It's Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India

'Article 370 Temporary provisions with respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir'

2. If the concurrence of the Government of the State referred to in paragraph (ii) of sub-clause (b) of clause (1) or in second proviso to sub-clause (d) of that clause be given before the Constituent Assembly for the purpose of framing the Constitution of the State is convened, it shall be placed before such Assembly for such decision as it may take thereon.

3. Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of the article, the President may, by public notification, declare that this article shall cease to be operative or shall be operative only with such exceptions and modifications and from such date as he may notify:

Provided that the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State referred to in clause (2) shall be necessary before the President issues such a notification.

I hope this clarifies. In fact it is an article that ensures seperatism. My question is, why temporary only for Kashmir? and what of areas India absorbed after 1949?

Its a long legal case I discussed already with Dost Mittar few years ago. Article 370 is based on malafide intentions as was the 1948 Kashmir Resolution. It was based on the insistence of ANC. Ar that time the Hindu Right wanted nothing to do with Kashmir.

Re: # 47

The IUML is a party that represents muslims - a minority, and hence cannot be compared to the BJP, a mainstream party that thrives on MAJORITARIAN politics - a far more dangerous movement. There are several other examples of parties representing small interests, such as the PMK and TDP. Majoritarian, and alarmist politics, gather votes quickly, but have no real ideology oriented to the future.

Re: # 49

This is hardly a national news, and if you want to give it publicity, you will have to give us links.

#157 Posted by tahmed32,

one blurred video? i think there is not one but several videos

There may be a hundred videos. You Sir, being a great and honorable supporter of law and order, would surely not be unaware videos etc are inadmissible as proof in any ordinary court of law, let alone as basis for invading other countries.

Now, my question again. Do you have proof? Just give me one, or admit you have none.

#155 Posted by dost_mittar,

good comment.

Well, I don't normally use terms like "heart", when we are actually talking about mind, but i did, so let me explain.


The scenarios that i gave you show how ego and its inferiority complex can shadow your intellect. A very simple illustration though. By "Heart" I was referring to sub-conscious intellect, Islam rules your ego, not your conscious or sub-conscious intellect.

Eventually, what is important is not hardware of brain, not even its circuits that have acuired capability to process fine logic but the psychological environment that lets it use that processing capability or not. Ego is the iedntity or attachment to anything that blocks you from seeing things properly. It may be something you can not even figure out.

What Islam does is, it forces illusion and lies on you, when you live with them for long you get attached to them and your intelect is not even allowed to work against this ego.

It is similar to what happenes to animals, if you chain them by thin rope since their young age, they won't try to break free when they become adult and capable of breaking that rope. They won't try, this rope is now part of their environment, their collective identity.

bakiTeesara,

little lies you spread little lies they spread for their (IBN) masters in London and DC.

Aug. 16 is a lie:


By Deepika Mitra
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Posted 19 June 2008 @ 09:47 pm GMT

It's high time Shantic folks needs to be paid "Dostum in Rectum" way to defend India and its civilization. Ask your self why Tehelkas are having their meets in London. What Balasaheb conveyed is common sense to all.

to correct myself - you are not being fooled by terrorists (who make no apologies for 9/11, no bones about burning girls schools, or for their numerous attacks on pakistanis or for their blatant attempts at taking advantage of pakistan's political crisis to try and carve out a bit of pakistan for themselves). you chose to disbelieve even the terrorists themselves!!

zeemax #119 one blurred video? i think there is not one but several videos from al qaeda taking responsibilty for 9/11. i mentioned one such video i saw only a month or so ago on geo - where the pakistani man refused to accept even al qaeda's proud claim to have perpetrated 9/11 (saying basically that the al qaeda rep was lying in order to gain some advantage!!).

when the first girls school was blown up in swat, i recall urstruly saying this was probably because there were pakistani soldiers hiding in them. now that scores of schools have been burnt or blown up - what is the excuse?

you may chose to be fooled by terrorists. but the rest of the world is not fooled by them.

Re: # 152
from

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TIMES
India | Saturday, 16 August 2008
Reported by: Deepika Mitra

pinku#149:

"Islam try to rule over land not hearts of people."

The rest of your post could be used as an exhibit to show how Islam rules the hearts of its people, namely the Muslims. It is never supposed to rule the hearts of non-muslims; if anything it is supposed to strike terror in their hearts until they accept its supremacy.

satyamvada#144:

I saw your video. And while this guy may be extreme, the very fact that he is allowed to speak like that on Pakistan TV shows that there is a sizeable receptive audience for such talke. Now, do you want people listening to such tapes to be part of your country?

satyamvada#145:

Mao was not a disciple of Confucius and his teachings were banned during much of the communist rule. It is only recent that Confucius is being rehabilitated in China and rapidly so. So, it is quite possible that China will be a harmonious society twenty years from now.

Re: # 151

"Fight fire with fire," is what Shiv Sena supremo Bal Thackeray meant to say when he urged Hindus to form suicide squads to take on the Muslims suicide squads. However, his rhetorics bombed when both the secular Congress as well as political allies the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the RSS criticized him for his insensitive remark.


In an editorial in Saamna, Shiv Sena's mouthpiece, Thackeray said a "Hindu bomb" was needed to counter the "Muslim bomb." Thackeray's rhetorics was related to the bomb attacks in theaters in Thane, Vashi and Panvel earlier this month and the subsequent arrests of those suspected to be involved in planting the bombs. While the police managed to defuse the bomb planted in Vashi in time, bombs exploded in Thane and Panvel, injuring several people.


Initial police investigations revealed that the suspects belonged to the Sanatan Sanstha and the Hindu Jana Jagriti Samiti outfits.


Though the Hindu radical outfits have denied having any hand in the bomb attacks, yet, investigations revealed that the attacks were targeted against a controversial Marathi play Aamhi Pachpute, which was being staged in Thane and Vashi and was ridiculing Hindu deities. The attack on the Panvel theater was targeted at the screening of the movie Jodhaa Akbar, which, some Hindu hardliners claimed, portrayed the Hindu community in poor light.


Criticizing the two outfits, Thackeray said the two Hindu bodies should have "held talks with the playwright or the director on the vexed points" instead of orchestrating "ridiculous and stupid" bomb attacks that left several Hindus injured.


Thackeray said he was "happy" that the bombs were made by Hindus, but was saddened by the fact that innocent Hindus were injured. He also criticized the attackers for planting such a weak bomb. "No one but a Hindu could be responsible for a bomb that caused such little injury and was such a wasteful enterprise," he said.


"Think big," the Shiv Sena chief said. "[You] should prepare to meet the bigger task of combating Islamic fundamentalism."


"A Marathi bank clerk will lose his job by indulging in small-time misappropriation. If you want to practice corruption, then be a Ketan Parekh or a Harshad Mehta," he said.


"The need of the hour is to plant a strong bomb in Bangladeshi bastis (slums) that have mushroomed in Thane and elsewhere in Maharashtra," Thackeray said.


"The threat of Islamic terror in India is rising. The only way Islamic terror can be tackled was by unleashing Hindu terror. It is time to set up Hindu suicide squads to ensure safety of the Hindu society and to protect the nation," the firebrand leader said, quoting Manusmriti to prove his point: "Retaliate if under attack. Whether your father or a learned Brahmin attacks you, an attack is an attack."


"The Hindus were safe during the Mughal invasion only because the Maratha warrior Shivaji had the courage to raise his swords against them," he added.


However, Thackeray's rhetorics did not go down well with powerful BJP ally, which condemned his remark.


According to BJP vice president M. Venkaiah Naidu, Thackeray should be reasonable as the people "should not take law into their hands."


It's duty of the government to counter terror. There are more democratic methods to address the problem of terrorism," Naidu said.


Advising Thackeray to abide by the rule of law, Naidu said BJP believes in principles of "democracy and the Constitution."


Hindu nationalist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) also condemned Thackeray's inflammatory remarks, saying Hindu scriptures do not endorse terrorist activities or violence.


Congress also slammed the hardline Hindu party, saying the comments made by Thackeray were "subversive, anti-national and prejudicial to the secular fabric of the nation."


"The Congress strongly condemns the remarks said to have been made by Mr. Bal Thackeray with regard to the formation of suicide squads. This is a clear call not only to lawlessness and violence but will be also the death knell of peaceful democracy," Congress spokesperson Jayanthi Natarajan said.


"We condemn this irresponsible remark and reject it with contempt," she said.


Meanwhile, Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh, though not directly condemning Thackeray's comments, said the arrest of the alleged terrorists belonging to the Hindu outfits proved that "criminals don't belong to any religion."


ABOUT SHIV SENA


Shiv Sena (Shiva's Army) is a Hindu right-wing extremist party that was linked in the past to waves of mob violence in Maharashtra and held power in Bombay from 1995 to 2000.


Under the garb of nationalism, Shiv Sena has long advocated attacks against minority communities like Muslims and recently was in the news for attempting to stir up native pride by demanding that more should be done to promote the rights of "local" people in the state rather than "outsiders" and threatening to oust the immigrants from the state.

Re: # 89
Tahmed, you can take my silence to indicate it was late night in Australia. I still do not believe the BJP plantd those bombs. People like Dm don't need any proof when it comes to the BJP, but want proof of guilt every time it is a terrorist act committed by radical Islamist groups.

"Only option is to live the way Taliban wants you to live."

Huh. How did you reach that conclusion, pinku?!

It's right to say that Muslims - no matter where and how they live - are committed to Islam and to its success over others, but there is no one type of Islam they all subscribe to. In fact, they will constantly fight among themselves, in their own ways, to establish their specific type of Islam.

That Taliban type of Islam is so visible is merely because "Taliban-type" of Muslims are willing to fight the hardest and the longest for their Islam.

The extraordinarily high degree of intelllect used around such political topics seems to suggest as if these issues are of divine nature.

Kashmir is a land issue not political issue. Islam try to rule over land not hearts of people.

Many people will be surprised that how come intelligent and educated Indian muslims like Murad Baig can say that Kashmir should get indepenence but will not be able to answer, "why they think so?".

It is simple, these people have learned a lot from environment, their mind can understand what is right or wrong but they can not still side with anything other than Islam. And Islam doesn't care about right/wrong or anything else. It knows only one thing: expansion in terms of land and number of people.

Let's talk about Indian muslims who would like Kashmir to be separated and see why they think so???

Scenario-1
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So imagine this scnario, say you tell Murad Baig (and other muslims Dost Mittar mentioned) that muslims in India will be butchered if you separate Kashmir and will have second or third class citizenship forever once that happens. Still they will say that Kashmir should go away. Why? because first and most important things is land, Islam needs it badly. People they can produce in any number whenever they want. So answer is because internally they feel it helps Islam.


Scenario-2
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Say you ask such muslims that only Kashmir's land is given to Islam and a Islamic state is created but those Kashmiris are absorbed in India, would you be happy? They will say yes. Because Islam got the land:-)

Now you should do it after doping them with some drug so you can get honest answers.

The reason:
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Most people do not understand the reason. They are troubled how an intelligent indian muslim can think so, and even if he can think how come he doesn't feel shame in saying so? Dost Mittar is a little confused he feels if he was an Indian muslim he would have said Kashmir should remain with India (he would have felt asamed that being an Indian and a muslim you can ask separation based on Islam).

What DOst Mitar doesn't understand is that unless you confront your coplexes the intellect never helps. So an inteligent person can have even a high degree of a complex than a not so intelligent one. Such intelligent muslims do not have superiority coplex. They have a a very high inferiority complex. This bounds their ego and they sub-consciously want to help Islam, which is their group ego. Now if Islam represent more bad things than good, they will end up helping bad things, doesn't matter how good they themselves want to be.

Future:
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If people like dost-mittar simply side with such things on the basis of "see they will never accept, they are muslims, they need separate land, if they live together", then you are loooking for more future surprises.

Based on the psychology I have given, the intelligent biased muslims are capable of supporting much more dangerously wrong decisions and the group ego of Islam can never be satisfied. Only option is to live the way Taliban wants you to live. And everybody people in Europe/USA should then live like that.

Re: # 74; tahmed sahib

nb .... a BJP fanatic??? ..... who would have thought eh?!