Aafia Siddiqui to Appear in Court

It is raining quite heavily outside and my internet connection is dying, therefore I must seek your pardon and leave for a while.

TNI Masadi

p.s. Okhla sahib I appreciate you mentioning me or referring to me in every post you make. I know I am in your thoughts always...

#180 Rf sahib,

I gathered that you were trying to absolve Musharraf and the Pakistan Army in the Aafia case by referring to certain high profile cases where people were similarly handed over. If my conclusion didn't get to the deep recesses of your heart, I apologize, but I can only base my conclusion on the words you pen....

Have a good day now,

TNI Masadi

Arjun Sahib, you obsession with Romair sahib (aka bulleya) is quite unhealthy. He is still learning like most in the Pakistan Army, who keep learning even after they are retired. Believing that the US will incorporate us way up in the friends chain and never let us down only is part of the psyche of the Pakistan Army who even though they have been used bought and abused multiple times still have "faith" that the next time the US will be impressed by their service and will incorporate them way up in its chain of enslaved nations. Don't blame him, its his training in the US occupation force that keeps him thinking these "happy thoughts".

You take it easy and don't blow a fuse,

TNI-Masadi

Re: # 177

Masadi Sahib

"..rf defend here being handed over by the Pakistanis without any evidence"

Qibla, that is so not true.

Please refer to posts number 12, 68, 70 and 73. They are self-explanatory.

#176, TNI= The New & Improved

Re: # 161

tahmed32

"to respond respectfully to rf786 despite his provocative use of abusive language"

Provocative I can understand considering your shallow personality and bloated ego but abusive language? Where did that come from, nay Sir that is slander and I demand an explanation.

HP writes "Fk this TNI stuff here, there are just too much conspiracy yarn out there to fill a bobbin."

Hp sahib, how goes?

Please refrain from such language, it is unbecomming of you and unacceptible on Chowk. Conspiracy or not, the breach is that the woman was held illegally for 5 years while Okhla and rf defend here being handed over by the Pakistanis without any evidence. Okhla brings forth a list of flimsy charges with no evidence that those were even shared with the Pakistani authorities. Further just because her "membership" with JI is proven as you claim does not mean that party affiliation should form a basis of persecution without supporting evidence. The US was criticized earlier for sending its detainees to third countries to circumvent its own laws, trying someone in a secret Afghan Kangaroo court is no justice. I think you should try to look past your anti-Islam blinders that cloud your judgment.

Have a nice day,

TNI Masadi

masadi saab, what is TNI? is it some variation of TNT?

te tuanu hoyea ki ay, har kisay nu saab saab keh rehey O?:)

#173 Posted by Urstruly
“In the past couple of weeks the chamcha class tried to please Us by attempting to put ISI under home ministry (have they smoked toke?) and now the Afia case has been deliberately brought up to force ISI by domestic pressure to do what it hasn't been doing.�

Now I think you are smoking something. The chain reaction that started by the NY Times article about the ISI was just to use the ISI name. The whole article and the hue and cry afterwards were all about the Pak army.

But the ISI is now entering the folklore of the spy agencies of the world.

Let me be a little sarcastic here. There are so many rogue elements in the ISI now that one wonders how that organization can even do anything right.

Here is a list of identified ISI rogue elements:

1. The ISI elements that have for the last ten years ensured that every single bomb blast in India has proper ISI stamp on it. The ISI masterminded every single cycle bomb in India. They even buy the right bicycles with special carriers for the bombs.

2. The ISI elements that train and manage the mujs for the Kashmir Jihad-India has all the proof.

3. The ISI elements that run the training camps for the Kashmir fighters and the poor India has to use 700,000 strong regular and semi-military to just control those finely and admirably trained few thousands that have the Indian army busy for the last 10 or more years.

4. The ISI elements that managed the afghan war and then managed the Taliban.

5. The rogue elements in the ISI that are still managing the Taliban and that makes Bush so unhappy that he asks the dumb PM of Pakistan to control the ISI.

6. The rogue elements in the ISI that are so out of control that they have the US, NATO and the afghan army at the end of their patience and wits in Afghanistan and FATA.

7. The ISI that has a political wing in Pakistan that manages the politics in Pakistan since 1954.

8. The ISI has a special “JI pick up� squad which kidnaps the Alqaeeda/JI operatives from all over Pakistan and hands them over to the Americans for millions of bucks each.

9. If that was not enough, the ISI has operatives that plant bombs in Kabul, Delhi, Bombay, Bangalore, Ahmadabad and Benaras. They also sent Suicide bombers to Indian embassy in Kabul.

If your sarcasm meter is not sufficiently high yet, then let me tell you some more about the ISI.

1. The US provides all the money, equipment and training to the ISI officers but has no idea about the rogue elements that have managed to outwit such luminous intelligence agencies like the CIA, RAW, KHAD or RAM, the DIA, the NSA and the Iranian agency, the Russian agencies and all agencies from China.

2. The slavish Pak army is doing whatever it can to meet the US desire to keep Mush as the President of Pakistan but would not fire rogue elements that have denied the US victory in Afghanistan.

3. The COAS of the Pak army is so subservient to the US that he changes the whole government policy over a phone call but he can’t fire a few rogue ISI officers.

4. Recall that the US and the Indian media has been talking about the rogue ISI elements for the last several years but have no power to force the Pak army COAS (mush and Kiyani both) in the last 8 years.

5. The whole Pak army is run on the US money but the poor US has no influence over the Pak army. In fact, the US President is so baybus and Majboor that he has to ask the powerful Pakistani PM Gilani to fire some ISI guys.

6. The premier US intelligence agency CIA with many accomplishments including the Indonesian coup, the Chilean coup and the Iranian coup in 1953 just to name a few has been rendered so helpless by the rogue elements in the ISI that it has to brief two petty Journalists to write a complaint in the New York Times, the premier newspaper of the US.


Is this ISI some intelligence agency or the ONLY super Power of the world that no one can do any thing to it?

Besides that the ISI was possibly also behind the 9-11 and the Anthrax attacks in 2001.

This is so unfortunate that a US scientist had to commit suicide because his link to the ISI was finally discovered by the FBI.

The FBI did a great job and just took it 7 short years to figure out only one person had the access to anthrax and he worked just around the corner in Maryland and obviously his links to the ISI would be all over the media in just days!(btw, Bruce Ivins was a Muslim and Pakistani too!)

#134 by zeemax

Cockroaches must be crushed under boots, not argued with. Don't you have a can of Baygon?

That's what the US is doing to Pakistan. My only worry is that with the bad cockroaches, some good ones are also going to get crushed :-(

Re: # 168 HP

I think the crusader brainiacs deliberately used this opportunity of DR. Afias case to put more pressure on ISI. In the past couple of weeks the chamcha class tried to please Us by attempting to put ISI under home ministry (have they smoked toke?) and now the Afia case has been deliberately brought up to force ISI by domestic pressure to do what it hasn't been doing. I don't think Americans and other crusaders want ISI to be dismantled or controled, because it is the number one tool they have to oppress people of Pakistan; they only want ISI to show "efficiency".

Aafia may or may not be guilty of attacking her captors with a gun but mounting evidence against her over the years does not really provide exonerating circumstances. The following facts may kindly be considered :

1. Aafia was an excellent student who studied at MIT and got a PhD from Brandeis University.

2. Newsweek has reported that in 2001, her Fleet Bank account was regularly recieving money from the Saudi channel and payments were being made to "under FBI investigation" organisations like Benevolence international and Al Kifah refugee centre.

3. Till August 2001 she stayed in a flat(#2008) in a particular building in Boston. ANother Fleet Bank Customer, a Saudi, who was investigated by FBI had also given his address as #2008 in the same building during the same period.

4. Subsequent to the Fleet Bank investigation, Aafia Siddiqui was found to be purchasing high-tech military equipment, items that seemed unusual for her occupation as a microbiologist. According to Newsweek, FBI documents also stated that Khan, Siddiqui’s husband, had purchased body armor, night-vision goggles and a variety of military manuals that were supposed to be sent to Pakistan. Fleet National Bank accounts associated with the couple also showed "major purchases" from U.S. airlines and hotels in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and North Carolina as well as an $8,000 international wire transfer on December 21, 2001, to Habib Bank, a big Pakistani financial institution that has long been scrutinized by U.S. intelligence officials monitoring terrorist money flows.

5. Newsweek reported that Fleet National Bank investigators discovered that one account used by the Boston-area couple showed repeated debit-card purchases from stores that "specialize in high-tech military equipment and apparel", including Black Hawk Industries in Chesapeake, Virginia, and Brigade Quartermasters in Georgia. (Black Hawk's website advertises grips, mounts and parts for AK-47s and other military-assault rifles as well as highly specialized combat clothing, including vests designed for bomb disposal.)

The Fleet National Bank reports detailing all the transactions were filed with the U.S. Treasury Department, and suggest that Siddiqui and her estranged husband, Dr. Mohammed Amjad Khan, may have been active terror plotters inside the country until as late as the summer of 2002.

6. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence asserts that Siddiqui has ties to Guantanamo captive Ammar al-Baluchi. In 2002, 'Ammar directed Aafia Siddiqui--a US-educated neuroscientist and al-Qa'ida facilitator--to travel to the United States to prepare paperwork to ease Majid Khan's deployment to the United Staes. 'Ammar married Siddiqui shortly before his detention.

7. On March 1, 2003, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, one of the original 22 FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, was captured in Pakistan. Siddiqui may have drawn the FBI's attention when she was named by the captured senior al-Qaida operative, as CNN reported on April 3, 2003. According to Newsweek, FBI Agents also found evidence that she had rented a post-office box to help another Baltimore, Maryland-based individual alleged to have been an al-Qaeda contact who had been assigned by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed to blow up underground gasoline-storage tanks.

8. At that time, the Boston Herald also reported her being linked to alleged terrorist Adnan El Shukrijumah, "whose name surfaced among the belongings of" Mohammed. In any case, she attracted international attention at that time as the first woman to be sought by the FBI in connection with its pursuit of al-Qaeda.

On March 29, 2003 United Press International reported that the FBI purportedly believed Siddiqui may be a "fixer" for al-Qaeda, moving money to support terrorist operations.

9. On May 26, 2004, United States Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller announced that reports indicated that al Qaeda planned to attempt an attack on the United States that summer or fall. In addition, Director Mueller named Aafia Siddiqui as "an al Qaeda operative and facilitator", and as one of seven al-Qaeda associates who were being sought in connection with the possible terrorist threats in the United States, though they did not have any reason at that time to believe that the seven were working in concert. Ashcroft went on to say of the seven that they all posed "a clear and present danger to America, and should all be considered armed and dangerous." The other alleged terrorists named on that date were Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Amer El-Maati, Adam Yahiye Gadahn, Abderraouf Jdey, and Adnan G. El Shukrijumah. The first two had been listed as FBI Most Wanted Terrorists since 2001, indicted for their roles in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings. Jdey was already on the FBI's "Seeking Information" wanted list since January 17, 2002, to which Siddiqui and the other three were added as well.


Anybody would agree that the above are all circumstantial and do not establish guilt. The case is also too flimsy to withstand any serious legal scrutiny until and unless stronger evidence is placed on record.

However, there is sufficient reason for the Pakistan government to have handed her over for questioning and investigation (not rape & torture) to a civilized country.

And let us remember that yesterday, a US judge refused bail to Aafia after a lengthy preliminary hearing.

PS : Hearty Salutations to the much restrained, TNI,...

Some humor..


#425 Posted by Romair on October 24, 2005 10:53:22 am
Soysauce #417: ``Romair, would you revisit your prediction that t-shirt with pak flags would be popular in the US?``

Most definitely.....As I said, I am ready to revisit anything......Of all the comments I have made on Chowk, I would rank this one as one of the most far-sighted. And accurate.

My prediction was that, the relations between USA and Pakistan would go through a sea-change. T-shirts, with a Pakistani flag on them, being a symbol of rising popularity of Pakistan in the USA. Much like Ghalib uses symbols in his poetry to make a point.......

And that is exactly what happened. Pakistani and USA relations have exponentially improved, since then. Pakistan is now one of the closest allies with the USA. While before then, Pakistan was one of the most sanctioned countries by the USA. Pakistan is now a non-NATO ally.

Bill Clinton refused to meet Musharraf before then. Now the President of Pakistan is one of the most sought after individuals in the USA. He is the only South Asian leader who was invited to Camp David. He was ranked as the 21st most influential leaders in the world. Even the Ambassador of Pakistan to the USA was ranked amongst the top 70.


The relations between the USA and Pakistan, and the popularity of Pakistan in the USA is the highest it has been in many decades. It will never be as popular as UK and Israel. But it is still a sea-change. So what I stated proved correct, even beyond my own wildest imagination............

The amount of interest in Pakistan, from the USA, has gone up manifold. If you don`t believe me, then just read the President of USA`s own remarks, which he delivers so many times......the average Pakistani`s importance is far higher for USA, then ever before......

``US President George W. Bush rewarded Pakistan with ``major non-NATO ally`` status,....
``I hereby designate the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as a major non-NATO ally of the United States``

The above is from the leader of the USA`s mouth......So you shoudl believe it.....

HP: On the question of why she was not tried in an Afghan court - I assume this has to do with the Bush Administration treatment of Afia S as an "enemy combatant" in US custody, rather than a ordinary crime suspect. This then begs the question - why is she being tried in a US civil court rather than a military court (like Hamdam, Ben Laden's driver)? And the answer would seem to be her citizenship status - per the US Supreme Court rulings to this affect.

I could be wrong of course. but will try to ask this question from a lawyer next time I see one.

Masadi sahib:

I know this is not the board, and we would not discuss it here. However, you might like to review the following "I AM THE MEDIA".

http://www.slideshare.net/alainthys/i-am-the-media?from=email&am p;am p;type=share_slideshow&subtype=slideshow

The first question that should be asked is: why her presence in Afghanistan and then in the US is disclosed now? The Beg guy wrote the book in 2005. That Ridley woman shows up in Afghanistan in June this year holds a press conference in July and within weeks Aafia is in a court in NY after the US found her enjoying a stroll in Afghanistan.

There are so many things that don't make sense here to connect the dots. That Ridley woman is a Taliban supporter but she roams around in Afghanistan freely. The US has no problem with that. Then the Pak government allows her to hold a press conference knowing full well that the fingers would be pointed at the Pak agencies especially the ISI first.

Fk this TNI stuff here, there are just too much conspiracy yarn out there to fill a bobbin.

I have many times said that the JI is the other name of Alqaeeda and Aafia's connection with the JI is not a secret anymore.

Why the US is trying to make her a hero by producing her in NY with the most stupid charges you would ever hear? Why she was not produced in Afghanistan? The media attention in NY would make her a celebrity in the Muslim world.