Musharraf and Me

Re: # 28
Majumder...
Any political process, at least, involves common illiterate people. At least, they get the option to choose worse amongst worst....

#31 nkg: no man is an angel (or a devil either). but at any given time, a man is taking the right stand on an issue or he is not. I could argue (e.g. on the basis of what I say in #32) on behalf of the CJ on the first coup - but will not. I will however argue, as I have been, on behalf of the CJ on his historical and courageous stand in the second coup.

nkg/majumdar: agreed that for the military to have to be called in to defend the Constitution would have to be a very rare event indeed. in it's 2 centuries plus years, the US has not had to call out the military for this purpose, for example. but then - no president of the US ever sent ghoondas to storm the Supreme Court as Nawaz Sharif had done back in the 1990's. nevertheless, i am simply relating a fact when i say that every military official in the US (as in Pakistan, and I am sure in other countries too) is required to take this oath to "defend the constitution". In Pakistan's case, this was the basis given by the Supreme Court to give an indemnity to Musharraf in his first coup (against the PM).

Re: # 30
Tahmed...
Oh, what this angel(C J) was doing, when Musa usurped power in 1999?

#27 hamidm: it is no doubt impossible for you to imagine someone not grabbing any moolah offered to him, but think about this:

if the Chief Justice had wanted, he could have had more wealth by simply rubber stamping musharraf's illegal "second term" than anything zardari can give him.

so, while i know that the average IQ of a tinpot lota is 0, that of a lota-man is definitely in way up there in the low teens. So use that fine brain that God gave you...

Re: # 23
Tahmed...
Then what for police force is maintained?

Kamath....
Most of the people in this part of world (Pakis may be little worse than Indians) are stupid and emotional fools. When Indira Gandhi died, people without knowing much, voted for Congress. Logically, what ability Rajiv Gandhi showed to be fit for the topmost post, during 1984 elections? But Rajiv wave wiped entire country, even the cities (I am not talking about cow belt alone).
During 1989 election, Rajiv Gandhi was kind of universal villain. I have not seen any prime minister so maligned, not even PVN...

Tahmed sahib,

#20, #23

I am surprised to read this. Politicians are no angels and are bound once in a while to make a mess of things. Would you again welcome a coup then?

Regards

Re: # 26

mad masadi,

.... don't fret, the droopy eyed cj and his gaggle of worthless pco-1 judges will be restored ..... they might have to take a oath of allegience to zardari and his gang of thieves, but it is a small price to pay for a plush residence in the margalla foothills ..... zardari will also make sure that they are spayed or castrated before they ascend the bench, but knowing the history of the judiciary i wouldn't be surprised it they feature prominently in the next coup ...........

...... the more things change, the more they remain the same ..... my biggest regret is that i did not convert the rupee into the almighty dollar ...... sloth is the biggest sin

Delirium "Now what ? "

Now the exit of Nawaz Sharif from the lawyer's movement, and thus a major blow to it, such has been the strategy of the establishment. Let us see if it pans out....

Tahmed sahib,

The military has nothing to do with "defending the constitution", these sly gaps open up the path for military interference in the affairs of the state, in which it has no business whatsoever. "Defending the constitution" implies that it stay out of state affairs and fulfils its role of defending the borders and staying in the barracks, B & B. People brought up in the Pakistan military tradtion of meddling in state affairs, like yourself don't get that.

Have a good day,

TNI Masadi

p.s: And Pakistan is not the US neither is it supposed to be a colony of the US (though as objective fact it is), so no need to bring the objects of your worship up as "standard setters" every opportunity you get. Have some shame and self respect.....

Sincerely stated,

TNI Masadi

Not that many of his actions can be justified but atleast the man had the guts to resign. Perhaps he did sometimes mean "Sub sey pehle Pakistan".

Now what ?

Another rift within the coalition to capture the presidency ?

#22 the military is required as part of its constitutional duty to defend the constitution in Pakistan (as in the US, e.g.). so, such an action per se is not undemocratic, as you think.

LOL.."people were right then because NS had made the mistake of choosing an undemocratic path..."

hahahahaha

so they welcomed the most undemocratic of paths to remove the undemocratic path....hahahahah

Re: # 19

Naqshbandi Sahib

Last days of Musharraf were not so honorable, he had many chances to walk away with some dignity but chose not to, thus the public jubilation at his departure. Sad but true.

As for the talibanization, it prospered under Musharraf, a direct result of his erroneous policies pampering the mulla brigade to keep himself in government. This policy has been the state policy for the last thirty years but was elevated to new heights under Mushy. Will it change? As long as we have gringo breathing down our necks in the west these policies of promoting talibanization are doomed.

stuka #18 i think i already explained this in #14 when i wrote "was that mush did not respect his own word and backed off - and so steadily lost popular support."

people were right then in welcoming the coup, and people are right now in welcoming the end of musharraf.

people were right then because NS had made the mistake of choosing an undemocratic path, and gave mush the benefit of the doubt when he said he would call fresh elections. they are right now because NS has taken the democratic path in 2007, while musharraf betrayed the benefit of the doubt that was given to him then.

now, that wasnt so hard to understand, was it? :-)

i am actually feeling quite sad at his resignation. he was an honourable enough man to resign. now the looteray are going to rob the country dry again. we will rue this just as musharraf will be rueing why he took off his uniform...

Allah help Pakistan (and save it from the talibanisers!)