It's Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India

No more comments on Kashmir???

It seems easy to ignore truths and hide behind your ego, but you hardly lived your life then. It was more of an illusion.

Better face the truth in this life and live a truthful life, because you may not get a second life to understand reality of this world. And even if you do get a chance, you may not be able to live the moment of truth that is passing now.


Remember---

Truth alone triumphs because there is no way to defeat a truth, you can only defeat your own mind

Cobra, you need to think again. I used to think that way; the violence around the Amarnath yatra and some of the "secular" reaction to it, including this article, is probably responsible for changing my mind. Today I feel that people who deny their Hindu fellow Kashmiris the right to their homes and deny other human beings the right to toilet facilities have lost their humanity, and giving in to them would be seen as a victory for violence. It is much easier to give in here, but where does it stop? This is a war we have to wage. I feel like a fake saying it from the safety of my home, but India is mine in a way no other country can ever be.

Free Kashmir that is the only solution.

Bihar from where GOI got Iron, Coal and other minerals gets Rs.600 per capita per year loan and these scumBaigs get grant ie gift of Rs. 30K per shantic kashmiri per year. Because of these testicular type fukhat ka khane wale India has to spend Billions of $s on defense.


We need to move all Bhayyas from Mumbai into Srinagar. Sanatani I think you are in India so would you please start the movement for Kumbha Mela at Dal lake.

Re: # 252
Satya....
This terrorist leader (Gillani) gathered all these at the expense of Pundits. Most of the moslems were illiterate and poors. Pundits used to be progressive and rich one. Using Islam/Jihad, they have captured properties of pundits. Now, even if USA do not allow this scoyundrel to touch their land, GoI provides health facility in top Mumbai Hospitals.

I will repeat ad nauseaum the problem is not Muslims it is Islam.

We need to do something about it and that something is deislamisation. Exactly what the choice Muslais gave to Hindus must be returned leave Islam or Die even expulsion is not an option.

Santani

Dost,

You should have written about Rs. 10K grant per capita from GOI. Kashmiri Shantic folks must have stole Jammu's and Ladakh's share. So I feel Kashmiri Shantic folks ate rs. 30K per year per Kashmiri shantic capita for six decades. No wonder Bihar who gets loan of Rs. 600 per capita per year is in such dire state. One crore Biharis need to be settled around Dal lake. Mind that grant is gift

Yet another Shantic draculla. 10 Million DeshPremi Indians need to have long march of Mao type and settle in Kashmir valley. Next Kumbh Mela needs to be held at Dal Lake Srinanagr.

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IN July 2001, the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi hosted a reception for President General Pervez Musharraf, who was then on his way to Agra for his summit meeting with Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee. In the middle of the genteel gathering, a venomous argument broke out between Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the Imam of the historic Jama Masjid in Delhi, and Syed Ali Shah Geelani, perhaps the most visible figure of the Islamist Far Right in Jammu and Kashmir. The debate, which began over Bukhari's claim that the interests of Indian Muslims were at stake in Jammu and Kashmir, ended emphatically. "Kashmir will become a part of Pakistan," Geelani declaimed, "I am a Pakistani."

Not, it seems, when it comes to taking a favour or two from the Indian state. On April 21, Geelani swore out an affidavit before Daljit Singh, the Sub-Divisional Magistrate in charge of the Karol Bagh area of New Delhi, proclaiming that he was a "Senior Citizen of India." The affidavit, which also recorded his date of birth and the address of his home in the upmarket Malviya Nagar area, was filed in order to obtain discounts offered by Indian Airlines Ltd. for senior citizens. The intelligence officials who trail the Jamaat-e-Islami leader were delighted, and promptly leaked copies of the document to journalists in New Delhi.

A cheap shot? The affidavit illustrates, if nothing else, the opportunism of the most hardline figure in the secessionist All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC). Geelani has, over the years, repeatedly called for boycotts of elections in Jammu and Kashmir. He, however, continues to draw a pension of Rs.7,100 a month due to him as a two-time member of the State's Legislative Assembly. The veteran politician had, at that time, no qualms about taking office bound by the Indian Constitution. Indeed, Geelani, like other Muslim United Front MLAs elected in 1987, stayed in office until late 1989, hesitant about joining the early armed struggle in the State. None of Geelani's children joined the jehad he energetically advocated all families in Jammu and Kashmir to contribute their sons to.

Geelani's relationship with the Indian state has continued to be ambiguous. After his arrest last year, under the Jammu and Kashmir Public Safety Act, he was shifted to the Birsa Munda prison in Ranchi, Jharkhand. The prison cell he was housed in was a two-room block custom-built to house former Bihar Chief Minister Laloo Prasad Yadav. The closest thing to a five-star accommodation available in the Indian prison system, Geelani's accommodation was in stark contrast to that given to most other prisoners from Jammu and Kashmir.

Early this year, a tumour in Geelani's kidney was found to be malignant. He was promptly flown to Mumbai from Ranchi, on the Jammu and Kashmir government's official twin-engine Beechcraft. A personal doctor flew on the plane from Srinagar, and was in attendance at the luxury suite made available to Geelani at the Tata Memorial Hospital, a premier cancer-care facility. On his return to Srinagar, however, he complained about poor prison conditions and healthcare, perhaps an effort to shore up his legitimacy with his understandably sceptical constituency.

The circumstances of Geelani's release, like those of Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front leader Yasin Malik, remain somewhat opaque. The Public Safety Act order issued on June 9, 2002 specified that Geelani be imprisoned for two years. The Act allows for the parole of prisoners for a specified period and on specific grounds. The order granting Geelani parole cites no specific reasons for his release, nor mandates the conditions that he must adhere to during his parole period. The Jamaat-e-Islami leader has been politically active since his return to the State, a violation of the normal parole conditions. Once again, the state has been inexplicably generous to one of its most hostile enemies.

Meanwhile, Income Tax proceedings initiated against Geelani last year appear to have fallen into limbo. Income Tax officials who raided Geelani's home and those of his immediate family members found Rs.10.25 lakhs in cash, another $10,000, vouchers for recently purchased jewellery and documents relating to the purchase of two new homes in an upmarket neighbourhood in Srinagar. Geelani employed 14 servants at a monthly salary of Rs.2,000 each, an expense which in itself exceeded his disclosed monthly income of Rs.17,100. If the cases collapse, it will just be the last in a long string of hawala and income tax charges brought against the politician, which were subsequently withdrawn for no apparent reason.

Soldiers who fight wars, it is said, best understand the value of peace. Geelani has never fought in the campaign that has cost the lives of thousands of Hizbul Mujahideen cadre, the organisation he patronises. In late April, Hizbul Mujahideen cadre, allied to the recently assassinated pro-peace leader Majid Dar, raided their organisation's head office in Islamabad. Office staff loyal to Geelani's most loyal follower, Hizbul Mujahideen supreme commander Mohammad Yusuf Shah, was driven out. The dissidents briefly took possession of Rs.1.37 crores in cash, along with eight cars, before Pakistani intelligence officials stepped in and sealed the building.

In his own ranks, Geelani seems to have few friends left. That, oddly enough, cannot be said of the state that he so bitterly opposes.

Nearly 2 lakhs court arrest for shrine land
www.earlytimes.in
8/18/2008 10:39:24 PM


Early Times Reporter
Jammu | Aug 18

It was a quick and grim reminder of Indian freedom movement today when several thousands people –rather few lakhs –marched to the Police several stations across the region and offered their arrests in a gesture of strongest protest against the government for its inability to restore 800 kanals of forest land at Baltal to the Shri Amarnath Shrine Board.
The first phase of the ‘Jail Bharo Andolan’ launched by Shri Amarnath Yatra Sangharsh Samiti and supported by over three dozen other organizations, saw a sea of humanity pouring into various Police Stations to offer their arrests. Though the situation was tough for the Police to handle but no curfew or other restrictions had been imposed to curb the movement of agitators.
Though today it was the turn of men to court their arrests but thousands of women and children also marched to the Police Stations. The women folk said that they were pained over the situation and were in no mood to wait till their turn. “Although woman folk was not asked to participate in today's Jail Bharo Andolan, still more than 10,000 women offered themselves for arrest. Women would offer themselves for court arrest on August 19 followed by programme of court arrest of children on August 20�, said a Samiti spokesman.
Strength in the court arrest march was unprecedented but an exact figure of those who courted their arrests could not be worked out. The Shri Amarnath Yatra Sangharsh Samiti claimed that more than three lakh people in all districts of Jammu region courted arrests. Barring a couple of Police Stations, no other Police officer could confirm the exact number of protestors who reached their respective jurisdiction. However, computation reports as gathered by our reporters in the City and other parts of region suggest that by any estimate the total strength of protesters was between 1.75 lakhs to 2 lakhs. “We have never seen such an unprecedented response to any movement so far�, said a senior Police officer wishing not to be identified.

Re: # 242
tahmed...
Yep, we know that Kashmiris love islam and they have demonstrated that towards pundits in 1990s. How to tackle such scoundrels without using huge amount of armed soldiers? If they behaved civilised way (at least stopped behaving like moslem), India would have been spared of some resources....

Re: # 232
DM...
This is the age old result of financial support provided by GoI and allowed these scums to loot and occupy pundit properties. The best solution should have been something different. The more you pamper these creatures, more trouble they create for you.

Okhla writes "TNI will not be published on lulu.com any more, that appears for sure...unless he doubles the amount payable (and pays it prompltly.."

Okhla sahib,

I admire your skill in sneaking my name into every post you make. I have made quite an impression on you for sure. Regarding lulu, they do not charge anything for the files you upload, only when you order a finished product is the charge applied. If you cannot counter my arguments trying these cheap tricks (lulu etc) at discrediting my work reflects extremely poorly on you. Just some sincere advice,

Have a nice day,

TNI masadi

Re #246 Posted by ajeya,

Ajeya, tahmed32 is very intelligent and nice guy. Even when I am replying to him, I am not saying things just to him. It is more for those muslims who simply avoid truths. He may be avoiding it only in few cases. He is not in favour of many things that Islam does, but as usual he would like Kashmir to be free so that Islam gets more land. Same inferiority complex problem that I discussed earlier in those "scenarios".

most of what I am saying is known to everybody, the repitition is to make their intellect fight against their ego. Give proper/solid reasons. Repeat it, so they know they are deceiving or lying. When you do it often, you just have to say the first statement and they will remember all of your logic. Later, you don't have to say anything, the moment they try to deceive themselves, they will remember all you said.

The problem is that the humbleness and modesty that we learn doesn't work against people who have lost this humbleness or modesty in some context. These people can still be much more humble and modest than I am in many contexts but when it comes to ISlam, they are neither honest, nor humble nor modest. They only try to fake it to keep you off the topic.


My ego is attached to a good society and I feel hurt with what Islam has done or is doing and will do if not restrained. If it was upto me, you give me Islamic idiocy (get rid of it) and I will give you Hinduism, Christianity, India or whatever. You can create as many nations and states as you want, have union or whatever and live as good humans.

But I am not ok when you feed this monster Islam with new states and more people and more land.

You can lie all your life, but future generations will prove that you were lying and your repetitive lying will not turn a lie into trut. Future will never be on your side.

pinku

It is no point railing at Tahmed. Mooslas will be mooslas and do moosla-giri wherever they go in the world. The good news is, that we are not alone. Mooslas have done moosla-giri in Europe, and the backlash has been the Serbian holocaust. Turkey and Greece do not speak to each other. In the American presidential debates, the candidates try to outdo each other in their sworn enmity to moosla-giri. Nobody can tolerate moosla-giri for any length of time. So in this one respect, the world is uniting more and more every day. The mooslas will keep bombing men, women and children around the world, and the world will keep uniting against them more and more every day.

Moosla-ism will be abolished from the world one day. That day will come.

Re #242 Posted by tahmed32

Excellent comment tahmed32, great reasoning, keep it up.


So hindus are chauvinist even if they end up having a party but muslims are not even when they demand nations for themselves. Ha Ha:-) Your billion muslims all living in their nations and demaning more daily are not Chauvinists??? Well, if they are not you should find some term that is more evil than this, if you have to comapre them with those hindus.

They want freedom for themselves after killing and forcing hindus out of that land??? Who will rule them? Why they can't tule themselves under Indian federation? What do they want to rule? Their own defence and they will fight and rule over whole world??? Their own foreign policy and they will help Pakistan in managing Jihad better? Or their own state and its economy which they can manage even now?


Love for land??? Who in this world doesn't not that kind of love for land? Any idiot can wish all land be his/hers??

And love for religion, what in religion do they love?

If they love freedom others love freeing them from their so caled love for land and religion. For others it is obsession with land and religion at the cost of well being of society. Others don't want them to create another nation on the basis of Islam. Doesn't matter how much they love such separations.

#242 tahmed32

[i was told that there is one indian soldier for every 3 civilians in kashmir!!]

If it was up to me, it would be 5 Indians from all the Indian states for each civilian in kashmir.

[as for the two crimes you imply kashmiris have - i.e. love of their land and of their religion of islam. This is exactly the mindset that causes kashmiris to have nothing to do with india.]

Indians don't want these ungrateful mofos either. They can take their mindset and start walking towards Mecca right now.

Get out!! RIGHT NOW!!