It's Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India

"my problem is with the politicians who are exploiting the situation to consolidate their vote banks."

The only people we should have problems with are those who want politicians to not be politicians. Who want to create a society which will be at peace when politicians (of one specific community?) are angels.

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Pathaab? We know Parthaab. Again, the question is: Where is Pranay Rupani?

#93 Posted by VRV,

I saw a surprising remark by nb that Kashmiris can leave without their land. This line of thought is repulsive, if not downright disgustingly naive.

I see you belong to the same category.

vrv, dm ji

All this is ok with dm ji and some Hindus like him, but I am personally shocked. And if I didn't have an inkling, I am sure most Hindus haven't thought of any of this earlier either. To South Indian Hindus this issue may have been even more remote.

But just because Hindus have been unaware or unconcerned, it doesn't mean the sitaution is not VERY VERY DANGEROUS situation. In terms of its implications, it is far worse than zealous Muslim leaguers and supporters staying back in India and being granted high positions in government by Nehru.

Before this situation turns totally unmanageable in some hands, it MUST be corrected.

We should be afraid for what lies in store if we close our eyes right now.


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ijaz_gul, zee

Did you see the following article? It makes addersses that same concern, and makes the argument that this Pakistani diffidence is unwarranted. -

Pro-Kashmir, anti-Taliban —Rafia Zakaria

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008816story_16-8-2008_pg3_ 3

nb:

I have no problem with the people of Jammu protesting against the government buckled down; my problem is with the politicians who are exploiting the situation to consolidate their vote banks.

As fegards Surat bombings, I do not have any evidence (but do read parthab's post#37). But there is strong circumstantial evidence that the Surat 'bombs' were planted. With the record of Indians in this respect, it requires a huge leap of faith to expect that they were able to discover all 20 or so bombs without even one of them going off.

#90 When thug musharraf proudly claims he violated the constitution on nov 3, i believe him. When thug ben laden proudly claims he was behind 9/11, i believe him.

in both cases, like i said, there is ample additional evidence that corroborates what they say.

i recall a pakistani tv discussant who refused to accept an al qaeda spokesmen's repetition of ownership for 9/11 even after they played the video as part of the discussion on geo.

#88 Posted by ijaz_gul,

I haven't heard that song, but I get what you mean.

Hmmm ...

Zee,

We know each other's viewpoint. So I dont like to argue but make a suggestion. This way we can get rid of our respective floatsam.

Pakistan can get rid of all the willing minorities (Hindu, Sikhs, Isais and prolly Mohajirs), Ahmadis and India can exchange them for separatist Kashmiris.

U can get superior race Muslims and get rid of unwanted muttarwas and minorities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSev8AbB2SA&feature=related

#87 Posted by tahmed32,

... the proof that 9/11 was done by al qaeda is there - i have seen even al qaeda reps have publicly and proudly claimed credit on TV for this.

So you believe 'terrorists' beyond a shadow of doubt? They must be the most reliable and credible then - certainly more than anyone in history I've known.

Fine. Now let's not distract DM's good thread :)

nb: i take your silence to mean that you have realized the error of your blind support for BJP. Congratulations on this realization.

Zeemax,
Its not intriguing. Heard that song by Kenny Rogers,'gamblers advice to his son'

Know when to walk away
Know when to run
Never count your money when you'r sitting at the table,
there be time enough to do it;
when the deal is done.

zeemax: we must stay above the level of extremists. the proof that 9/11 was done by al qaeda is there - i have seen even al qaeda reps have publicly and proudly claimed credit on TV for this.

to say that al qaeda did not do it is to turn one's face away from clear evidence the way those opposed to evolution do.

#83 Posted by ijaz_gul

Its just that the issues of terrorism have eclipsed freedom movements where interests of USA are not served. Pakistan's hibernation on the issue is to make sure that Kashmir never links up with terrorism and therefore the pause.

This is an intriguing comment. No one has mentioned anything like this before.

Do continue ...

FV has risen from slumber and iloged the petition of some acdemics from nowherepura!

Whereas another Indian Muslim i.e Murad Baig claimed that Valley is self-sufficient and therfore desreves independence

but

the ilog talks abt the economic blockade that criipled the lives there.

Though there's an attempt to block traffic to/from Valley recently it was not that it sustained for many days. It's as if the Valley was never under 24 hr curfew for weeks an weeks together. It's a lie that's being used by separaists and pro-separatists like Mahboobas and FVs.

The Recommendations as enlisted in the petition:

Recommendations:

1. The Government of India should immediately end the economic blockade and ensure that goods and services, including emergency medical and food supplies, can move in both directions along the Srinagar-Jammu border.

A: There's no bloackade and Governor himself ensured it.

2. The Government of India should open the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad road, a promise repeatedly reiterated by successive governments of India and Pakistan, though never implemented. This would ensure that the current crisis situation is not repeated as well as mark a concrete step forward in addressing injustices and the peace process.

A: It's the sovereign decision of GoI along with GoP to decide.

3. Take immediate action to stop the violence against the Muslim minority in Jammu and bring those responsible to justice.

A: Why nobody talks abt violence against Hindu-minoty in the valley for years? Btw, there're some instances of hut burning by 'some' miscreants in Jammu (isolated). Hindus and Muslims are together in Jammu as it's evident from news reports.

4. Put an end to ongoing human rights abuses by Indian forces and pro-India militias as repeatedly promised by the Indian Prime Minister and expected of democratic governments.

A: HR violations is a norm in India. Some Jammu Hindus were killed there. Some Hindu Gujjars were shot dead in northern India recently. Even 10-odd farmers were shot dead a few day ago by the 'Inian forces' in Uttar Pradesh.

There're NO pro-India militias there. There used to be Ikhwanis but not now. Btw, Farzana is OK with pro-Paaki militias. What a wh%$+!

5. Take steps for a long-term resolution of the conflict by beginning talks with all sections of the Kashmiri leadership and civil society.

A: We now that long-term solution doesn include complete accesion to India! Right?

6. Take steps to hold the Indian state accountable under the provisions established by the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir, Constitution of India, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and International Laws and Conventions.

A: It's a natural process. However the Hurriyat never recognises Indian laws then wherew the argument?

tahmed/nb,

Okay let's put it another way.

I say the September 11 bombings were committed by ETA of Spain assisted by LTTE of Sri Lanka in connivance with US White Supremacists of Oklahoma.

What do you have to prove me wrong?