacks are being conducted only gives rise to one question -- Is terrorism becoming as common as a case of theft?

Looking at the numerous incidents of terror across the country, one could come to the conclusion that it's slowly becoming a part of our life.

Political parties have been using terrorism as a weapon to get back at opponents. While the mudslinging continues, fact remains that almost all incidents of terror, which have taken place across the country in the last year, remain unsolved.

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The Shahid Bilal Angle
The HuJI operative has figured in at least 5 of the 8 cases. Cops in all the terror-hit states feel that Bilal -- who originally hails from Hyderabad -- will be the key person to divulge correct details regarding all these attacks.

However, while Pakistan claims he is dead, Indian intelligence says this is not true. Now, the Hyderabad police commissioner has confirmed that the HujI operative is dead. The officer is, however, basing his statements on the information received by the family. For the record -- the family has been maintaining since the past five months that Bilal was dead. The fact remains Bilal's name seems to crop up only when an act of terror is committed in this country.

Re: # 111 Aik Love Ya
"They will keep doing so until one side is totally destroyed. I don't see it will be Islam."

Yaar, taray muNh maiN ghee shakkar, yaar!

romair # 109, a good post.

But in a real sense, both sides are wasting their time on such discussions. Non-Muslims, all, including anil ji, are convinced that Islam (what they call radical Islam) has been licked in Iraq, Afghanistan, and is on its way to being tamed in Europe.

Nothing that each side can say to other will change minds. They will keep playing completely different games, fighting totally different wars, in completely different ways. The West is using tanks and bombs against armies and 'extremists' and pushing 'individualism' and its own idea of 'democracy.'

They will keep doing so until one side is totally destroyed.

I don't see it will be Islam.

Re: # 109 Bull-Eye

A good primer for those who pretend they don't know! If only the Amrikans could fill in the blanks you left.

For now, they're headed the way of the Roman empire: bleeding slowly but surely.