Government Wins Manmohan Singh Loses

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#92 Posted by ahmedmadani on July 22, 2008 4:58:57 pm
Re: # 89 Mr. Shah please do not get fooled by Indians.
Not indian love for land, then recent events do not match that thing.
oday India lost freedom and accepted USA as master or lord of India. East India compaNY IS NOW AMERIOCAN COMPANY.Indian elect leaders voted by majority to give freedom away and become slave of america. Now america will be micromanaging indian atomic activity. The usa govt knew no live pakistani leader including Mily ruler can dare to do that type of deal which will allow american access to bomb secrets and Dr. Khan. So wisely they never tried to apply such "remidy" on pakistan and try to destroy family jewels and national assets. Mr. Gandhi if present would have died due to sad feeling.
America tried that medicine but in muslim countries it does not work.This strange compared to Inda. Pakuistan govt is vassal state of usa true BUT. But they new that to impose condition on like india will lead to war. They nknew they will have to invade pakistan like iraq and A.Stan still people will not allow usa to control nukes. That is contrast between india and PK. Indians actively anf freely became slaves of usa, while pakistan is vassal state still they are afraid of Pakistani awam as they know if they touch nuclear material things will explode.
Also no point in worshipping rives and animals and mountains. Most of world knows India as buch of Hindus worshipping animals and feeding grains to rats. Let us not loose sense due to their strange habits like feasing on veggies and strange breathing and moving part of body ( yoga stuff) but being exotic does not mean good.

Harimau sahib

Re: 32

Well said. One correction, though Mugabe is the Prez of Zimbabwe, not Zambia.

Regards

Re: # 57
Arjun:

I can answer your questions.

1. No India could not have gone on another round of tests without serious consequences on the economy. That is why I could not understand BJPs opportunistic stand, and CPM's ideological stand on "independence" someone said it the deal was China they would jumped up.

2. Iran does not play much role in India, but it is going to be a Middle Power, the U.S. and others will have to back down and accept it, as long as it accepts to co-exists Israel. Iran is needed to divide Oil between Shia and Sunni oils to have competition. IPI pipeline is the only issue, I do not know the details, I am certain, Indian bania must have done their risk reward analysis, and how to get capital investment protected and pay back. For a would be trillion dollar economy (in the life time of IPI pipeline) a couple of billion dollars investment in the present money can make sense.

#36 Posted by pmishra2 on July 24, 2008 9:04:48 am


You would think that before this vote indian democracy was completely free of corruption or vote buying !


You nailed it...and to hear the kuldip nayyars tell it, you'd think India's relationship with Iran was the most important relationship in India's history EVER...or that india could have just tested a whole bunch of nukes if it hadn't signed this deal...

#30 Posted by dost_mittar on July 24, 2008 7:51:52 am


it will have to decide how to vote on the Iran issue.


Two questions....

1. What if the deal hadn't been signed...do you think it would have been easier for india to go for another round of tests?

2. Why is it a big deal if India throws Iran under the bus or sits on the fence? what great strategic interest does India have with Iran...and is this interest bigger that it's relationship with the US...

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#22 Posted by dost_mittar on July 24, 2008 7:09:54 am

Like I said, this deal is only important until india can get the U-Pu-Thorium cycle going...once that's done, it'll have enough power from it's thorium plants while having saved it's indigenous supplies of uranium for bombs...

to hear pakis tell it, the deal means slavery for india...if so, why are they begging for a deal even after being repeatedly turned down....?

Pakistan desire similar nuclear deal with US; Qureshi PDF Print E-mail

LONDON, July 24 (APP)-Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has said his country desire a similar nuclear deal with US as it has done with India. Responding to questions at the conclusion of his keynote address at the British Security think tank-International Institute for Strategic Studies- on Thursday afternoon, the Foreign Minister said Indo-US nuclear agreement must not be discriminatory in nature.

“Pakistan should be eligible for the same facility,” he said citing country’s growing energy requirements and needs.

pmishra#52:

You are right, both about the situation and the source of my sadness.

Manmohan got the job done - he understood this was an opportunity - worked with Sonia mai to force a showdown - Advani ended up sounding like a idiot (which he is) - Prakash Karat like a blow-hard graduate student (which he is).

Maybe you are upset that Prof Manmohan has become neta Manmohan...

Re: # 42

Dost sahib:
I still cannot see Manmohan Singh as failing. His venture into taking on "Indian" politicians without stooping to their level is remarkable lesson of "Niti" that he showed. Amar Singh & Company did the dirty work, not him. Besides, the reality is this how the votes are exchanged in legislative houses all over the world. You cannot tell me that Canadian parliament no horse trading has ever been made to get votes. This is true in the U.S. house and senate (favors are called pork-barrel), in British parliament scratching each others back happens every so often.

Bottom line is CPM showed their colors. I think they will contiue to win in WB, because the election machine they have there. BJP's opportunism became open for all to see. I hope BJP retires Advani before the election and bring some fresh blood.

dehliwala#48:

I am not a socialist and never was; somehow escaped it even while studying at DSE. Even in those days, I liked Rajgopalachari and his Swatantra Party, which was unfortunately patronised by only a few industrialists and feudals.

I still admire Manmohan Singh's courage. But I do feel sad that even a man of his character could not avoid the "chheentay" of the "keechad" of Indian politics.

GT#47:

Yes, we do and no hard feelings. I regard democracy as merely a form of governance which has to prove itself with superior results;it may be suitable under some circumstances and not so in other circumstances. I would prefer the limited democracy of today's China where freedom of some people in my position is traded off for the greater good of the common man and woman.

Dear DM sahib:
It is very easy to criticize anyone from outside.
There is no such thing as clean politician in the World.

Other side of the spectrum is that he has proven and beaten all the master stratgcians of the world by not only surviving 5 years in Power but also acheiving his promise and goal of treaty.

It has raised his stature in my eyes. My father used to work under Manmohan Singh Jee's organization and he had a reputation of drving in his tootee-footee Maruti Car himself when everyone else was using official cars.

Maaf Karna.....Sir lekin People of your generation who grew up in Indira raj and have socialist inclination(including my own dad) have this concept of "clean image politican", "selfless image" etc.
They dont mean a JACK. Who is clean in this world?
did MMS made this clean image himself or did people like you started calling him that way....did he advertise himself as that...NO....

He was labeled by Advani as the honest, but weak and Nikaama PM who does not understand Politics. Now he has proven otherise.


Appki Nazro mai koi aisay shaksh hai jo clean politican ho?

D_M,

It is nice to know that we agree to disagree on fundamentals. Have a very good day Sir.

Regards.

GT#44, 45:

I agree that we do not share the same ethical framework.

It has nothing to do with "shoodra", etc. It is the system we have created and that some people do not find anything wrong with.

As for Mushy, he was okay until he felt the need for proving his democratic credentials and held a referendum to prove his legitimacy and held "rigged elections". From then on, it was a steady downfall for him.