It's Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India

Give them freedom. They are no Indian's any way. What's the point in holding them by force and or coaxing?

arjun#209:

Yes, I do think so. Most of those who took part in WTC bombings were not devout. Neither are some of the strongest proponents of political islam on chowk.

This thing really came home to me during my six week stay in Bangladesh; I found Bangladeshis to be much more devout than Pakistanis, every truck, bus, schooter, even cycle riksha had the kalima printed on it. On the other hand, similar vehicles in Pakistan have much more colourful art work. People who like heeramandi are more likely to turn jihadis than those who go to Data Durbar.

#207 Posted by dost_mittar on August 18, 2008 4:44:18 am


it but to most devout muslims, their religion means its five pillars which are devoid of any political content.


huh? If I understand you correctly, you're saying devout muslims stay out of the politics shit...

ahmedmadani#199:

Good morning to you, too, sir.

Long tme ago, I read a very funny book by British-Hungarian writer, George Mikes, in which he made satirical commentaries on various nations. The one on Germans was entitled "Deutschland uber alles", the German anthem which means "Germany above all"; it referred to the patriotism of Germans who put their country above everything else. My use here signifies that for Indian politicians, it is politics above all, nation be damned.

pinku#187:

Islam has a strong political element in it but to most devout muslims, their religion means its five pillars which are devoid of any political content.

Kashmir is real stupidity created by the JLN and congress people. It is the greatest burden on India. Either it should have been integrated with India, with chinese policy...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Columnists/Swaminathan_A _Aiyar/Swaminomics/Independence_Day_for_Kashmir/articleshow/3372132.cms

testicularji wrote

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#187 "good ideas from Hinduism"

and what exactly are these?
"
Pinkuji you can wake up the sleeping dog but not the pretending one!

Name a civilization which allowed to settle and prosper persecuted people such as Syrian Christians, Jews and Zarotrostian, testicularji.

Sarve Sukhinah Bhavantu ... Pinkuji please throw at this dog bones from our civilization-al treasure.

But I feel "word" especially in alien tongue and rooted in alien distant culture is the worst idol. If humans go through the experience/living/effort of creating an idol then it gets divinified. Since Shanti was forced because of slavery, economic and political exploitation the "wordy book" idol was never rediscovered/recreated by individual Shantic convert's efforts. The sweat on the forehead of a farmer and laborer is better indicator of divinity of his creation. Pinkuji, while observing my mother's and wife's elaborate rituals I find this divinifying the idol every day by individual's effort of body-mind-intellect. That is why five times Namazi is always better than intellectual scumBaig. The Namazi would be helped more if Shanti is localized to Marathi, Pandharpur becomes Macca and IIT Mumbai becomes Madina, Shivjayanti becomes Eid and Holi becomes Moharram.

Pinkuji, pardon me somewhere you wrote about "different truths," don't you think truths appear different because of instruments to observe the one and the only one truth? If the instrument is changing ie non-shashwat then we see the Truth in different colors and forms. Human intellect and its power constantly changes because of Vasana/ego so it is not the best instrument for observing Truth. Truth is observed/lived the best when ego is dissolved.

Anyway, for our Shantic testicularji and other bakis the best we can do is to push "afghani dostum in baki rectum. " It's utterly hopeless please see Zaid Hamid's videos.

Ahmedmadani sahib,

even having barbarous neighbour neighbours help.

Who is this barbarous neighbour? I hope you are referring to India 'cos if not, the Talibs are going to come after you.

Location of pakistan is unique and and so get compension

You can get your compensation all right but in turn you will also to export Dr Afia's. I hope you are OK with these terms?

Regards

Re: # 202 Mr. Mujumdar sad fact is Balochistan is full of gas and minerals. That means USA can be flaming situation by allowing BLA type and mr. Bugti openly lives in A.Stan he can not do if USA decides.
Gas is important but but ironically even having barbarous neighbour neighbours help. We have no gas but we have A.Stan which is like gas field to be exploited. A.Stan is like a gold mine and american are struck there and so just like gas export money Pakistan is entrace to A.Stan and who ever wants to go with army need to pay Pakistan. Money is money. Now you can understand what Jinnah to Musharaff talking of unique geographical position. In wars location of everything as one american said Pakistan is unsinkable carrier against soviet Union . Location of pakistan is unique and and so get compension , that just like having gas fields.

Ahmedmadani sahib,

wonder Kashmiri are not doing like that ?

1. There are no gas field in Kashmir.
2. Kashmir imports power from rather than export to rest of India.

Hope that explains, sir.

Regards

All boil down to power. Russia moved its forces in Georgia and was able to achieve , If we were strong militarily same way Pakistani Tanks would have moved and liberated. Once mr. Pavo said is right spitist forces won if backed by big powers. Same way China suppress muslims but nobody says words. Life is not fair for many people.
But if Pakistani Nation really puts mind 200% things can change. Once problems are solved internally and western/ northern front war is won then can concentrate on eastern front in general and Kashmir in particular. It is long running mile match , those who have great threshod of pain and long term view patience will kashmir. Both India/pak. are are troubled by centrifugal forces. So the country will survive which can develop more centripetal force than centrifugal. In both cases economic interest is binding force to be in respective federation. B.Stan and Kashmir/part are both want to go different way and both govt are behaving differently. In balochistan irregular armed forces are blowing raiways, electric pylons, gas lines wonder Kashmiri are not doing like that ?
Just wonder. Is american invisible hand stirring fire in both cases ?

Mr. Z... How much Cigar costs in USA. And how much regular cigarettes cost. ( I have heard 20 units per pack is correct ?). Cigar only smoked by rich elites only ? Is it like Mercidez driving , status symbol?
Is State express 555 smoking are also status in North America?
Just curious about things in USA.
Good morning

Re: # 186 DM..... Good Morning.
Why you used "German" word Uber ? What is something special meaning or under current or is it American or Canadian slang.
With best Regards

Mr. Masadi: Thank you for your kind consideration. You are indeed a patient scholar to whom illiterates like me can look up to for enlightenment and right-guidance.

With regard to your kind offer to translate, what exactly is this mysterious form of worship that you find embedded in my posts: "..now you can return to your white man worship."? Is this white man Massa Mills, perchance, whose humble messenger you are? And am i supposed to recite
"There is no god but Massa Mills, and Masadi is his prophet" when I worship?

Free Kashmir!

In #194 read "While comparing phenomena, try to keep consistency in units of analysis.