What Talibanization?

Hi Nadeem, where have you gone? I don't see any new articles, though I came to 'chandi chowk' once again, strangely its the place Ghalib was born (really, unless its a poetic flight of non-objective fancy) - howz Karachi? tum log sub kaise ho

I directed a short play based on this article of yours, interestingly, I felt it went real good. Lorenzo played you! haha! I've been laughing ever since. In the actual scene (wouldn't you die to be there! no?) well I was the only person who thought the scenes were funny - which really they were, but to others it appealed in a more serious fashion, you, (I mean the Actor playing you) was just SO ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha!!!!(Im wondering if you were a bat in some previous life)

Foreign elements are involved in the acts of recent terrorism and suicide attacks in the country and were actively supported by corrupt ruling mafia backed by imperialist neo-cons. Indian spies and Intelligence agencies are also exploiting the situation in the garb of Taliban, and damaging the country on behalf of Israel/US/India nexus. Real and genuine Taliban feel grief and sorrow over the death of common Muslims. Generally speaking, there are three types of Taliban in Federally Administrative Tribal Areas.
First type of Taliban are those resisting US imperialist agendas and want to expel US from Afghanistan. These Taliban though do not have any agenda about Pakistan. The second type, are the local Taliban, they want to implement Islamic system and Shariah in their own areas. These elements are active in one form or other form in Tribal area especially Swat before 9/11 and even before Soviet Afghan War. Swat was a small independent state which opted for Pakistan, at the time of partition, on guarantee of independent state from Mr. Jinnah. The state was governed by Shariah law. Swat state laws and governance was a natural, efficient and effective law which suited local tradition and Pathan culture. Justice was quick, simple and cheap. The British justice system practiced in Pakistan is based colonial state structure. It has long and unending proceedings, spread over years and even then there is no guarantee that the justice would be provided to the victim, due to culture of false witnesses, clever/fake lawyers and obliging judges. The Pashtuns were basically nomads and during 18th they started living in small villages. If someone from their family is offended by someone and they do not have remedy for that injustice, the family remains under social pressure/stress and feel a great shame. Under the British system, they see the oppressor and his relatives everywhere in the village and feel ashamed for not having natural remedy.
Normally it is considered that Taliban are remnants of Soviet Afghan Mujahadeen. However Shariah demand and Taliban movement date back to Bhutto regime in seventies when Swat state was annexed to Pakistan contrary to Jinnah commitment to Wal-e-Swat. Prior to that, Swat state was very developed till 70s and had very efficient and effective local administration, Qazi courts and Police System under patronage of Wali-e-Swat based on local tradition and mostly Shariah laws. Earlier Qazi Courts, local administration and police was replaced by existing corrupt Pakistani Police, inefficient/ineffective civil bureaucracy (DCs/ACs) and normal court system, which are colonial legacies and skewed state structure designed for colonial brute regimes. Their movement was hijacked/exploited by Zia-ul-Haq on his false promises of Shariah based Government for his eleven year draconian rule on US backing. Similarly many other uprising for change (namely labor and student movement) against colonial state structure and establishment were crushed and exploited by the agents of status-qou and colonial remnants in Pakistan ruling establishment.
The third group of Taliban are those who formed an organized group to achieve their vested criminal interests mainly drug trade on backing of local totalitarian ruling elite, various foreign Intelligence agencies and imperialist neo-cons. Their objectives are loot/plunder masses for their own kitty, while at the same time they will defame/malign and make controversial the cause/name of Taliban who are resisting imperialist neo-cons in Afghanistan and colonial remnants in Pakistan. They use various tools of terror, violence and disinformation. These elements have nothing to do with Islam or Taliban and they are simply using the name of Taliban. US and India trained them in Khurasan and Hirat provinces of Afghanistan. These trained elements were injected into tribal areas of Pakistan in order to spread chaos and crisis. Chaos and crisis is one of the reason due to which President Musharraf justified his clinging to Power. These foreign elements in the garb of Taliban are involved in the acts of terrorism in different cities of Pakistan like Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi. Their violence and chaos justifies excessive use of fire power by state agencies for various incidents like Red mosque, Nov-03 and May-12. Their acts of violence also hijack various peace initiates, therefore whenever there will be a peace talks, either US will directly attack or some suicide bomber will hit inside Pakistan on the name of Taliban or Pakistani Ambassador issue will pop out.
Generally speaking real Taliban are crude and have various short coming, however misdoings of Taliban have been blown out of proportion by imperialist western backed media. But over all they were much better than present day US/West Puppets in Afghanistan and similar other prostitute states/governments ruled by puppets of the West/US. Taliban were from the people and they were answerable to people. Their roots were in the people of that area, therefore there could stand up against alone super power of world, whereas Pakistan being a nuclear state has been subjugated by US for last eight years. Their police system, justice, law/order systems were simple, straight forward and it was delivering to the common. It is very ironic that media and academics become so much idealistic when they deal with Taliban? Like any other system Taliban also had short comings. However normal Pakistan Police, courts and law order system is totally corrupt, highly inefficient and ineffective. Media and academic will tolerate 1001 errors in present skewed setups based on colonial draconian legacy and justify present setup full of corruption by corruption for corruption. Present setup is 90 % corrupt name any institution, any walk of life.
Just like present setup Taliban had some shortcoming and they can rectify that if they are guided and given time. Taliban are much better if compared with present corrupt Police, Bureaucrats, Executives and Courts of Pakistan. Yes at some points Taliban were wrong and they need to be rectified and criticized. After past 50 years one has to admit that present colonial state structure is incapable of rectification. We can tolerate/justify 50 years wrong doings of one system but can’t tolerate indigenous effort for nation building due to their stupidity.

Skirmish of Wazir/Mehsud/Burki Tribes against British Army in enlightened and civilized colonial era Tribes were mostly led by Faqir Appi, who was Wazir. Syeds (Mullahs) in Wana were instrumental for wheeling/dealing and keeping Wazirs, Mehsudes, and Burkis united, intact and motivated against British. An ordinary Pathans has to consider himself the best therefore he would not allow anyone else to lead him even if he is Pathan. Though Pathan does not have Piri/Murdi or Feudalisms like rest of Indo-Pak particularly Sindh/Punjab because they were never Part/Parcel of enlightened and civilized British Royal India. Nonetheless they respect/regard only Syeds after themselves in the whole universe.
Few clans from Syeds, Wazir, Burkis and Mehsud, being weak hearted could not face the heat, so therefore quietly came down and opted for enjoying the peace and cool life in adjoining area of Bannu, DI Khan, Lucky Marvat and Mianwali. These fleeing clans were welcomed by British. Presently mostly from these fleeing clans are well settled and have average education and some power in Pakistan. Those in hill always look down and still taunt their cousins for their forefathers rent seeking behavior. As a return those fleeing clans of Wazir, Mehsud and Syeds like rest of Pakistanis (especially Husain Haqani) consider those in hills backward, evil, uncultured, uncivilized, terrorist and considers themselves enlighten, modern and forward looking.
Those freedom living tribes are still bearing US/Western Defacto-Colonialism with help of local Establishment. These tribes does not understand that resistance against might, struggle for truth is obsolete as it does not pay any more in this land of pure cartels. By the way, what good Faqir Eppi did by fighting against our colonial masters if compared with collaborators and middle men who still rule and control our fate, I mean Establishment. Generally it is considered that it is feudal class who collaborated with Colonials for exploitation/deprivation and they are main beneficiaries of that era till today. There is true to some extent, however it is a smoke screen to cover various other cartels, mafias and other brute forms of feudalism. Feudalism is rampant in every walk of life of Pakistan. Do not you think a DCO till recently lived/acted like a royal feudal? What about SP, he seems to be Generation Next Feudal. Big dirty fishes of Pakistan i.e. 50-60 Business mafias/cartels controlling II Chundrigar Road and Mall Roads (mostly beneficiaries/ blue eyed of East India Company) are also feudal in nature. As a simple example just Google the reason for vast fortune of Agha Khan. So called poor class political parties like MQM also rely on feudal violent tools for exploitation and deprivation. Do not you think well-heeled acolytes university professors are not feudals. Go and see their dirty politics and leg pulling which they do for petty gains. I have never been impressed by Deeni Madrasha/Mullah but what about clerk cloning Macaulay’s plants (Western Universities/College) in name of education, enlightenment and progress. I leave rest all such white collars feudal to your imagination in every sphere of life.
Most of the tribal clans coming down to settled area were naïve and not smart, and intelligent like Saifullah Family fore fathers. Saifullah father Faizullah was shepherd, however he sided with Colonial Royal Army against Waziri/Mehsud/Burki tribes in Wana/Meran Shah. Saifullah Marvat and his father was first Muslim League in Lucky Marvat area since 1930s. Aslam Khatak (Brrother in-law of Saifullah) was also among first Muslim League in adjacent Karak District since 1930. He along with Chaudery Rahmat Ali while in Cambridge on British Royal Scholarship. They coined the name of Pakistan. Aslam Khatak and his family main services for British Royal Army were against Ajab Khan Afridi (Dara Adam Khel). Gen Ali Quli Khan (Musharaf competitor for CAS back in 1997) is nephew of Aslam Khatak and one of his brother in law was Governor. Saifullah family share a vast fortune of more than 25 concerns like Lucky Cement, Mob link, General Tires, Nissan Ghandraha etc. It is such irony that most of the Army/Air Force units which are fighting now in Meran Shah, Wana and other tribal areas have also fought with same tribes/clans till 1947. Another big irony India is fighting in held Kashmir for last 30 years and how many times they have used Jet Fighters for bombing Kashmiris. Azad Kashmir held today by Pakistan was not liberated by Pak Army and Air force rather liberated by same clans/tribes who are sometimes labeled as Taliban, uncivilized, dirty Naswar eating Pathans, and according to Nadeem Paracha (The Dawn Writer/Aaj TV anchor) a pseudo-intellectual think that in north/tribal area no woman live and only men/goats live.
Some time I feel crippled when I think about my Identity. When I am unable to read my mother language and unable to related to my profound history which has been made irrelevant and meager. I can hear this history in local songs and it is off course trouble some for local establishment (various economic/political/feudal/bureaucratic cartels controlling II Chundrigar Road, Mall Roads and Constitution avenue) but also international establishment (Jews/Zionist/US/UK). Though we will not find any consensus on the definition/causes of terrorism but there is 101 % agreement on ethnic cleansing of all those who in one way or other resisted colonial five/six decades ago or still think of resisting neo-colonialism or their imposed local cartels of business/politics/bureaucracy/identity. In Pakistan, in every walk of life those people are in control, whose forefathers in one or other way helped British or East India Compnay. Rest all are masses, they does not count anywhere. While for last fifty we are crushing those people who were/are against local and international establishment or show any such inclinations.
In defacto-colonial society like Pakistan most of roles are supposed to be clerk type, which are boring, insignificant and monotonous. These roles/opportunities are never impressive. With passage of time procedures policies and work practices have become obsolete, are against simple rational and mostly based on mistrust, difficult to extent where pity/ordinary jobs are accomplished with huge wastage of time, money, manpower and resources. The biggest motivation in life is work and trust, however most of the time, our productive work pace is dead slow and unrealistic. Pakistan was supposed to continue inherited colonial state structure. Therefore middle/lower classes in general and poor most in particular are exploited and deprived at multiple levels on pretext of various merits, standards, ethics and unseen Berlin walls erected by our colonial masters. Our pre-1947 pseudo freedom fighters and so called god fathers did not have vision, capacity or planning for these issues. Muslim league was Sarkari League from the first day of its origin. The main objective was to create faithfulness among Indopak Muslim for British Royal Establishment. Similarly ANP and Congress at that time were preaching non-violence meaning that you do not fight against British Raaj. We were/are victim of the LAW OF NECESSITY even before our birth. This so called politics/democracy/voting is for fooling the Masses. It does not implies that Gen Mush, Zia, Ayub are better than Zardari, Nawaz, BB and other stuff. They all are pawns among thousands pawns controlling whole Muslim world for the their Western Masters.
Unquestioned and unconditioned subordination is expected in every walk of life Due to same colonial traditions. While all corrupts (various economic/political/feudal/bureaucratic cartels controlling II Chundrigar Road, Mall Roads Lhr/R-Pindi/Pesh/Queta and Constitution Avenue) will enjoy, control and set the rules of games. They will exploit masses in name of democracy, identity, merit, logic and history. Crippled honest masses will be expected to be a tiger, who will able to bear rotten system for whole life, dodge the corrupts and avoid all temptation against all natural forces. The only way to survive is absolute conformist behavior, and any deviation/difference on any issue/crisis/identity is not tolerated. Most of our state rules/laws/ traditions/norms are decades old and date back to colonial era therefore mostly irrelevant and inapplicable. As a result middle and lower classes in general and poor most in particular are manipulated according to corrupts (various economic/political/feudal/bureaucratic cartels controlling II Chundrigar Road, Mall Roads Lhr/R-Pindi/Pesh/ Queta and Constitution Avenue) politics, whims, goals, personal agenda and likes/dislikes. Wrong practices are justified by these corrupts by other wrong practices. Our colonial social set up expect/support/ promote only conformist roles. Role redesign opportunities or change in such colonial societies like Pakistan are limited by design. The narrow range and depth of social roles does not have any space for innovation or change. For past 60 years, it is not coincidences or masses errors that every time we have laid flat in front of US or West.
Shahzeb Khan English Lecture in GC University in one of his article writes about the same in DAWN that “Few of us know that tens of thousands of British officials were denied reappointment in their home country once India and Pakistan won independence in 1947. They were not terminated but were disallowed to work because they were considered unfit to work in a free and democratic country. The context of colonisation influenced working habits of these officials while they were in India. These officials considered themselves part of the metropolis and that they were there only to govern the subjects of the colony. This notion was accompanied with a set of ‘skills’ which these officials were supposed to internalise. After they arrived in India, they were indoctrinated with the ideas of 'superiority' and ‘inferiority’ of Indians they were supposed to govern. “
Any rational and thinking animal in such colonial society, will consider honest/sincere growth/existence in Pakistan, out of context, irrelevant and wasteful not only for honest/sincere and his family but Pakistan also does not need such people. Only Idiots and super idiots thrive, who are well connected and fattest. If any honest continue to live in Pakistan as honest/sincere, he lead boring, static, hypocritical life and this feeling constantly pinches him like wearing a shoe of small size than his foot. On other hand, if he leaves for abroad, he start from zero and have to work really hard for his existence some where else as second grade citizen without any noble IDENTITY. At this juncture in our national life, we Pakistani have to redefine our original identity based in Islam and Land (Punjabi/ Sindhi/Balochi/Pashtoo), which will burgeon our potentials and endow our faculties for more exacting. We have to shed our colonial identity (insecure and fragile) imposed on us. We should undertake a fresh challenge, an IDENTITY -altering venture that allow us to paint the happenings and experiences of our existence and our dreams on a broader canvass. I rest our IDENTITY dilemma for your kind comments, expert advice and candid opinion. I can bear facts without sugar coating.

Thank you and best regards.
FM Shah

Re: # 68

Sorry to hear you felt let down by one of the London whores you shelled out good money for.

Personal attacks on the authors of articles need more than your downmarket experiences as material.

My Dear NFP.. How are you.. Still have PURPLE HAZE blocking your sight... In my opinion You are a showoff.. a classic hippocrate.. You know why? you complain and complain and no action..Yor writing are just like the cheap advertising of male aphrodisiacs plastered on the public bathroom walls in Karachi or better still (for your elitist minded, good for nothing, dumbo readers)the kinky sex flyers for the services of really nasty looking whores, passed out to pedestrians in Soho, London...Please make up your mind,are you a Revolutionary or a PIMP, just a dirty PIMP.. GBY

Re: # 64

ahmadmadni

You say:

"General was not CORROUPT"

What do you mean by 'corruption'?

Is moral degradation and abuse of power not the worst form of corruption?

The affect of religious-tension in the speech-formation of a child.
[I hope this is not illegal, to post it here I mean]
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the breakdown of language.

"but in the beginning was the word, Father"
"In the beginning there was time"
"But in the beginning was the worder, papa?"
"In the BEGINNING there was time"
"I can't proke by bwing, phather"
"I said, in the beginning there was TIME."
i bro tha tyeiieeme eeyel al thatimeeaherseee"

In the nearest language, it always works.

Re: # 64 I do not know why cheap advt here" Chat to Single Arabs Here".
Honestly if one has to date ( Personally i am against all this young silly plays) may be Turk or Persians they are good looking and they are not semites like Arabs ( blood wise they are like jew )
Just wonder why not date nice Mohajir, punjabis and sindhis etc they are far better looking and having brains than oily arabs. I think single arab means Arab man not woman. Any way even central asians far better than arabs only they strnge china type eyes. It is impolite to give such advt to export young , innocent women to Arab lands. They should marry their own type and leave others same way. Blood mixing leads to problems of social type. I have seen children of pakistani boys married to white but children are disappointment always. They do not have good color like mother . When you put little black color in in liter of milk , milk gets dirty looking. Always wonder why white not wipe out black color and choildren become milk white. It is aways in nature good things godown when come incontact with bad , like dark color. You see these balck and white of usa children always look balck why god does not make them look white.Again same. My cat is white like cream and she has sense her all babies always snow white and people use to bag to get one baby. I only gave to Khandan families not to any nobodies. Any way after wards she had birth control operation as in last litter one dark colored. She started loosing sense so I felt why waste her beauty on have dark cat babies.
Any way all people who are in joy and orgy of joy for demise of president are going to cry for this is going to be short to calamaites.
Good day every body. I just do not like people who insult post of president and go on distributing sweets and then cry later. ALL GOOD THINGS COME TO END, ALL UNGRATEFULS.
Good luck and good day.

Re: # 55 Mr.Arjun please tone down yourself and as most of real pakistanis ( all others are punjabis, sindhi , baloch, etc only pakistanis are hindustani muslims who came from india) are in good mood to entertain your silly jokes and cut paste.
Your india is exporting 40 billion , China is exporting 1000 billions also they got many prizes in competition in China.
We may be all bad you want but we are not going eat grass or Rats also.
Now the hero and zero are going to plunder country as usual same sweets distribution and then stealing. General was not CORROUPT and had good ramport with international leaders. Can mr. Singh make debate with expresident even handicapped is question ? No he can not. Now there will be competition in looting country by lion of Punjab - hero and zero both are just agents of usa elites. They are going to soon diliver nothing no electricity, aata, no milk, collapsing textile can not face coolie indian textile and china and bengaladesh industry. Raskals have wested all precious foreign dollars collected by general's govt. He took it 800 index of KSE then he zoomed high, one year the return was highest in world. Best stock exchange in world. Now they are going to screw up middle class share holders like me.
Just now general is villified by corrupt zero and fake hero but after few years people will remember like gone old golden days under rule of general the way we recall welfare of early Khalifas. Good rulers are killed even in old all kahalifas doied due to trachers people fortunately now people get exiled. General should wait patiently, time will give big rope to hang themselves hero and zero. Let us see how this circus of two joker is going to control inflation and get foreign exchange to buy liquid gold. Just due to kind hearted king of KSA we are getting relief. Now hope that judge takes care of NRO and mr.Zero willbe in jail. i think mr. Balawal Zardari bhutto is fine young man compared to hero and zero hope after few years he will guide nation and will be needed as we should fasten our belts as jokers really going to strike mountain in sea and ship will be endangered and then only Bilawal will come on scene on rescue. Even China invited him for games as they know what can happen in future. With Bilawal and mr. Gandhi both good looking , white complexioned gentle, full of youth and vigor can add joy to life of millions men and joy to women specially young for dreams. It is better dream good things than zero, hero and MMSingh. We are famous for showing ingratitude when good leader help us. They slaughterd ZAB and politically slaughtering Musharraff as he is Mojahir and dark colored. Finally in Desh all boil down to color complexion and ethinicity.
Author lady said is right, he may be gone but still he will in hearts all Mohajirs the president Musharraf. People are ungrateful and will soon forget him and will start worshipping hero and zero as Sun and Moon and rising great leaders. One may not agree with marxism ( mostly as we can not read big books) but one has to agree when marx said masses are Asses and donkeys.
Mr. President you did jo as best as you can and you have right to retirement to peaceful retirement. Let us request and we are grateful to you as where ever you are we are sure you experience and knowledge will be available to highest level leadership til you breathe. Happy retirement and have peaceful gracefully you grow old for benefit of Ummah.
Thanks for coining words like moderate Islam , enlighened moderation as well as you gave formula for success of Nation " Subse Pehala Pakistan".
Good luck President.
Let it be new dawn and new rising sun.
That is nature of politics here.

#62...
correction...
Don't you think it is immoral to accept technology and various services of civilised people and try defend the cause of doom?

Re: # 60
masadi...
yep, entire world has witnessed that....
Transition of human society of Gandhar, Egypt etc. under influence of Islam....
BTW, any shame you people have remaining, specialy after defending islam and maligning western civilisation, and still living on the dole they provide (various loans and donations from USA and UK) and using their technology?
Don't you think it is immoral to accept technology and various services of the people and trying defend the cause of your doom?

Re: # 60

Which Islam?

Paky 'Halfi' Islam you mean?

nkg writes "Re: # 54
masadi....
so dirty cheap copy of mediaval arab beduine looter is good, mr. arab slave.... "

Nkg, I think you need to learn about Islam more carefully. It breaks the shackles of tradition and "cheap copies". setting the individual free to determine his own personality as the purpose behind his life, based on which will be his reward/punishment... You are free to form third rate copies of the white man's ways if you find such slavery enlightening, nobody is stopping you but do not try to superimpose your slavish mentality unto Islam...

Re: # 54
masadi....
so dirty cheap copy of mediaval arab beduine looter is good, mr. arab slave....

Re: # 44
Arjun...
So you would allow mediaval arab barbarism!!!!
Slaughtering animal in public place, covering women in gunny sack, causing noise pollution 5 times everyday....

No, wonder, these nuicenses are lowest in the social rank in Britan and rest of Europe!!!

European countries are really becoming very lenient like Indians and creating large space for medaival arab barbarism. They should learn from indian tragedy....

In #56, Please refrain from conclusions that reveal your moronic mentality,

#55 Arjun sahib, thank you for informing us where your values and morals come from: the money as measure of all things criteria. I certainly am not drawing any salary from the GoP or the GoUS,- that is based on an erroneous assessment on your part (in fact the GoP and the GoUS get their "income" by raping the earth and its people, some more than other, governments aren't independantly wealthy you know). Further since you do not know anything about the field I am in, other than its name, it would be highly presumptious of you to claim it is "useless". Please refrain from conclusion that reveal your moronic mentality, I am sure deep down there is some intelligence in a brain that keeps track of all postings by all Pakistanis all the time...

Have a nice day,

TNI masadi

#54 Posted by masadi on August 17, 2008 2:10:24 pm

The money is first rate...it's worth a lot of rupee...even more pakis rupees now that the paki rupee is in the toilet..


and 40 billion $s a year doing a honest job is much better than being a professor in a useless field, drawing a salary from the GoP..i.e. from the people who finance the GoP...i.e. the US government...

Arjun writes "It's understandable that you, as a paki, feel this intense burning sensation when you read about india exporting 40 billion $ of IT services..."

Arjun sahib, thank you for your kind observation regarding the "mirchi" in a certain section of my anatomy. However, much to your dismay, I should inform you that I feel no such sensation. My post was talking about the third rate imitation of the American accent and the fourth rate imitation of their lifestyle by Indian call center operators that is both degrading and demeaning. It had nothing to do with the IT that you export and the monetray value put on that.

Have a good day,

TNI masadi

#46 Posted by masadi on August 16, 2008 12:51:17 pm


India call center operators take note...


It's understandable that you, as a paki, feel this intense burning sensation when you read about india exporting 40 billion $ of IT services...especially when you all tried really really hard to get on the bandwagon but were miserable failures..

it's ok...if the sour grapes thing makes you feel better, knock yourself out...you have other problems than the mirchi on your backside..

Re: # 16 Truly
"ex-commie charsi writes..."

You know THIS too?

"Darde-dil ke waste paida kyaa insaan ko
Warna itayet ke liyea kuch kam na the karobiyaan" --Ghalib.

to be severed from God is painful
I have never been this pained, in my life, before
they say angels keep company with sinners
to remind them, of their lord above

---Karobian = Fareshteh
lol I believe Fareshteh? used to be on the 4th floor as well
crazy days, haha, I remember once she brought Rekha's CD just because a new corruption was in the air, and everyone was so shocked they said "She SPEAKS to you?" haha, and I? we? had said..."yeah we know attitude" LOL
In the nearest language, it always works.

#33 I read your response, Peshawaree. Hindku is still a fascinating dialect, I had a reckoning with "Punjabi" very recently in my life -- I never thought I would utter one word in it. [Though I heard it spoken ]
For some time now, life is in a haze, it feels like Urdu, after all, is my language too...and your Nikama Fazool Pakistani would be better off understanding the hospitality of our people...we are kind to strangers and aliens -- by the way, a good book recommendation for you is
"The Stranger" by Camus -- this man's mother dies, and he does not cry...to all this seems un-natural, forbidden -- and yet, how are we to decide what he (or she) is really feeling?
We shouldn't judge, I'll remember that about Peshawar, and thanks for bringing humor on the page -- we are all missing pieces of a puzzle -- not any less important, than the other.

Sincerely,
MeiraJ08
In the nearest language, it always works.

Well done dear Pracha but to no avail as Qurani Allah says,"Those who are led astray by Allah himself (or, in his name, perhaps) become impervious to any guidance".

Re: # 45
Walaikum Assalam WRWB
Beautiful dissection of the article that goes beyond limits to seek de-hijabization.
JazakAllah khair

@masadi Don't know why, but I feel happy reading your comments :). Nice surgery of the article and I would say some valid counter arguments.

Its been a cliché in our soceity for the last couple of years that every Tom, Dick and Harry who thinks he is "modern" and "suave" makes it a point to curse our conventional modesty e.g. dressing, hijab etc etc.

#44 Arjun, thank you for confirming every point I made in the post. I appreciate your confirmation past your bigoted coloring of events, strawman or not. You are not the center of the universe, the "rationale" was in reference to the French authorities..."Integration" as third rate wannabes with a fourth class status is not something that anyone should seek....India call center operators take note...

Have a good day,

TNI Masadi

Leadenwinter writes "I think the intrinsic problem with these people is that they don't quite ever get laid, (possibly because they're ugly.. inter alia e.g. the fat mutant hijabis of al-huda ) thus it irks them to no end if they discover or suspect anyone else enjoying their existance at all... "

Salam and greetings of peace to you all.

Army apologists like Leadenwinter display some common flaws in their thought process. First they suffer from a disease that is characterised by denigrating anyone that seems to fall outside their "taken for granted" world. Second they assume that those not like them are "ugly" and not attractive to women. These people having a tendency of being gay, spending time with their own gender in the barracks come to think that they know which men are attractive to women. Third they assume that their type of people, the military/dictator apologists that happen to find themselves in the West, "get laid"- that is an erroneous assumption. They are just as "unattractive" to the white woman (other than the grotesqely overweight ones) than any other colored guy, stud or not. Finally, these people who make big claims of "getting laid" and adding pseudo freudian explanations to every event, have themselves never gotten "laid". The only female genatalia they have seen was when they were getting born....


Have a good day,

TNI Masadi

#43 Posted by masadi on August 16, 2008 10:21:27 am


Arjun sahib, I feel your pain but thus far have not invented a pill to cure bigotry.


Sure...but the islamic world has a pill for victimhood..maybe it's a shot muslims babies are given at birth?


There is no rationale for banning any religious symbolism


That's a strawman. I never said I support the ban. But the fact of the matter remains that while islamofascist integration was the target, all religious symbols were targeted...no exceptions...even sikhs were hit...

Hamid Sahib,

Thanks for your interest in my writing. Upon last inquiry, this site did not belong to your mom or dad, kids or brothers and sisters. I am therefore not obligated to take your "shoo" seriously. On the other hand, the correct url for my site is http://www.asadi.org and not looneytunes.

Arjun sahib, I feel your pain but thus far have not invented a pill to cure bigotry. There is no rationale for banning any religious symbolism in a society that proclaims freedom of religion. The other symbols did not become as big an issue as the Hijab did viz a viz the authorities wanting to get rid of something by coercion, certainly not the cross. Those others were offered as political cover for a clearly bigoted practice that came with a plethora of stereotypes against Muslims.

Hurricane sahib, thank you for your support which is appreciated. Keep up the good deeds of challenging the dimwitted ones, particularly #42...

Have a good day,

TNI masadi

Re: # 37

masadi sahib,

.... why do you insist on writing on this site when you have your own site - looneytunes.com .......... now shoo and leave us alone!

#37 Posted by masadi on August 15, 2008 4:23:55 pm


to banning the Hijab in France


enough of the poor islamofascists as victims schtick...It was a blanket ban religious wear...not a ban on hijab..and what prompted it was the failure of muslims to assimilate..and their tendency to, you know, blow shit up...

Paracha sahib,

I have now read quite a number of your articles on Chowk and must say I appreciate your honesty about the reality on the groud. Its a difficult job under the circumstances but someone has to do it .... and you do it well!

NFP's on a rampage. He is disturbing more and more "true Muslims" every week as his columns in Dawn mock fun and attack those people who have always believed themselves to be untouchable and hidden behind their notion of God and Islam. This makes NFP, at least to those who have to live a scary reality back in Pakistan, one of the best things that has happened to the kind of Islam that is not as distorted and convuluted as the one preached by the kind of people he has written here.
Btw, even though I loved this piece and the humour in it, but I can't stop laughing more on some reactions here. Epscially of those who are convinced that Paracha is going to hell while they are sure to end up in paradise. Lol!

Masadi sahib,

Yours is a wonderful post. It luxuriously reveals the flaws in the theme of the article. If it takes one to be dim witted and confused to get published on chowk, may you never get published here :)

Salam and greetings of peace everyone,

I sincerely think that Paracha sahib should give up writing. This kind of "writing" can fly in MAG and other such tabloids but for any serious reader the flaws in his thought process and his dimwitted arguments comparing mini skirts in Pakistan (a traditional society that makes no claims to be open minded) to banning the Hijab in France (a self proclaimed enlightened social democracy) not to mention that "banning" mini skirts has nothing to do with condemning a particular group and relegating them through such definitions to a subservient status. If my memory servers me right the magazine he worked for tried to emulate those "mini skirts" as something from a higher status that even though forbidden needed emulation, unlike the Hijab situation in France.

The other theme in this dimwitted piece is that the mullah, the illiterate mullah and his moronic thought process somehow describes Islam and describes the mainstream Muslim mind, both are gross exaggerations and much removed from reality.

Paracha sahib, your claims that you have "read" x and y and z are all lies, and I call that on your face, I have seen your understanding of Islam that tells me you don't understand the Quran, I have read your understanding of Marxism that tells me you don't know s*** about it and I have seen your writing and you write at the level of an below average high school graduate. In other words, you are the kind of author that Chowk staff, the Gills and the Sohails seek. Congratulations for making their "short-list".

Have a good day,

TNI Masadi

Oh bhai so called self styled paindu, obsolete hippy, qaidee number 1969/420 from Udiala jail--Mr. Nadim Parcha saab. The attitude of giving a f*** about every thing is quite old fashioned now. So Mr. Hippy, even the word hippy (not cos that you have big hips, so don't think its a compliment) is obsolete from the oxford dictionary. So please take a hair cut, shave for once in your life time (get a new gillette razor and throw away that disposable blue razor that you have kept since 1969, as it is supposed to be disposed after few shaves)and most importantly brush your teeth as i can even smell your bad breath even though i am on a different continent. Please start saying something which makes atleast a little bit sense. One has got a more decent chance of having a rather sensible conversation with Ch. Shujat Hussain then Mr. Sada Parcha. Your thoughts emerge from a deeply rooted inferiority complex which has almost become an obsessive compulsive neurosis. If you don't know what this means then i am sure your quite used to of having a pocket dicionary in your pocket.

Give us a break!, Nirvana, Metallica........All gone with the wind....Why don't u?
farras

Re: # 18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KWlRiU8GO8

Re: # 33 thanx miera jay zero 8,
i realize that i slipped from the track a little over by saying''(nalay darling mayno is interact ya comment da jawab na he dayi ta changa jay ,,,,, kiu kay meri "likhaee hich teray ja ay aastay koi safai naee")''
i apology for that,it was nothing personal ,in fact.
I am happy that you mentioned and are aware of the traditional footwear "peshawari chappal" and the traditional food "peshawari chappal kabab" do you know why the kababs are mentioned by the name of chappals? your answer may be "that the kababs are cooked spreadedly and resemble like a chappal, thats why?,,,,but its not like that.
In reality the grinded red chilli and other spices sting (the eater's tongue and throat from the fisrt bite till the last one) in a way that he feels bieng continuesly hitted by a "chappal" on his head.So the next time when you get a chance to visit PESHAWAR pls do try to eat the famous traditional "peshawari chappal kabab",i hope you will feel to have a great experience of life and soon you will start saying "it wont and never could work in a language far away"
love you if you are still young and pretty
though you are old and retired,I remain
yours expert host in entertaining with
PESHAWAREE
chappal & kabbabs

NFP,

In mullonh ki dum mein aag lag gaye hain.....LOL!!

It was 1994. I was an assistant editor and columnist for an English daily in Karachi.

Tussi angreji tay wadhee chunggi kertay ho Nadeem sahib, mein akhya thora ja farq tay jaroor haye ga Praying hor Preying-ich.

I mean a veteran of English literature, over 14 years of experience dealing with literary english, tussi inna farq tay ker sakday ho namaz hor shikar-ich?
Such as: (it seems you do not pray much).
as opposed to Why, do preying people have wings?).

Hey, everybody makes mistakes and inadvertent errors but not editors and that too for an English daily, I would not even have mentioned considering it an innocent error had I not learned from your writing that you are/were "the" Editor of an English daily and that too when you happen to be 14+ years less experienced than today!!
No sweat man, just felt like pulling your leg, I have never appreciated people who try to account for my deeds instead of munkir & nakeer, poor munkir & nakeer would not even qualify for unemployment compensation if there were too many tablighis of such type.
It is absolutely anti-Islamic for someone to judge another in the manner you specify, may Allah SWT bless them with the right knowledge of deen, ameen, as such people with half knowledge are more damaging to the reputation of deen than any others.
Regards

Dear Nadeem,
You were lucky to have been left alone by the Tableeghi and giving up to the humble depantation at your hands. Where I come from, people are kicked out of villages, relations and friendships are cut off, lives are threatened, meetings and jaloos are held against people who do not observes hijab or dare to question the established mullaiyat. If that does not scare the hell out of the people in question, these mujahideen/tableeghi then resort to doing everything that 'la ikra ha fi din' was a typing error and that religion of peace is damn aggressive.
The fruit of Zia ul Haq's mosque building and talibanization will be reaped for decades to come in both Pakistan, Afghanistan and Kashmir. As we speak the markets of Kurram Agency, Fata, Lahore and other dens of momineen seem to be overloaded with such fruits.
But then again, if age old scripture is all these people read, follow, believe in, dream of under the kind influence of the Saudis ... What Talibanization!?

Reminds me of the time when I was set upon by a bunch of "born again" Christianwallas. These folks use a slightly different technique, though. They describe how "touching Christ" has changed them on the inside and gave their life true meaning and they start exlaining their own individual experiences and after a while, the peer pressure is so intense that you start feeling that there must be something totally wrong with you if YOU have not been "touched"!

I like the analogy. Soldier. Finally..hindku really that's nice, so I might know some of it. good to know you have peshawaree chapal and kabab, but also 'reading' and 'writing' powers. I'll be out of here soon Mr. Peshawaree, and yeah, I'm old and retired, though I look very pretty and young, [many things in life are deceptions]

Art Rules. Ciao Everyone, the show is over, and yeah, I'm the one who calls it off.
In the nearest language, it always works.

Re: # 27 oye miera jay zero 8
bahiya (with a pura bundle of excuses)
kia aap taza taza fauj say kernayl retire howay ho? yaar kamal hay? so much writting( so called by you "pieces of arts")in just one sitting???wah jee wah!kia baat hay!meray dear kuch tay aglay 14 august astay wee samhal kay rakh lay.waisay may peshawaree aa tay mayn punjabi bolan nee aani.nalay jehra interact tu mera parhya aay ow "hindku" zaban hich see .nalay darling mayno is interact ya comment da jawab na he dayi ta changa jay ,,,,, kiu kay meri "likhaee hich teray ja ay aastay koi safai naee"

My answer is: Art. If its a battle of words or wit, then we, the writers can defeat monsters.

Your essay was a true reminder to us all, that the inner-world exists. I can't hear nothing more. Life is not about petty rivalries. We must go on, we must continue.

I propose: Art, everyone, in the comments, in answers, in questions, let the superior force, do its will. Go on till necessary. We can beat them.
-----------My contribution, for an excellent piece on my country's Independence Day:

Gangrene hands of a Sadequain painting.

gangrene, got-to-say goes
thick German Accent,
brings me home
I've been gone
away so long
I missed you, torture, my city,
friend. lonesome,
street of my hometown.

-------
Lets try something new.
اودھی لکھای ÙˆÚ† بڑی صÙ?ای سی- -- Language, is in your hands, Artist, Writer, Creator -- whoever is listening. This is your language.
In the nearest language, it always works.

mr n f p (nakamay fazool pakistani)
lalay gul
such such bata kay whome r u against actually?
islam day khilaaf aay yaa musalmana day? or against your own self as born bieng a muslim? yaar dekh apnra dimakh kiu khanay? i can under stand your feelings.You absolutley
feel as a "wrong bird" in the "wrong cage" i;e a bat in the cage of pigeons.I really admire your courage for you got and get such disgraces time by time and yet remianing in the same "ignorat society" which can never understand the feelings of a """god"""-sent,intellectual jack of all trades etc etc ......... shortly the "only one" as you are yourself all alone.Above all i salute you for knowing all about and then even working and serving for this nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you really are a great person.
But i wonder why are you spoilling your abilities and suppressing your
super-natural ideas,just by still giving sermons and making people understand about what they dont want to hear even?So why bieng only a tadpole of a pond?Why not to be a whale of the ocean? I m sure your pretty lips will be making a question mark and sounding howwww????
Well mr n f p a good advice is never for free but since you are a very special one for all "chowkees",hence my advice is free for you and its very simple even and consists of two words only....and it is........
"LEAVE ISLAM" !!!!!!!! very simple, isnt it? wash away the label of bieng calling a muslim,for majority of muslim are like this,,,,always worrying of about thier quran, namaz, parda,beareds,masjids waghayra waghayra and those who are not ,they at least dislike the
Nakara Falto Paleed criticim yani NFP criticism imposed on thier religion by people like your greatself.
Lalay Gul ,
kiu apno maseebut wich paya hoya nay,tay injay khwa makhwa pa ay siir mar theywo, chorho ay islam tay musalmani,tay apnray piu daday da asal mazhab qabool karkay ,eat what ever shit you want to ,by speaking uot patang and criticising upon mulims and thier way of practicing islam. I hope kay gal samoj shareef wich aa ga ee hosi nay.

Reply to # 21 of Leadenwinter :

I don't agree with your point of view .

You are assuming things and you are projecting your own filth on " un known " women of Pakistani society.

People know that you are also "fat " now and although you got laid by thousands of people you still get very angry , bitter and piosonous most of the times.

Shelter , Security , Food, Shower / toilet , Sex ( need for companion and children ) etc. are basic necessities of life which humans need through out their lives.

Islam regulate all these needs within clearly defined and secure boundries of family.

Without any committment or love, Getting laid here and there , in park bushes , in car back seats, in his room , in her room, with that guy , with that other guy can only make people more alcoholic, cocaine / marijuana and sex addicts ,.and such escaping maniacs are hiding underlying issues and they can be very dangerous for the mankind.

Look at the behaviour of George W Bush , he laid thousands of women in his life , he became cocaine / Marijuana addict during his college days ,..then he became alcoholic and sex addict and got criminal record due to impaired driving.

Such addicts with low self image are easy targets for Church Thugs , and they lured him to become " born again Christian " , and then god started to come in his mind telling him to bomb Muslim families of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Now G W Bush and Lora Bush are going to divorce each other , hence your theory about making people more sane and stable through Zina, adultery , sex addiction, drug addiction , fornication etc. is wrong.

2 corrections in my previous post

1. "Sia-ul-Haque" should be read as "Zia-ul-Haque" (may he obtain unending bounties in heaven)
2. "Repend" should be read as "Repent"
I remain, your humble master

your mullah,

Maulana Toofani

NFP baitay,

Assalam ualaikum wa rehmatullah wa barakatu
wa jannat ul hallalu wa dozakh ul haramu
amma baad, baccha pehlay,

Mashallah the paradise bound teenagers spotted your na-momaniyat from a mile. May Allah increase their bounty in heaven.

Not only are you standing on the verge of doazkh, NFP baitay, you are also uttering subtle profanities against Zia-ul-Haque.

Zai-ul-Haque, the ameer ul momineen, the kahdim-e-harmain-shareefain, the panch waqt namazi, his holiness, the JabrDA sharif.

Of course he built mosques. Everyone knows that this life is but a test for the aakhriyat. There is no real need to stay attached to this world. The knowledge of this world will not be useful in the other world. Mashallah, Ameer ul muslameen, hazrat Zia-ul-Haque was making sure we got the right education. The education that matters. Madrassas and such.

Lahowlawala quwat. What horrible time is upon us? The blessed beard of a momin is compared to the lustful seductive zulfain of a temptress? The poor man weeps at seeing you and your lady boss jump so deep in the well of jahilliyat that you dared contradict his noble cause, and even dared to raise concerns about the daRdhee mubarik.

Mashallah sheikh Sia-ul-Haque had afforded the khawateen the privilige of living in their homes with utmost freedom. This boss and the nangi sir aurat in your office have forsaken that freedom. May God protect us from such evil deeds.

Repend NFP baitay. I will pray for you.

Wassalam.
I remain, your humble master

your mullah,

Maulana Toofani

So Janjua's female? thanks leadenwinter, you problem-solver.
; )
In the nearest language, it always works.

I think the intrinsic problem with these people is that they don't quite ever get laid, (possibly because they're ugly.. inter alia e.g. the fat mutant hijabis of al-huda ) thus it irks them to no end if they discover or suspect anyone else enjoying their existance at all... this is the force that drives fundamentalists.... the desire to ensure that everyone is as utterly miserable as they are themselves.

If muslims calm down about sex they'll stop blowing things up and making life difficult for everyone else :)

Frankly, I'm quite bored with the way those arguments go, Janjua (who still forgot to mention if he is a man or a..) and the trick in this particular instance, was to create an alternative, where kaptain would lose his ground -- and his real intention would come through, which it did:


"Weapon, Women and Wine..these bring the tautness of arrogance.."
[damn it, I hate giving out my secrets, but sometimes leeches have their ways] Ok here goes,

Did you know, that fallacies in argument, are used as 'tools' of debate? No, Urooj Janjua only comes up with nice little jingles for Tableeghee fathers and their suppressed daughters: "I am woman, hear me roar" if repeated the whole day by them, would do them good. You should really suggest it. Comon, afterall, you did think of it, all by yourself.

The trick in this experiment was to follow the humor, the creativity and the necessity to RAISE THE PLATFORM from god-damn one-dimensional conversations that reach nothing.
I am Muslim, you are not. And lets hear it 15 billion times again. Janjua, though I giggle each time I take this name, (its a funny name) is to be taken with a grain of horror. I am acquiring that, at Chowk, these days.

In the nearest language, it always works.

Re: # 17

For your next assignment try to find out what "taking something with a grain of salt" means.

After that we'll come around to how the paragraphs and/or sentences are meant to be read and taken as a whole.

For a poet you're pretty hazy on a lot of things that should be second nature to you, unless of course you're a fake, cos then all is explained.

Re: # 17

And why, may I ask, is it not sane? Am I missing something here? Or is your command on English too weak to get at the meaning behind the sentence, or ONCE AGAIN, it's the whole "I am woman, hear me roar" tripe?

To break it down for you, here's how it goes, When a man (and here the reference is to a heterosexual man) is approached by a virgin (reference being a very attractive female) and is offered a beer (reference being any kind of sin) normally he is not able to resist it (meaning, he falls for it), however, there is a certain commendable breed, that does not fall into such things no matter what or who the temptation is.

For someone who claims to be a poet, you're pretty thick when it comes to symbolism.

And next time you address my post, have the guts to say so, cos after all , you are woman and we all should hear you roar; I would be the one, standing in the middle of the room, guffawing loudly at your roar.

addressed to no-one in particular.

The line: One cannot deny a provocative and inviting virgin with a pack of beer but few can.---
is what UroojJanjua calls sane. Its also what he/she calls 'point well-taken.' If you were a man, I would quote DPS, more specifically: "are you a man or an amoeba? " but since I am uncertain of your gender, the name I mean. What can I call you instead, in the meantime?

Till we figure out what it is, let there be silence. That Kaptain episode was a headache in itself. Then the janjuas come along.


In the nearest language, it always works.

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Re: # 14

I don't see why you have to jump each time you hear the word "woman" and scream bloody murder. The point made by kaptain was quite sane, until you decided to shed some feminist light on it, now it's lost in all the "I am woman, hear me roar" crap..!!

Anyway, coming back to the point, I would say good going kaptain, point taken, albeit with a grain of salt, just like the article written by NFP should be taken.

kaptain, you seem to know a little too much about these settings and timings.

Arrogance is a quality I admire the most in Iqbal.
khudee ko kar bulund itna kei har taqdeer se pehle
khuda bandei se khud pooche, bata teree raza kia hai

didn't Junoon, before I lost all track of them, make these lines go round?

There's no knowing God without arrogance, "no nor women either/
though, by your smiling, you seem to say so." -- Hamlet, Shakespeare.
In the nearest language, it always works.

Re: # 12

and third W is Wine..

Weapon, Women and Wine..these bring the tautness of arrogance..

no discrimination meant to ladies..that's not the point here..

Re: # 10

point is..
how many of 'em can resist such an offer..? given all the plausible inclines 'preferred' settings and timings..??

any..?

but not many..others have already or would put conscience to shame..
but that point of self-culmination is indeed a point of self-gratification..where others would cringe..
and this doesn't come easy and winners as said are less in this spectrum..only a handful..for an example..
313 Vs. the 1000 armed with weapons and women..interestingly the latter and former are Ws..;)..

this is the point..

Subhe Azadi

ye daaG daaG ujaalaa, ye shab_gaziidaa sahar
wo intazaar thaa jis kaa, ye wo sahar to nahii.n


ye wo sahar to nahii.n jis kii aarazuu lekar
chale the yaar ki mil jaayegii kahii.n na kahii.n
falak ke dasht me.n taro.n kii aaKharii ma.nzil
kahii.n to hogaa shab-e-sust mauj kaa saahil
kahii.n to jaa ke rukegaa safinaa-e-Gam-e-dil
jawaa.N lahuu kii pur-asaraar shaaharaaho.n se
chale jo yaar to daaman pe kitane haath pa.De
dayaar-e-husn kii be-sabr Khwaab-gaaho.n se
pukaratii rahii.n baahe.n, badan bulaate rahe
bahut aziiz thii lekin ruKh-e-sahar kii lagan
bahut qarii.n thaa hasiinaan-e-nuur kaa daaman
subuk subuk thii tamannaa, dabii dabii thii thakan


sunaa hai ho bhii chukaa hai firaq-e-zulmat-e-nuur
sunaa hai ho bhii chukaa hai wisaal-e-ma.nzil-o-gaam
badal chukaa hai bahut ahl-e-dard kaa dastuur
nishaat-e-wasl halaal-o-azaab-e-hijr-e-haraam
jigar kii aag, nazar kii uma.ng, dil kii jalan
kisii pe chaaraa-e-hijraa.N kaa kuchh asar hii nahii.n
kahaa.N se aaii nigaar-e-sabaa, kidhar ko gaii
abhii chiraaG-e-sar-e-rah ko kuchh Khabar hii nahii.n
abhii garaani-e-shab me.n kamii nahii.n aaii
najaat-e-diida-o-dil kii gha.Dii nahii.n aaii
chale chalo ki wo ma.nzil abhii nahii.n aaii

Faiz Ahmed Faiz

I like killing points. So, Mr. Kaptain, this beer is served by an enticing "aurat"....Khatoon I mean....what is your point?

A good musalmaan can take vine from virgins, dear god, elahi, this is sacrilege. You make a bad example (model) for fellow Muslims.

tobah astaghfaar.


In the nearest language, it always works.

Re: # 8 - getting the beer from a man kills the point..

isn't the 'pack of beer' haram, Mr. kaptain? are you suggesting, in the face of sin, one is allowed such an exception?

beer, an interesting alternative...yeah, it solves the terrible and unforeseen event that (god, devil, and mankind forbid you should set your eyes on) i.e a woman.

By the way, wasn't that...
"tell the believing men to lower their gaze...."
from the book of all books? but this justification of beer, is profound. Really, it matches all the tricks.

You were going to get this beer with a man, right?....ah!..I see.
In the nearest language, it always works.

FYI, Tableeghis, as observed closely, don't demand any kind of alms, extension of charity.
Neither do they shun non-practising muslims this sinister way.

To believe, one has to experience anything, let alone Tableegh, quite intricately.
At least you would agree, no book can be judged by its cover.

Let alone Islam and Tableegh, whereby one is instructed firstly to cultivate in oneself the power of self-abstinence. One cannot deny a provocative and inviting virgin with a pack of beer but few can.
These few have learned the art.

Propagation of abstinence to others come quite later. First victory over oneself.

Just my two cents.

lol, you get the best of comments -- no fair!! the Batman comic line was the best, haha

The picture at the side of your new article, caught my eye, I couldn't help composing these lines:

http://chowk.com/ilogs/68287/49029

I'm only allowed to write at the zeir-e-zameen of chalk, that's the underground, where I and women exist. [remember, we're not listed, as you quoted so efficiently not so long ago.]

see you there.
In the nearest language, it always works.

Paracha Sahib. Some experiences yove had. The parallel that comes to mind regarding Tablighis’ is that of bee and nectar. A bee only sucks on the flower where it will find juice.

Here is New York (and I guess elsewhere in the US as well) there is a similar group (traditionally known as the Bible Students “Taliban�) but more commonly referred to as Jehovah’s witnesses (not considered Christians by other Christians because of their rejection of the Trinity). But unlike the Tablighis or the Talibs, the JWs have had a huge impact on the civil liberties and laws of the US. Although they go house to house preaching (like Tablighis) but they don’t force themselves upon you in public places. They just sit on a bench with their magazine (Watch Tower) and hope that someone will talk to them. They are a very interesting group of people.

There’s a book “The American Religion� by Harold Bloom. A fascinating read about the role of religion (or modern American religion of the 19th century, e.g., Pentecostalism to Southern Baptism) on the US culture.

He shook his head, smiled, half-closed his eyes and said, "Allah aap koh hidayat dey aur …."

I interrupted: " … Aur aap koh aqal!"

Not bad, but the Batman comic line is the best one....

NFP Mian,
Its time to start praying that this article gets 72 hits.

NFP, I used to go once to that 4th floor too, in those days I used to read Ayn Rand, and posted her quotations at the notice-board pretending it mattered to me. It was my first experience in an office-environment, they all said I was idealistic, young, to-be-corrupted. I fought for my internship there, got it by an essay I wrote passionately titled, "bloody hope." Fought for a child-hood friend to get that job as well. Won it for her.
A few years later, she left me, as friends often do, when you reach dead-ends, the bats crying off in the distant, an ozone layer with black pills -- Hejaab, Taliban has so many definitions. So does, Mysticism and Myth.

I think you will win, because I saw you there on that 4th floor, and I still see you here, the second time I've come.
I am no longer the same.

Independence.

The lips have turned black
like an art, we all hide
not just that woman in that scarf
we give it another name:
social life, decorum, propriety:
how do you do, Ma'am?

strange i thought I'd never feel friendship for the fourth floor, again.
In the nearest language, it always works.

Do you still believe you can win?