Ahmed Faraz: The Light Stays

tahmed writes "Proof that losers like atif and guru feed on one another promoting animosities among people. There must be a name for this mental disease that afflicts guru and atif types!!"

And proof that hypocrites like tahmed judge everything through the the bias that is guided by their Church of WMW, and whoever is not filtered through its "holy" lens is dumped on day and night...

Tahmed sahib, how are you doing? Baal bacha? Khana peena? Jaagna soona? etc

TNI Masadi

fuirther to #45, there is an urdu name for this disease - its called Chawalitis.

#39 so, BJ2 writes something positive on chowk, and Atif disses him. Guru is happily using his freedom on the internet to abuse, and this man is silent.

Proof that losers like atif and guru feed on one another promoting animosities among people. There must be a name for this mental disease that afflicts guru and atif types!!

jhoot aur sach main ye hi farak hai, sach bacha raha jata hai apne dum par, aur oose dhoondne ka koi tareeka bhi...

aur jhoot, joothe logon ke sahare jeeta hai..


There are infinite ways of finding a truth and truth never dies

marna to tha sab ko, par kon kon mara gaya??

aur kyon??

abey baki sach,


vo kaise bhi bacha raha jata hai, vo hai... dikhe na dikhe mile na mile. Aur bas ek hi cheek oose samajh sakti hai, hamara ghatiya dimaag... baki kutch nahin..

100 saaal????

bas uske baad hum main se koi nahin:-)

Baki bacha kya???

hamare do;-) aur char, ya phir puri barat,,, par hum nahin.....



Khud hi nahin, to khudi kya aur khuda kya????
aur baki agal-bagal jo dikh raha, vo bhi kya??



baki kya???

BJ Kumar [They represent a resource for human beings at large and – like a fountain which only happens to sprout from any one location ]

well the ONE fountain you seem to plagiarize frequently from is also known as Farzana Versey

Baki kya???

Kagaj pe kalam se
Harf likhte bante nahin
Jindgi ki halchalain?
Hain, magar dikhti nahin
So gaye se din hain
Dard ke aalam main?
Dard ki vajah koi?
Hai, magar milti nahin

Koi khudi main mar raha
Kisi-ko khud hi ka na pata
Jage huae se logon ke
dil jage se dikhte nahin
Makkari hai har taraf
Hai har koi khud se juda
Log hain, cheej hain, par..
Kutch hai, jo ab baki nahin.

Guruji ke belahf be ye Ahmad Faraj ko shradhdhanjali..... time-pass type..


Par baat ye hai doston, ki sabse badi baat vo hai jo aap samajhna nahin chahate.... aur jo aapki agli generation ko samsjhni padegi...... vo ke hai????

balkon, kitni bhi angreji padh lo, kitni bhi kavita, nazm likh lo, kitne bhi million bana lo, kitne bhi bachche bana lo, bada hone ke liye jo chahiye vo in sabse muskil cheej hai.....

phir kya hai badi baat?????

ha ha, mere ko nahin pata, aur agar pata hai to abhi nahin bataoonga...

badi baat hai badappan hona??

vo kai hai???

pata nahin....


badappan alag alag cheejon main alag alag sa dikhega,
par asal main vo bas ek cheej hai........


here it is:


Feel as responsible as God himself may feel to support and spread truths



Badappan jimmedari hai, sabse badi jimmedari hai sach ko support karna, usko badhava dena..

baki sab chote bachchon ki badi baatin hain, vo bhi important hain apni jagaha apne samay....


So nanho munnon, sabse bada baddapan jimmedari hai, aur sabse badi jimmedari hai sach ka saath dena. Each time you support truth, your mind gets closer to the mind of God. Don't be in conflict with truth.


Get rid of religions....:-) and don't think it is less important, all that i said above was a propaganda for innocent kids to accept this.... :-):-)

Great poets, like great artists of any other kind, do not belong to one community, one region, or any one people. They represent a resource for human beings at large and – like a fountain which only happens to sprout from any one location but is not limited by the same and which gets characterized solely on the basis of the refreshing quality of the water that it produces – and not by who makes a claim to it! My condolences to the countless individuals that Mr. Faraz surely touched through his words - who now feel a loss to their lives due to his departure!

The following poem of his is off the internet and is entitled “Ranjish Hi Sahi�.

Ranjish Hi Sahi

Ranjish hi sahi dil hi dukhaanay kay liyay aa
aa phir say mujhay chhorr kay jaanay kay liyay aa
pehlay say maraasim na sahi phir bhi kabhi to
rasm-o-rahay duniya hi nibhaanay kay liyay aa
kis kis ko bataayengay judaai kaa sabab ham
tu mujh se khafaa hai to zamaanay kay liyay aa
kuchh to meri pindaar-e-mohabbat ka bharam rakh
tu bhi to kabhi mujh ko manaanay kay liyay aa
ek umr say hun lazzat-e-giryaa se bhi mehruum
aye raahat-e-jaan mujh ko rulaanay kay liyay aa
ab tak dil-e-khush_feham ko tujh say hain ummeedain
ye aakhari shammain bhi bujhaanay kay liyay aa

Ana Didi and Baki Well Meaning folks!

You have a great task at your hand. For Jammu Jihadi killing you need to collect 8 Crores. It might be a small change for you guys. Add to that 2 crores for taking care of injured. When you raise the glass next time for Ahmed Faraz please leave half the glass empty, and donate money for that amount of booze $s to Ana didi for Jammu cause.

We know your poetic hearts are eagerly waiting in anguish for the latest info on Jammu Jihadi killing. So here it goes:

[From Left] A woman being rescued by Army from the roof of Billoo Ram’s house, an Army JCO who had come on leave to his house from Jaipur and was killed in his auto by the militants and an injured admitted in GMC Jammu.

By Sanjeev Pargal

JAMMU, Aug 27: Eleven persons including three Army jawans, one of them a JCO, five civilians and three militants were killed while six others including three Army personnel, two civilians and a woman were injured as three fidayeens, who had infiltrated in wee hours of yesterday morning from Kanachak sector, managed to hijack a load carrier auto carrying Gujjars along with their milk containers at Gadla, Kanachak this morning and travelled more than 15 kms before taking shelter in a house at Chinore near Bantalab on on old Jammu-Akhnoor road taking nine persons including four children and three women hostage.

The operation, which was completely taken over by Army after initial presence of para-military and police, started at about 7 am and concluded at around 1 am in the midnight tonight. The operation lasted 18 hours.

Two Armymen including a JCO and a Havildar and three civilians were killed before the militants took shelter in the house of one Billoo Ram Bhagat at Chinore at about 6.45 am while two civilians, a Territorial Army jawan and three militants were killed and a woman was injured in the gun-battle inside the house which concluded in the mid-night.

A total of 10 civilians were held hostage by the militants soon after they intruded into the house of Billoo Ram after travelling in an auto from Kanachak to Chinore early this morning. Of them, Billoo’s mother, Veero Devi managed to escape and was rescued by Army in the morning.

Soon after entering inside, militants gunned down a Territorial Army jawan Sham Murari, who had intruded into the house while following the militants, Ashok Kumar, a private teacher who had been putting up as a tenant in the house and Kalu Ram, a neighbour, who had gone to Billoo’s house to inquire his condition as he had suffered a snake bite.

Maj Gen D L Chowdhary, GOC 26 Division told reporters in the mid-night that all other six civilians (Billoo Ram’s wife, Sunita Kumari, his four children, Sheetal Devi, 9 and Kajal, 4, both daughters, Arshit, 5 and Vipan, 3, both sons and Sunita Devi’s brother) were rescued safely.

During the commando operation, in which all three militants were killed, Army didn’t suffer any casualties. All three Army casualties were suffered before the operation actually started.

Sunita Devi’s brother told the newsmen that the militants after killing three persons asked him to hand over one of the child to him. However, he locked himself, his sister and all four children in a room and bolted the room from inside. Sunita was injured in firing by one of the militant at about 10.30 am when he came out to see security situation outside and cause casualties of the Army but was immediately gunned down by the troops.

With a bullet wound in her thigh, she was referred to Government Medical College (GMC), Jammu, tonight after being rescued by the Army. Her condition was out of danger, Medical Superintendent, GMC Dr Romesh Gupta told the Excelsior in the mid-night.

While the first militant was eliminated by the troops around 10.30 am, the second militant was gunned down in a commando operation by Army at around 7 pm. The third ultra was killed by the commandos before 9 pm. However, the operation was declared closed in the mid-night as troops ensured that there was no other militants present inside.

It took the four children more than two hours to come out of the day long trauma they had gone through hearing the sound of gun shots which were often exchanged between Army and militants.

Maj Gen Chowdhary said the presence of more militants after infiltration in Jammu can’t be ruled out. In reply to another question, he added that target of the militants being Wednesday afternoon’s rally of the Sangarsh Samiti was not ruled out.

The children were not allowed to speak to the media as they were yet to come out of the trauma while Sunita’s husband Billoo Ram rushed to hospital for treatment of his wife. Sunita’s brother told reporters that he not bolted the children inside the room the casualty figure would have been much more.

Official sources confirmed that all three militants appeared to be members of suicide squad of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) outfit and were believed to be Pakistanis though their identity hasn’t been established immediately. They were part of the same group which had infiltrated into Indian territory from Kanachak sector on the intervening night of August 25 and 26.

Earlier in the evening, Army pressed Moulvis of its nearby JAK Li unit into service and got an appeal made to the militants through megaphone and Public Address System (PAS) to surrender and release the captives on the ground that Islam didn’t preach keeping the women and children as hostages. Later, two national news channels also spoke to the militants inside the house from New Delhi on mobile telephone of Billoo Ram—9469289726, which was left by Billoo inside when he had come out of the house in the morning. The militants claimed on the telephonic calls that all hostages inside the house including children were safe.

The militants while travelling in a load carrier from village Gadla in Lalyala area of Kanachak, which they had hijacked at 5.30 am after coming out of the bushes they had been hiding for last 30 hours after their infiltration on August 25 night, crossed several Army and police nakas at Kanachak, Mishriwalla, Domana and Machine Domana before reaching Chinore. An Army Subedar (JCO) was killed and three Army jawans were injured when they tried to stop the load carrier auto at two different nakas at Kanachak Dak Bungalow and Domana.

Militants fired at random at other nakas while at entering Chinore they started firing on the civilians killing three more, one of whom was incidentally an Army official who had come to his house on leave and had refused to give militants a lift in his auto as the ultras wanted to change the load carrier they were initially riding in. Other civilians killed in the firing include an ex-serviceman and a youth, who had gone to take milk on his motor-cycle. A civilian died of hear attack in Chinore during the gun-battle. Two other civilians were injured in the firing while a Gujjar, who was thrown out of the auto by militants for protesting their acts, had a narrow escape as he too was shot at. A police constable, Joginder Singh, going for a walk in Chinore was also fired upon but he too survived.

Despite a high alert which security agencies and police claimed to have sounded yesterday after reports of three militants having successfully infiltrated from Kanachak sector making a mockery of BSF’s security apparatus to plug infiltration bids, the militants managed to travel more than 15 kms distance opening firing and killing and injuring Army personnel and civilians.

"This shows the ‘high alert’ on ground displayed by police which couldn’t intercept the auto even at a single naka during more than 15 kms distance from Kanachak to Chinore", a civilian, Krishan Kumar remarked at the site of encounter. Strong resentment was prevailing in Jammu against BSF’s complete failure not only to prevent infiltration attempt but to trace the militants who were reported to have spent nearly 28 hours in bushes along the border before coming out this morning. "The militants managed to cut fencing and intruded inside, stayed at the border for 30 hours despite claims of massive search operations by different security agencies and then moved freely in the areas adjacent to Jammu City. This shows how alert our security agencies are", another civilian, Leela Ram, said.

Official sources and eye-witness account revealed that three militants, who had intruded into this side after cutting barbed wire fencing at about 12.30 am on the intervening night of Monday and Tuesday, came out of the bushes where they had been hiding (after the intrusion) at around 5.30 am this morning and hijacked a load carrier auto No. 5843 JK02C at village Gadla in Lalyala area of Kanachak sector. Two militants took positions on front seat of the auto and one on the back as five to six Gujjars along with their large milk containers were also sitting in back portion of the auto. The militants were wearing ‘khaki’ dresses of police which they had brought with them from Pakistan and were carrying assault rifles, ammunition belts, grenades and some other devices.

The auto was first intercepted by an Army naka outside Kanachak Dak Bungalow where they opened indiscriminate firing injuring two Army jawans identified as Havildar Netar Singh and Sepoy Yashpal, both from Ist JAK Li and forced auto driver Darshan Lal son of Leelu Ram R/o Gadla, Kanachak to move ahead at gun point.

They forced the auto driver to drive towards main Jammu-Akhnoor road where they were again stopped by an Army naka at Mishriwalla. At this naka, no one was injured though the militants fired several shots. At Domana, Army officials signaled the auto to stop but both the militants sitting on front seat again fired indiscriminately killing Naib Subedar (JCO) VVK Parkashan on spot. An Army jawan Sepoy Pal Panion of 61 Field Regiment chased the auto on a civilian’s motor-cycle but he too was shot at by the militants and injured seriously.

Sources said a Gujjar identified as Mohd Shabir tried to grapple with the militant sitting on back portion of the auto in a bid to snatch his weapon. The militant threw him out of the vehicle near Domana and opened firing on him but he survived the shots.

The militants then took the route of Bawa Talab-Raipur from Machine, Domana and reached Keran Patian where the auto stopped. The auto driver, Darshan Lal, told the militants that it won’t move ahead in view of sharp ascent. The militants abandoned the auto and hijacked another brand new unnumbered load carrier auto being driven by Havildar Vijay Kumar son of Sita Ram R/o Keran Patian, who had come to his house on leave from his place of posting at Jaipur and was driving the auto of his father to reach to the main road from where he was scheduled to leave for Himachal Pradesh.

Vijay Kumar categorically refused to give lift to the militants and was shot dead.

The militants, rendered without a vehicle, then started targeting civilians and opened firing on a motor-cycle killing Showkat Hussain son of Saif Ali R/o Khairi, Bantalab. Showkat’s brother, a police constable who was sitting behind on the bike, had a narrow escape in the firing. Another constable, Joginder Singh too survived the firing.

The militants tried to enter into the house of another Subedar (Retired) JCO Naseeb Singh son of Vidhu Singh but he too resisted the attempt and was gunned down.

Two labourers, moving in the village, were also shot at by the militants and injured seriously. They have been identified as Uttam Acharya son of George Acharya R/o Assam and Ragha Behlev Rai son of Berin Rai R/o Bihar, both of whom were putting up at Keran Patian.

Three injured Army jawans and two labourers have been admitted in Military Hospital and GMC Jammu respectively. Bodies of killed persons have been shifted to hospital for post-mortem. Reports said a 60 year old civilian Sarasa Ram son of Mangi Ram R/o Chinore suffered a heart attack after hearing sound of gun shots during the gunbattle and was rushed to GMC Jammu where he breathed his last.

The ultras tried to enter several other houses but since most of the people were sleeping as it was around 6.15 am that the militants had entered Keran Patian and doors of most of the houses at that time were closed. However, they managed to enter the house of Billoo Ram Bhagat, who himself had gone to GMC Jammu for the treatment of snake bite, and held eight persons including his mother, wife, four children, a teacher who was living in the house as a tenant and a neighbour as hostages.

Before entering into the house of Billoo Ram, the militants fired shots on Chinore police post, which was close to the house of Ram.

According to sources, JAK Li Cantonment and a private school Coventary Scholars were also close to Billoo’s house. Since the school was closed in view of bandh, a major catastrophe was averted.

While two militants took position on ground floor of the house, where all civilians were held captives, the third ultra entered first floor of the house.

In the meantime, auto driver Darshan Lal had informed about movement of the militants to police. Local people had also sounded Army and police after hearing the sound of gun shots.

Troops from nearby JAK Li Cantonment, para-military and police personnel rushed to the spot. Soon re-enforcement of Army also reached the village and cordoned off double-storey building of Billoo Ram.

GOC 26 Division Maj Gen D L Chowdhary, IGP Jammu K Rajendera, SSP Jammu Manohar Singh and other senior Army, para-military and police officers camped at the spot directing and supervising the search operation. However, late in the afternoon, Army took total control of the situation.

Billoo Ram rushed back from the GMC Jammu after getting a report of the militants intruding into his house and gave a map of his house both on first and second floor to help Army launch the operation.

At about 10.30 am, one of the militant came out of the house from the first floor and was shot dead. After his killing, the firing stopped from the militants’ side. Army too exercised restraint and explored various options to kill the two remaining militants and simultaneously rescue the civilians holed-up inside.

Maj Gen D L Chowdhary, GOC 26 Division told the reporters while supervising the operation in the morning that Army wanted to avoid collateral damage and the lives of hostages had to be saved at any cost.

Defence Ministry spokesman Lt Col S D Goswami said it was a fidayeen attack, most likely by Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) militants. The joint operation was conducted by Army and para-military forces, he added.

Reliable sources said all three militants were believed to be Pakistanis though one of them, who spoke to national news channels on mobile telephone of Billoo Ram, left in his house, claimed himself as a Kashmiri.

Sources said the militant, who identified himself as Talha Gira of Lashkar-e-Toiba outfit, told the channels that they have come for a ‘jehad’ and will pursue their ‘path’ till peace is restored in Kashmir. He denied having held the civilians hostage saying they were left in the house when they entered inside and all of them were safe and sound. In a bid to give a twist to the story, the militant denied that he had entered from Kanachak sector saying their group had come via road.

In response to appeals made by the Moulvis from JAK Li from Public Address System and megaphones to the militants called by Army, the militants refused to surrender saying they have come to fight for ‘jehad’ and would stick to their stand. Even the appeal by Moulvis’ to release the innocent children and women as holding them hostage was against the teachings of Islam, were not heard by the militants, who refused to release the hostages.

Earlier, before launching the operation, Army evacuated all civilians in the vicinity of Billoo Ram’s house and shifted them to safer places. Most of the people in Chinore left their houses and moved towards fields where local people arranged a ‘langar’ and water for them. The people also offered their full assistance to the Army.

IGP Jammu K Rajendera said security forces and police nakas initially took the militants sitting on front seat of the auto as police personnel as they were wearing ‘khaki’ uniform. However, when the militants started firing at the nakas, they were chased. Security forces and police had to exercise restraint as five to six milkmen were also sitting in the auto and random firing would have killed them, he added.

Regarding target of the militants, Mr Rajendera said all inputs had been pointing out that the militants wanted to target Jammu City. It may be mentioned here that Shri Amarnath Yatra Sangarsh Samiti had planned to hold a rally at Parade Ground at 4 pm today but it was cancelled in the morning after the report of terror attack spread.

"Chinore was not the target. However, while firing at random, the militants shifted towards Chinore from Domana", the IGP Jammu said, adding there was no vital installation at Chinore where the ultras would have plotted to strike.

Security forces and police, meanwhile, conducted searches at Bandu Rakh, Makwal, Bobiya, Pansar, Bhagwati Nagar, Nagrota and Kunjwani-Bishnah road in Jammu and Samba districts after people informed about the movement of suspects. However, the movement of militants was not spotted anywhere.

In the morning, after the militants had managed to escape from Kanachak, police recovered two bags from Lalyala from where the militants had come out and hijacked the auto. The bags contained two combat jackets and dresses and a number of eatables including dry fruits and packets of sweet water bearing stamps of ‘Made in Pakistan’. Some of the eatables had manufacturing addresses of Lahore, which confirmed that the militants were Pakistanis and had infiltrated from across.

Meanwhile, there was strong resentment among the people of Jammu against the BSF whom they charged with total failure in preventing infiltration attempts by the militants from across the border.

"First they failed in Samba sector in second week of May this year when three militants had easily sneaked-in cutting fencing and entered Samba town where they had killed four civilians and two Army jawans before being killed by Army", the people, who rang up the Excelsior, said.

They added that a very similar incident has now been repeated in Kanachak where again the militants cut fencing, travelled through the main road and reached Chinore killing and injuring civilians and Army personnel. The people regretted that both BSF and police have not been keeping the vigil properly. "Had both agencies acted swiftly, the casualties could have been easily averted", they said.

According to the people, the most surprising was the presence of militants in Kanachak border for more than 30 hours where several security agencies claimed to have launched a massive operation to nab the militants after infiltration was clearly detected with cutting of fencing and all agencies have put the figure of intruders between three to five.

People called for deployment of Army along the international border in Jammu to prevent repeat of such incidents.

Meanwhile, reliable sources didn’t rule out the possibility of LeT leadership having intentionally planned the operation at this stage to sabotage the nationalist agitation in Jammu "at the behest of outfit’s leadership in Kashmir".

Majumder...

Faraz was national poet for Pakiland?
Then there should be state mourning....

Regarding Urdoooo poetry, I can remember one joke...
After winning Nobel prize in literature, Tagore was offerred by many poets to allow them to translate his poems.
He had opted for "Tomar Charan Dao He Prabhu Amar Shiropre" (Keep you feet on my head- seeking humble blessing....). That Urdooo fellow translated it into, "Teri Tangri Meri Mundi Par Chapa Do...". It sounded so strange, Tagore requested him to refrain from taking up the job...

My sympathy with Paki people, for the loss of their poet. Now a days, getting a literary person is very difficult.
After Sunil Ganguly and Joy Goswami, there is big vacuam in Bengali poetry...

The best balm to bereavement grief is to attend to the pressing issues.

Keep It Together
Arif Mohammad Khan
Neither liberalism nor democracy admits ruling people against their will. Democracy is not about ruling people, it is about a periodic selection of a group, by the people, for exercising power on their behalf for a defined time-frame.

I think it is unfair to describe Kashmir's relationship with the rest of India in terms of colonialism of a hue different from the classic one or to compare it with Junagadh, the tiny Muslim state in Gujarat, that had acceded to Pakistan but later integrated with India.

As far as Kashmir is concerned, the Maharaja had signed a standstill agreement with Pakistan on August 15, 1947, that the "existing arrangements should continue pending settlement of details and execution of a fresh agreement". The Maharaja had approached India also but received no positive response.

The Indian attitude can be judged from what V P Menon has written in the 'Integration of States': "We wanted time to examine its implications. We left the state alone. I for one had simply no time to think of Kashmir".

But despite the agreement Pakistan imposed economic blockade on Kashmir to bring pressure on the Maharaja to accede to Pakistan. In October it organised an invasion of Kashmir by army regulars in the guise of tribals.

The invaders entered Muzaffarabad on October 22, 1947 and indulging in a spree of loot and arson reached Baramulla on October 27. They created such mayhem that out of the 14,000 people of this predominantly Muslim town, only 3,000 survived.

This situation forced the Maharaja to dispatch his envoy to Delhi requesting aid on October 24, but India made it clear that Indian troops could be sent only to an area that was part of India, and Kashmir could do so by signing the instrument of accession.

The Indian troops landed in Srinagar on October 27 only after the Maharaja had duly signed the accession instrument. Sheikh Abdullah, who was present in Delhi, also endorsed the request for Indian assistance with accession.

The important question is who resisted the invaders for five days till Indian help arrived. This question has been best answered by T N Dhar, a long-time critic of Sheikh Abdullah. He has written: "The National Conference leaders considered it a breach of trust and a challenge to the self-respect of Kashmiris and since the organisation was deeply entrenched at the grass-root level... the entire population was electrified with repulsion for Pakistan". Not just National Conference volunteers, the entire population stood up against the Pakistani invaders and supported Kashmir's accession to India.

On the other hand in Junagadh, before independence, the nawab repeatedly expressed solidarity with the surrounding Kathiawar states and on April 22, 1947, the official Gazette of Junagadh reproduced a speech of the Junagadh prime minister categorically repudiating allegations that Junagadh was thinking of joining Pakistan. The constitutional adviser of the nawab informed Mountbatten that he had advised the ruler to accede to India.

However, on August 15, 1947, Junagadh, a state that had no common boundary with Pakistan, announced accession to Pakistan under the advice of the new prime minister who was a member of the Muslim League. After receiving this information the government of India sent a note to Pakistan on August 21, explaining that India found it necessary to consult the views of Junagadh's population and asking for an indication of Pakistan's policy in this matter.

Further, on September 12, a telegram was sent to Pakistan stating that India would abide by the verdict of the people of Junagadh. The only reply that India received the next day was that Pakistan had accepted the accession of Junagadh.

It is true that India had stationed troops outside Junagadh, but it did not intervene militarily. It is important to remember that there were autonomous states inside Junagadh, which had already announced their accession to India and asked for Indian protection.

It was not the military action by India but a popular uprising against the nawab that forced him to flee to Pakistan by the end of October. Later, the prime minister of Junagadh wrote to Jinnah explaining the difficulties of Junagadh and through another communique requested the government of India to take over the administration, which was done on November 9, 1947.

Pakistan wanted to have Kashmir because it had a Muslim majority and Hyderabad, Junagadh and Manadar because the rulers in these states were Muslims. But the people of these states were against acceding to Pakistan and hence they became part of India.

The boundaries of a country are not drawn everyday to pacify one agitating group here or there. Pakistan could survive as a nation and as an idea even after losing Bangladesh because it was created on the basis of a divisive ideology. On the other hand, India can survive as a nation but not as an idea if it allows another partition on the basis of religion. India is more than a country; it is an idea that must be defended and protected at all costs.

(The writer is a former Union minister)

Quinji

let Allaha grant u strength to endure with patience. hope I, non-poetic Harijan, do not test your patience. all living people have to die.

dont you think we should keep the memory of Faraz alive by helping family of the Shantic dhoodhwala and rilkshaw wala from Jammu. this will probably make faraz more happy.

hurry,

pl deposit your char anas with dear ana. hope your enthusiasm for "living poeming" is contageous. thanks for your hurriedness.

hope we fire-wall the subcontinent so that we can protect it from jihadi anger and violence.

but what do you think we should do to the root cause?

I feel the root cause is neatly boxing humanity into chosen people such as poets vs dhodhwalas and rikshawwalas.

do you think abrahmic G-giri is the root cause? book legions enslave people using written words in the 7th century and 4th century books.

empires built on written words need people who practice and hone their "wordly" skills.

thus a new darbari G caste is formed.

the members of this casts have vested interests in perpetuating the "chosen-ness" of this cast.

we should look at their eulogies and obituaries also from this angle.

wonder if all so called creative folks worked in anonymity and were self publishing and marketing on forums like this then they would be lot more creative. to support them we could throw char anas the way you did in their chanda box. this way they will also not feel that their creativity is on sale.

my half ana worth.