It's Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India

pinku#160:

"What Islam does is, it forces illusion and lies on you, when you live with them for long you get attached to them and your intelect is not even allowed to work against this ego."

To a non-believer, this would be true of any person with faith, including the followers of Sai Baba.

Ijaz#176:

"The issue is the the most important party is Kashmiris."

Maybe now, but back then there were only two parties, India and Pakistan. Even in the UN resolutions, Kashmiris were to be given only two choices - India or Pakistan, there was no other choice.

ijaz_gul:

" Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of the article, the President may, by public notification, declare that this article shall cease to be operative or shall be operative only with such exceptions and modifications and from such date as he may notify:

Provided that the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State referred to in clause (2) shall be necessary before the President issues such a notification."


This seems to be a legalese to satisfy two opposing viewpoints. The use of "notwithstanding" would seem to over-ride everything else; at the same time "Provided" adds a qualification to it.

But I also note that there is a reference to the state constituent assembly. I believe that such an assembly may have been formed in 1951 but does not exist any more.

But your understanding of the viewpoint of the Hindu Right is not correct. Although Patel is rumoured to have proposed a swap of Hyderabad for Kashmir to Liaqat Ali (which he apparently rejected), the Hindu Right wanted to continue the Kashmir Operation until all of Kashmir was with India; indeed, they have never forgiven Nehru for calling the ceasefire and taking the Kashmir issue to the UN.

arjun,
The issue is the the most important party is Kashmiris.

#168 Posted by ijaz_gul on August 16, 2008 10:59:20 pm

Stop deluding yourself...the indian government can yank 370 the minute it wants...nothing in the constitution prevents them from doing that..it'll only happen when all parties agree..they're not doing it now because there's no reason to do it right away...and then there's the whole pandering to muslims things..

#173 Posted by zeemax on August 17, 2008 5:21:26 am


I would have actually preferred some proof on how Usama Bin Ladin managed to evade NORAD over Manhattan twice in less than 20 minutes with two hijacked wide-body airliners


inbred retard....are you going to ask any questions of your own or are you just going to recycle BS from loose change?

#172 Posted by tahmed32,

Alright. so it's established you have video proof, reinforced with circumstantial evidence. Nothing else.

That's OK. You have plenty of company.

I would have actually preferred some proof on how Usama Bin Ladin managed to evade NORAD over Manhattan twice in less than 20 minutes with two hijacked wide-body airliners, and again over Pentagon with a third one an hour later when all was red alert and the two towers were already dust. But, never mind.

Re "the fact is that in pitched battles the taliban are no match for the pakistani forces - lacking air cover, lacking big guns, armored vehicles, training, and now - with the democratic government in charge - the legitimacy of being a national army. Pakistani soldiers dont need to hide behind civilians - it is the taliban and al qaeda who hide in caves, popping their heads in public briefly like Saddam used to do to pretend they are in power and then quickly hide when the military comes after them."

That's wordy and emotional.

Regular armies need cover when faced with rebels coming out from 'caves' in the dark. It is Standard Operating Procedure to take over the Government structures from which to operate. More than a hundred of them in Swat alone - convenient. That's Military SOP and I don't oppose it. But then, the enemy will blow up those structures wherever they find them.

It's got nothing to do with Girls' education. These people have been educating their daughters in the same schools since these were established. Now they have to blow them up.

zeemax: Contrary to what you say - video is in fact widely used as admissible evidence in court. And like all evidence, the authenticity of the video is determined by the circumstances surrounding which the video was made. And there is plenty of evidence in addition to the video (e.g. motivations, interviews, and so forth).

And I am not obfuscating when I refer to the burning of girls schools - the fact is that in pitched battles the taliban are no match for the pakistani forces - lacking air cover, lacking big guns, armored vehicles, training, and now - with the democratic government in charge - the legitimacy of being a national army. Pakistani soldiers dont need to hide behind civilians - it is the taliban and al qaeda who hide in caves, popping their heads in public briefly like Saddam used to do to pretend they are in power and then quickly hide when the military comes after them.

So - the fact is that tens of girls schools and even colleges have been burnt by these rogues, and thousands of young people who had hoped to secure a better future through education are now sitting at home while youth around the world have schools to go to. It does not take a genius to realize the extent of the damage these scoundrels whom you take so much pains to defend have done to the same muslims whom they claim to represent!!

Re Roachmails about Fallujah:

The Fallujah rebellion started the insurgency which has still not ended, resulting in preventing control of Iraq by the Americans despite trying for six years. Entire Fallujah was destroyed in the process, and thousands killed - yes.

Americans should never have used that girls school if they had any sense to succeed in Iraq.

Remember how the fallujah "rebellion" ended? the marines sent a couple of thousand jihadis to allah's strip clib...


:-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_naVAiFByxw

yeh saala arabonse badhakar arab hain.

this kind of explains how bakis lie thru their teeth with all the emotional drama and flowery language. i think that explains charasi allama. why dont you guys work for your own individual salvation and not do all the time chumma to distant umma.

waht is this allama? does allah have mom? was the charasi a female?

what history do you guys teach? Do you tell how Prithwiraj and DharmaVeer Sambhaji were killed? Do you tell how Gandhi stopped massacre of Shantic folks in bihar and bengal?

arjun friend, I already owe you a ehsan. please add this too.

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#164 Posted by zeemax on August 16, 2008 10:51:35 pm


Remember how the Falluja rebellion started?


Remember how the fallujah "rebellion" ended? the marines sent a couple of thousand jihadis to allah's strip clib...

#163 Posted by ijaz_gul on August 16, 2008 10:45:14 pm


Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of the article, the President may, by public notification, declare that this article shall cease to be operative


Operative clause...

#158 Posted by tahmed32,

burning girls schools ... because there were pakistani soldiers hiding in them ... you chose to disbelieve even the terrorists themselves!!

Even though this is an obvious attempt at obfuscation to avoid the 9/11 proof question, but nevertheless ...

I am not believing 'the terrorists'. I'm believing the PPP Member National Assembly from Matta (Swat), Alauddin who appeared several times on nationwide TV saying Pakistan Army was using schools as bunkers.

This is nothing new. Army obviously uses any available government structure to use instead of sitting under tents in the open as sitting ducks. Remember how the Falluja rebellion started? Americans had taken over a girls school.

Watch 03:10 onwards:

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/31/capital-talk-31-july-2008/