It's Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India

#193 Tahmed sahib, sorry to have confused you, let me assure you that it was not deliberate. If some portions of my post are not clear, please let me know and I will try my best to clarify them.

Enjoy your day,

TNI Masadi

Arjun writes "None of these things are new

robbing
raping
murder

and yet the US government(and US elite) are unable to stop themm..'

Arjun sahib, Thank you for your kind and generous observation. However your observation comparing the sum total of rape, murder, robbery to a particular (type of) incident of murder/suicide whose alleged proponents were being tracked by the US authorities is quite disingenuous. Try to keep consistency in units of analysis. The 'not new' point is not emphasised by Muslims but by excuse mongers among the US administration to cover their preceived failure saying that such acts they could not have anticipated, which is an obvious lie.

The most advanced analysis of the 9/11 case as US government conspiracy has not come from Muslims but from concerned American citizens themselves. While the US government is in the business of preventing and protecting attacks on the homeland by foreign enemies, law enforcement is usually not in the business of prevention by active intervention because they do not have a NORAD like system in place that detects robberies, murders and rapes....

Have a nice day,

TNI Masadi

Masadi: Congratulations on learning a foreign language. Is this greek you are writing in today? Could you please translate this into plain english so non-scholars like myself?

#191 Posted by masadi on August 17, 2008 2:03:37 pm


The not so ingeneous idea of using civilian aircraft as weapons was not new or novel


None of these things are new

robbing
raping
murder

and yet the US government(and US elite) are unable to stop themm..

It's funny how even the pakis who say they're not jihadis push the 9/11 conspiracy theory...with muslims as the victims...

Tahmed writes "zeemax #173 no doubt the hijackers caught the US with its guard down on 9/11. NORAD was built and operated to look for missiles and bombers flying into US from outside, not airliners straying off course within the US. And NORAD was in fact alerted within reasonable time - I myself saw the rare event of a military jet fly low above where I was soon "


Salam and greetings of peace Tahmad sahib. How are you doing this fine sunny day? How is retired life treating you? Seen any low flying jets lately?

I see that you are again trying to downplay the fact that the US administration with its bucket full of tools stood down on 9/11, facilitating the "attacks" at the very least. Norad is not such a "dumb" system as you are implying. The not so ingeneous idea of using civilian aircraft as weapons was not new or novel, and the effects of aircraft hitting tall buildings had also been studied before. Once NORAD had a very good idea of what was going on, it still stood down. According to the 9/11 report of the US govt's commission, chance after chance was missed to stop the attacks, making the US authorities at the very least guilty through criminal neglect, what happened thereafter told everyone that knowing what was going on the US govt as facilitator allowed, what amounted to be a major opportunity for its evil designs around the globe (Iraq being just one such case), 9/11 to happen.

Thank you for your time, now you can return to your white man worship. Have a good day,

TNI masadi

zeemax #183 20 years from now, if not sooner, al qaeda will be a footnote in history. like the Red Brigade of the 1960's, or the Thugs of India of the 19th century.

because it requires a genius to build, and any fool can destroy.

and only a fool thinks a civilization is big buildings - germany and japan lost thousands of buildings and other infrastructure, and yet came back stronger than ever.

#187 "good ideas from Hinduism"

and what exactly are these?

add to #187 Posted by pinku


[[There are two differences, first is of degree and second is the scope. Both the lies and the ego created by those lies have global scope for Islam and carry weight of "words of God".]]

the word of God is the third difference compared to most other beliefs except Christianity.

re #179 Posted by dost_mittar on August 17,

dost mittar,

[[To a non-believer, this would be true of any person with faith, including the followers of Sai Baba. ]]


There are two differences, first is of degree and second is the scope. Both the lies and the ego created by those lies have global scope for Islam and carry weight of "words of God".

Sai baba stuff doesn't try to rule all of world, they don't have any "words" of Sai baba that says you need to fight all non-believers or have to rule the whole world or all other truths are invalid except theirs. They may want to increase their numbers but again not because Sai-baba has given them written "words" by making them believe they are words of God. Rest you can do a survey to know how many muslims can confess even in private that those words are not "words of God". Here Murad-Baig is above billion others.

Let me know if you want to discuss this further, I can clarify this difference with more exmaples. I simply don't like people trivializing the factual difference by saying that all other religions can be considered similarly.

Everybody is both good and bad the difference is between degrees. And nope, it is false to say that good or bad are arbitrary, you can say so till you don't know what good or bad is. and you won't be able to argue for long.

The moment you set an objective (that too can't be set arbitrarily), you have a direction. There are infinite truths in this world, no one truth can negate others they simply give clear contexts for their own validity. If one negates the other one of them is false. Goodness is the ability to be more in sync with these truths (or to move towards that sync) and badness is to help conflict with truths. The problem with Islam is that it creates fake truths which are even in confict with uninversal truths and it is in conflict with majority of the universal truths. It has maximum conflict any religion has with universal truths. That is its dgree of badness. Lies and deception and use of all means by a large part of humanity that too to support worst possible ideas is a curse on humanity. If Christianity used to be like that then during those times it was also a curse to humanity. If hinduism was like that for even 10 years it was a curse then, but Islam in its current form and psychology seems to be longest living curse


Kashmir is a land problem. Anybody who lived in KLashmir or will live in Kashmir is a kashmiri, including those hindus that have been thrown out. Including those Brahmins who thousand years ago settled in Kashmir and were forefathers of both the Budhdhist that follwed and these muslim converts. These Kashmiris are not root of problem. The problem is land that Islam needs. Remember root of Kashmiriyat is not Islam but good ideas from Hinduism.

Even if you kill all Kashmiris you have currently, the problem will still remain. The fact is thare is no way you can solve this land problem related to Islam, doesn't matter whether you solve middle-east problem or Kashmir proplem or not. They are neither first nor will be last.

sadna:

Thanks for correction. I was somehow under the impression that Mehbooba, being the party leader, was also the CM.

d_m
I meant to mention. It was Mufti Mohammed Syed the father, who was CM, not the daughter, Mehbooba Mufti. Congress had more seats but since the PDP insisted, the Mufti became CM first, not Ghulam Nabi Azad.

#174,

Roachmail, roachmail. hindoo_monkey@roachmail.com.

I don't respond to roachmails, as you may have found.

But I know piss drinkers like roaches have no ghairat in the least.

#180 Posted by tahmed32,

Okay now this is going into the entire conspiracy theory. But whose conspiracy? No one knows. I don't claim to know.

What height the planes were flying? Forget it.

I only know one thing. Whoever did 9/11 was so brilliant that he/she will manufacture and take over a World Government, by hook or by crook. That guy was a Genius.

DM,
I gave you the reference before too. Its on my other computer and shall post it. The Hindu right was certainly for doing away with Kashmir. This is a sign of growing radicalism.
Secularism, Liberalism a la Jatti etc is just a facade.

#176 Posted by ijaz_gul on August 17, 2008 6:52:20 am


The issue is the the most important party is Kashmiris.


Sorry..that's not how it works...the "kashmiris" don't get a veto..the will of the indian people, as expressed by their parliament, is what's most important..The indian parliament may pay lip service for now but when push comes to shove, there's a bipartisan consensus..when robin raphael, boucher's predecessor in foggy bottom, said kashmir was a disputed region, the indian parliament stuck it to her by passing a resolution declaring kashmir part of india..

the bottom line is that there is nothing capable of changing the status quo in kashmir...not the jihadis, not the pakis...The US or the west is clearly not on your side...they're not going to piss around with india for something that doesn't benefit them...

zeemax #173 no doubt the hijackers caught the US with its guard down on 9/11. NORAD was built and operated to look for missiles and bombers flying into US from outside, not airliners straying off course within the US. And NORAD was in fact alerted within reasonable time - I myself saw the rare event of a military jet fly low above where I was soon after watching live the terrible event of the twin towers collapsing.

Given the sky-high bar of evidence you have set in seeking to be convinced about al qaeda, I am surprised to see the virtually no bar that you set in reaching the conclusion that it was the girls' parents who themselves destroyed their children's schools!! Having been involved with NGO schools in Pakistan for over a quarter century now and seen how much effort people have put into building those schools - I can assure you that those poor people saw these schools as the best hope for their children. So, do you have any video evidence showing parents of these children gloating about destroying those schools? And how many schools (other than training centers for terrorists) did al qaeda build?