Ahmed Faraz: The Light Stays

Re #77 Posted by pinku ,

Who flagged that comment, 77 of mine, let me know if you are not coward and also the reason of why you did so????

Ana Tai,

You had your beer when you were freshman when you must be 18. Our little brave goddess Sheetal Devi barely half that age had exhilarating time with Shantic Jihadis. Please raise your glass for her next time. As I suspected cadbury kids only qualification to fame is when they had their beer and other 4 letter activities. Your poetic bleeding heart must be wondering who is this brave Devi. Please be patient and reach to the bottom of this article:

Police have recovered three mobile telephones with local BSNL SIM cards from the possession of three militants gunned down last night by Army at Chinore whose numbers have given very vital information to the investigating officials. Through the three mobile telephones, the Pakistanis, frequently received directions from Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) network both within J&K and across the border with the latest direction being to kill all civilians including four children before getting eliminated by the troops.

IGP Jammu K Rajendera added that the militants received a number of calls throughout the day including some calls from a Thoraya satellite telephone. He declined to disclose the mobile numbers on the ground that police was extracting entire data from them and it would expose militants’ contacts including the persons, who might have helped them spent 30 hours in Kanachak and reveal their ‘exact motive’ in Jammu.

One of the three mobile telephones in the possession of slain ultras was 9469289726. Official sources told the Excelsior that a LeT commander had dialled mobile telephone of an electronic media’s Reporter from his Thoraya satellite phone and gave them one of the number (9469289726) asking the Reporter to speak to the militant inside.

Sources said as soon as the militants entered the house and took positions inside, they received a direction on their phone from one of the commander to eliminate all male adult members and keep women and children hostages. Thereafter, they opened firing and gunned down Ashok Kumar Manhas of Thathri, a teacher putting up as a tenant in Billoo Ram’s house, Sandeep Singh alias Kala, a neighbour of Billoo and Sham Murari, a brave jawan of Territorial Army, who had all alone intruded into the house while chasing the militants from Domana in a bid to rescue the children. However, Murari was trapped inside as he had no weapon with him.

At this stage, sources said, militants asked Tarsem Lal, brother of Sunita Devi (wife of Billoo Ram) to come out of a room they had bolted from inside and taken shelter after the killing of three persons. However, acting tactfully, Tarsem pulled all four children of Billoo Ram and his wife Sunita Devi besides himself into the adjoining kitchen after coming out of the room and locked the kitchen from inside.

In another important development, Army today revealed that they had flown 10 highly trained ‘para commandos’, who were part of a ‘Special Force’ from Chandigarh to launch the final assault in killing two militants in the evening and simultaneously ensuring that the hostages are saved.

"The ‘para commandos’, numbering 10, three of them officers, were flown here from Chandigarh within an hour and executed the operation so meticulously that it didn’t give any chance to the ultras to kill the civilians. While the second ultra was killed around 7.30 pm, the remaining militant was eliminated few minutes later", sources said, adding the troops announced end of the operation in the mid-night as they wanted to ensure that there was no ultra left inside.

Meanwhile, bodies of all three militants have been shifted to GMC Jammu where post-mortem was conducted on them this afternoon. The bodies will be kept in the GMC for 72 hours. Two of them had sustained 10-12 shots while the militant killed in the day had sustained numerous bullet wounds.

Billoo’s eldest daughter, Sheetal Devi, who was just 9, wanted to become an Army officer after seeing yesterday’s brutal acts by the Pakistanis. She was witness to three killings and injuries to her mother.

"Even now I’m feeling gun shots in my ears", she said, adding she would like to be an Army officer to teach a lesson to the militants. People were all praise for Sunita Devi’s brother, Tarsem Lal, who displayed courage and kept the children locked inside, thus, exposing them from coming in direct contact with the militants.

Re #73 Posted by guru on,

You are right, when I was writing that time-pass poem..

I said "baki bacha" sach, truth...

kya hai jo baki nahin....

Baki nahin hain vo log jo bheed se door hokar bhi bheed ke saath rahate the... vo log jo sach ke saath chal padte the akele hi... jinhain angreji aane na aane ka gum nahin tha... jo seedha bolte the, bina apni language/grammar ko dekhe.. Say Kabir or those ancient wise people who wrote Upanishads.. They never needed a party of Mushaiyra, nothing...

Now we have people who write so much, but all they write is a clerk's calculation and a biased lie... most of them.. and you have tons of them today...
I don't know about Faraj, nor do i care much about poetry, till it accompanies good thoughts... good doesn't mean "tuk bandi" and "jaam/shaam" type lines. Those are empty wah-wah poems. Urdu/Hindi has so few ending of words (so many sounding in Ha, hee, or half of it ending with "aa" sound) that almost anybody can do some tuk-bandi in hindi/urdu.

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Pinkuji,

As usual you are so wise and poetic.

"Aham doodasmi, rickshasmi."

As we get into Samadhi and become one with our given task "dood As Mi" and "riksaw As Mi" we contribute the best to this world. In such Samadhi we forget ourselves. I personally experienced it s many times. First when designing a VLSI chip with just owel around west in a room with just table, a stool and lamp I forgot when the evening came, morning happened, again evening, again morning, ... 58 hours on the stool under the lamp ... no food no defecating or urinating ... time just flew by. No tiredness... biked 2 miles to work in snow-sleet in vigor like a well rested teen. that day was really a blessed one.

nkg,

It's kind of late and the better half is suspecting my G-giri on the web. I can keep my mobile on for 10 more minutes to hear from you. Seems Ana Tai has given up on me.

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Ana Didi, testicularji and Baki well meaning folks,

You guys are soo good with written word. Even in Marathi I was very bad, barely passing 36/100 and never reaching to the questions on essay or poems. Anyway, let's get on to the great task of right Shradhanjali to great souls who have departed, some willingly and others not so willingly. My half ana worth cut and paste. Thanks to BJ! Those long sentences with hyphens though I, poetic Harijan do not understand must be literary, so here it goes :

Great dhoodhwalas , like great heartists of any other kind, do not belong to one community, one region, or any one people. They represent a resource for human beings at large and – like a fountain which only happens to sprout from any one location but is not limited by the same and which gets characterized solely on the basis of the refreshing quality of the nourishment that it produces – and not by who makes a claim to it! My condolences to the countless individuals that Jammu Dhoodhwala surely touched through his unadulterated milk - who now feel a loss to their lives due to his departure!

Please replace the Dhoodhwala to Rickshawala, Armywala, Policewala, the teacher and the student from Jammu. These kind of "wordy" eulogy might be Faraz's liking but other heartists want "living poems." I am sure Ana Didi must be overwhelmed by your donations. Anaji would you please give your address or the bank account which you must have opened for this Jammu cause. tahmedji did you cut your $1K cheque?

thank you!

Re: # 65; TNIM sahib

that sir sounds fair enough to me ! (thumbs up)

BJ sahib, the old masadi was never discredited, in his calling a spade a sob, you all saw the reality of your selfish existence, which unable to change, you turned against the old masadi. Long live the passion and honesty of the old masadi, and may TNI incorporate those traits with some new plastic for a plastic generation for greater effectiveness.

AKcheema sahib, the difference of posting on chowk you may consider futile because it reflects the caliber of your posts, for me it is fulfilling, it organizes my thoughts, inspires a few folk and keeps my soul feeling for humanity, for judgment time is nigh soon will humanity rejoice, and the futility mongers will mourn...


Have a nice day,

TNI Masadi

Re: # 62

i am not defending or condoning "futility" as you put it ... in fact, I am the least frequent "discussionist" here

absolutely ALL discussions here are futile, including the one you were having with tahmed; you guys have been having them for years, and things happen (or don't) regardless

for me, just a bit of fun!

Khuda Hafiz

"TNI" Masadi, you are displaying symptoms of the old decrepit and discredited (ODD) Masadi! Watch out, please.

Otherwise, people may start calling you the ODD Masadi!

Cheema sahib, you turn out to be even a more futile conversationalist than tahmed. You know exactly where I got that term from, from tahmed "Chawalitis", even if you have to extract the Latin meaning of it, let me interpret it for you as a "condition in which the "inflammation of humanity", in other words humanity made sick is a cause of pain for the person so suffering.

Now carry on with whoever it is you were conversing with...

Re: # 53; TNI masadi
[[My disease is called "humanitis", the suffering of humanity is unbearable to people suffering from my condition]]

the suffix of "..itis" is a latin term denoting "inflammation" in 'Pathology' (as in medicine).

from a "medical" perspective, your condition could be translated as "inflammation of humanity (or humans to be precise)"! ...

... is that what you meant? and by your "suffering from" this illness, are you a cause for this "inflammation" or its propagation?

(P.S.: I do hope you have some sense of humour; not asking for too much, is it?)

You don't need to thank me but you do need to thank Allah for sending knowledge your way through whatever source, he may yet not have sealed your heart....

G'night

Mr. tahmed please don't try to engage me in a futile conversation when I have better things to do. I am not a humanist but I suffer from humanitis, and my humanism is not bottom up but top down, there is a difference you know, the top down kind looks at the larger picture and sees the entire species, the bottom up, Western, kind looks at oneself (the cult of the individual) and then suffering people to fix the problem in the way of the social worker. Whereas the top down approach fixes things for groups and nationalities the bottom up fixes it for individuals while the system adds more individuals than whose pain they fix- such is the social work industry of the white man....

Have a nice day, for the judgment is nigh
I have helped you today to see the light, that is one human who wants to cross the line into the animal kingdom by following his material desires that I have helped today...that one person that I have helped in this fashion is greater than feeding a hundred with animal subsistence... think about that you claimant to humanity...

TNI Masadi

mr masadi: obama is on soon. i trust you will observe him. then provide us your brilliant analysis which no doubt will be suppressed by the InterGalactic Rulers.

#55 why dont you say "g'nite" anymore, mr. masadi? that had a certain panache to it.

#53 you consider yourself a humanist, mr masadi? i am impressed. how many humans did you help today?

Now while I appreciate your concern for my condition, I must get going, you take it easy for hard days are ahead for sure because the judgment is nigh.....

TNI Masadi

wow! me bad, mr. masadi. you did think fast.

My disease is called "humanitis", the suffering of humanity is unbearable to people suffering from my condition...Some great personalities in history have had this same disease, it makes one miserable and often poor but unalienated....

Thanks for your concern,

TNI Masadi

please think of a clever reply faster, mr masadi.

Tahmed writes "Proof that losers like atif and guru feed on one another promoting animosities among people."

And the white man watches the game he has set in motion from the sidelines and says "let the ba****** kill each other".

Good point tahmed sahib,

Have a good day,
TNI Masadi

#48 what name should we give to your disease, mr. masadi?

#47 i am glad to see you are available at any time on chowk. i am fine. how about you? got a job yet?

I'm sure chawalitis does not have the same mortality percent as munafiquitis.....tahmed sahib judgment is nigh...

TNI Masadi

tahmed writes "Proof that losers like atif and guru feed on one another promoting animosities among people. There must be a name for this mental disease that afflicts guru and atif types!!"

And proof that hypocrites like tahmed judge everything through the the bias that is guided by their Church of WMW, and whoever is not filtered through its "holy" lens is dumped on day and night...

Tahmed sahib, how are you doing? Baal bacha? Khana peena? Jaagna soona? etc

TNI Masadi

fuirther to #45, there is an urdu name for this disease - its called Chawalitis.

#39 so, BJ2 writes something positive on chowk, and Atif disses him. Guru is happily using his freedom on the internet to abuse, and this man is silent.

Proof that losers like atif and guru feed on one another promoting animosities among people. There must be a name for this mental disease that afflicts guru and atif types!!

jhoot aur sach main ye hi farak hai, sach bacha raha jata hai apne dum par, aur oose dhoondne ka koi tareeka bhi...

aur jhoot, joothe logon ke sahare jeeta hai..


There are infinite ways of finding a truth and truth never dies

marna to tha sab ko, par kon kon mara gaya??

aur kyon??

abey baki sach,


vo kaise bhi bacha raha jata hai, vo hai... dikhe na dikhe mile na mile. Aur bas ek hi cheek oose samajh sakti hai, hamara ghatiya dimaag... baki kutch nahin..

100 saaal????

bas uske baad hum main se koi nahin:-)

Baki bacha kya???

hamare do;-) aur char, ya phir puri barat,,, par hum nahin.....



Khud hi nahin, to khudi kya aur khuda kya????
aur baki agal-bagal jo dikh raha, vo bhi kya??



baki kya???

BJ Kumar [They represent a resource for human beings at large and – like a fountain which only happens to sprout from any one location ]

well the ONE fountain you seem to plagiarize frequently from is also known as Farzana Versey

Baki kya???

Kagaj pe kalam se
Harf likhte bante nahin
Jindgi ki halchalain?
Hain, magar dikhti nahin
So gaye se din hain
Dard ke aalam main?
Dard ki vajah koi?
Hai, magar milti nahin

Koi khudi main mar raha
Kisi-ko khud hi ka na pata
Jage huae se logon ke
dil jage se dikhte nahin
Makkari hai har taraf
Hai har koi khud se juda
Log hain, cheej hain, par..
Kutch hai, jo ab baki nahin.

Guruji ke belahf be ye Ahmad Faraj ko shradhdhanjali..... time-pass type..


Par baat ye hai doston, ki sabse badi baat vo hai jo aap samajhna nahin chahate.... aur jo aapki agli generation ko samsjhni padegi...... vo ke hai????

balkon, kitni bhi angreji padh lo, kitni bhi kavita, nazm likh lo, kitne bhi million bana lo, kitne bhi bachche bana lo, bada hone ke liye jo chahiye vo in sabse muskil cheej hai.....

phir kya hai badi baat?????

ha ha, mere ko nahin pata, aur agar pata hai to abhi nahin bataoonga...

badi baat hai badappan hona??

vo kai hai???

pata nahin....


badappan alag alag cheejon main alag alag sa dikhega,
par asal main vo bas ek cheej hai........


here it is:


Feel as responsible as God himself may feel to support and spread truths



Badappan jimmedari hai, sabse badi jimmedari hai sach ko support karna, usko badhava dena..

baki sab chote bachchon ki badi baatin hain, vo bhi important hain apni jagaha apne samay....


So nanho munnon, sabse bada baddapan jimmedari hai, aur sabse badi jimmedari hai sach ka saath dena. Each time you support truth, your mind gets closer to the mind of God. Don't be in conflict with truth.


Get rid of religions....:-) and don't think it is less important, all that i said above was a propaganda for innocent kids to accept this.... :-):-)

Great poets, like great artists of any other kind, do not belong to one community, one region, or any one people. They represent a resource for human beings at large and – like a fountain which only happens to sprout from any one location but is not limited by the same and which gets characterized solely on the basis of the refreshing quality of the water that it produces – and not by who makes a claim to it! My condolences to the countless individuals that Mr. Faraz surely touched through his words - who now feel a loss to their lives due to his departure!

The following poem of his is off the internet and is entitled “Ranjish Hi Sahi�.

Ranjish Hi Sahi

Ranjish hi sahi dil hi dukhaanay kay liyay aa
aa phir say mujhay chhorr kay jaanay kay liyay aa
pehlay say maraasim na sahi phir bhi kabhi to
rasm-o-rahay duniya hi nibhaanay kay liyay aa
kis kis ko bataayengay judaai kaa sabab ham
tu mujh se khafaa hai to zamaanay kay liyay aa
kuchh to meri pindaar-e-mohabbat ka bharam rakh
tu bhi to kabhi mujh ko manaanay kay liyay aa
ek umr say hun lazzat-e-giryaa se bhi mehruum
aye raahat-e-jaan mujh ko rulaanay kay liyay aa
ab tak dil-e-khush_feham ko tujh say hain ummeedain
ye aakhari shammain bhi bujhaanay kay liyay aa

Ana Didi and Baki Well Meaning folks!

You have a great task at your hand. For Jammu Jihadi killing you need to collect 8 Crores. It might be a small change for you guys. Add to that 2 crores for taking care of injured. When you raise the glass next time for Ahmed Faraz please leave half the glass empty, and donate money for that amount of booze $s to Ana didi for Jammu cause.

We know your poetic hearts are eagerly waiting in anguish for the latest info on Jammu Jihadi killing. So here it goes:

[From Left] A woman being rescued by Army from the roof of Billoo Ram’s house, an Army JCO who had come on leave to his house from Jaipur and was killed in his auto by the militants and an injured admitted in GMC Jammu.

By Sanjeev Pargal

JAMMU, Aug 27: Eleven persons including three Army jawans, one of them a JCO, five civilians and three militants were killed while six others including three Army personnel, two civilians and a woman were injured as three fidayeens, who had infiltrated in wee hours of yesterday morning from Kanachak sector, managed to hijack a load carrier auto carrying Gujjars along with their milk containers at Gadla, Kanachak this morning and travelled more than 15 kms before taking shelter in a house at Chinore near Bantalab on on old Jammu-Akhnoor road taking nine persons including four children and three women hostage.

The operation, which was completely taken over by Army after initial presence of para-military and police, started at about 7 am and concluded at around 1 am in the midnight tonight. The operation lasted 18 hours.

Two Armymen including a JCO and a Havildar and three civilians were killed before the militants took shelter in the house of one Billoo Ram Bhagat at Chinore at about 6.45 am while two civilians, a Territorial Army jawan and three militants were killed and a woman was injured in the gun-battle inside the house which concluded in the mid-night.

A total of 10 civilians were held hostage by the militants soon after they intruded into the house of Billoo Ram after travelling in an auto from Kanachak to Chinore early this morning. Of them, Billoo’s mother, Veero Devi managed to escape and was rescued by Army in the morning.

Soon after entering inside, militants gunned down a Territorial Army jawan Sham Murari, who had intruded into the house while following the militants, Ashok Kumar, a private teacher who had been putting up as a tenant in the house and Kalu Ram, a neighbour, who had gone to Billoo’s house to inquire his condition as he had suffered a snake bite.

Maj Gen D L Chowdhary, GOC 26 Division told reporters in the mid-night that all other six civilians (Billoo Ram’s wife, Sunita Kumari, his four children, Sheetal Devi, 9 and Kajal, 4, both daughters, Arshit, 5 and Vipan, 3, both sons and Sunita Devi’s brother) were rescued safely.

During the commando operation, in which all three militants were killed, Army didn’t suffer any casualties. All three Army casualties were suffered before the operation actually started.

Sunita Devi’s brother told the newsmen that the militants after killing three persons asked him to hand over one of the child to him. However, he locked himself, his sister and all four children in a room and bolted the room from inside. Sunita was injured in firing by one of the militant at about 10.30 am when he came out to see security situation outside and cause casualties of the Army but was immediately gunned down by the troops.

With a bullet wound in her thigh, she was referred to Government Medical College (GMC), Jammu, tonight after being rescued by the Army. Her condition was out of danger, Medical Superintendent, GMC Dr Romesh Gupta told the Excelsior in the mid-night.

While the first militant was eliminated by the troops around 10.30 am, the second militant was gunned down in a commando operation by Army at around 7 pm. The third ultra was killed by the commandos before 9 pm. However, the operation was declared closed in the mid-night as troops ensured that there was no other militants present inside.

It took the four children more than two hours to come out of the day long trauma they had gone through hearing the sound of gun shots which were often exchanged between Army and militants.

Maj Gen Chowdhary said the presence of more militants after infiltration in Jammu can’t be ruled out. In reply to another question, he added that target of the militants being Wednesday afternoon’s rally of the Sangarsh Samiti was not ruled out.

The children were not allowed to speak to the media as they were yet to come out of the trauma while Sunita’s husband Billoo Ram rushed to hospital for treatment of his wife. Sunita’s brother told reporters that he not bolted the children inside the room the casualty figure would have been much more.

Official sources confirmed that all three militants appeared to be members of suicide squad of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) outfit and were believed to be Pakistanis though their identity hasn’t been established immediately. They were part of the same group which had infiltrated into Indian territory from Kanachak sector on the intervening night of August 25 and 26.

Earlier in the evening, Army pressed Moulvis of its nearby JAK Li unit into service and got an appeal made to the militants through megaphone and Public Address System (PAS) to surrender and release the captives on the ground that Islam didn’t preach keeping the women and children as hostages. Later, two national news channels also spoke to the militants inside the house from New Delhi on mobile telephone of Billoo Ram—9469289726, which was left by Billoo inside when he had come out of the house in the morning. The militants claimed on the telephonic calls that all hostages inside the house including children were safe.

The militants while travelling in a load carrier from village Gadla in Lalyala area of Kanachak, which they had hijacked at 5.30 am after coming out of the bushes they had been hiding for last 30 hours after their infiltration on August 25 night, crossed several Army and police nakas at Kanachak, Mishriwalla, Domana and Machine Domana before reaching Chinore. An Army Subedar (JCO) was killed and three Army jawans were injured when they tried to stop the load carrier auto at two different nakas at Kanachak Dak Bungalow and Domana.

Militants fired at random at other nakas while at entering Chinore they started firing on the civilians killing three more, one of whom was incidentally an Army official who had come to his house on leave and had refused to give militants a lift in his auto as the ultras wanted to change the load carrier they were initially riding in. Other civilians killed in the firing include an ex-serviceman and a youth, who had gone to take milk on his motor-cycle. A civilian died of hear attack in Chinore during the gun-battle. Two other civilians were injured in the firing while a Gujjar, who was thrown out of the auto by militants for protesting their acts, had a narrow escape as he too was shot at. A police constable, Joginder Singh, going for a walk in Chinore was also fired upon but he too survived.

Despite a high alert which security agencies and police claimed to have sounded yesterday after reports of three militants having successfully infiltrated from Kanachak sector making a mockery of BSF’s security apparatus to plug infiltration bids, the militants managed to travel more than 15 kms distance opening firing and killing and injuring Army personnel and civilians.

"This shows the ‘high alert’ on ground displayed by police which couldn’t intercept the auto even at a single naka during more than 15 kms distance from Kanachak to Chinore", a civilian, Krishan Kumar remarked at the site of encounter. Strong resentment was prevailing in Jammu against BSF’s complete failure not only to prevent infiltration attempt but to trace the militants who were reported to have spent nearly 28 hours in bushes along the border before coming out this morning. "The militants managed to cut fencing and intruded inside, stayed at the border for 30 hours despite claims of massive search operations by different security agencies and then moved freely in the areas adjacent to Jammu City. This shows how alert our security agencies are", another civilian, Leela Ram, said.

Official sources and eye-witness account revealed that three militants, who had intruded into this side after cutting barbed wire fencing at about 12.30 am on the intervening night of Monday and Tuesday, came out of the bushes where they had been hiding (after the intrusion) at around 5.30 am this morning and hijacked a load carrier auto No. 5843 JK02C at village Gadla in Lalyala area of Kanachak sector. Two militants took positions on front seat of the auto and one on the back as five to six Gujjars along with their large milk containers were also sitting in back portion of the auto. The militants were wearing ‘khaki’ dresses of police which they had brought with them from Pakistan and were carrying assault rifles, ammunition belts, grenades and some other devices.

The auto was first intercepted by an Army naka outside Kanachak Dak Bungalow where they opened indiscriminate firing injuring two Army jawans identified as Havildar Netar Singh and Sepoy Yashpal, both from Ist JAK Li and forced auto driver Darshan Lal son of Leelu Ram R/o Gadla, Kanachak to move ahead at gun point.

They forced the auto driver to drive towards main Jammu-Akhnoor road where they were again stopped by an Army naka at Mishriwalla. At this naka, no one was injured though the militants fired several shots. At Domana, Army officials signaled the auto to stop but both the militants sitting on front seat again fired indiscriminately killing Naib Subedar (JCO) VVK Parkashan on spot. An Army jawan Sepoy Pal Panion of 61 Field Regiment chased the auto on a civilian’s motor-cycle but he too was shot at by the militants and injured seriously.

Sources said a Gujjar identified as Mohd Shabir tried to grapple with the militant sitting on back portion of the auto in a bid to snatch his weapon. The militant threw him out of the vehicle near Domana and opened firing on him but he survived the shots.

The militants then took the route of Bawa Talab-Raipur from Machine, Domana and reached Keran Patian where the auto stopped. The auto driver, Darshan Lal, told the militants that it won’t move ahead in view of sharp ascent. The militants abandoned the auto and hijacked another brand new unnumbered load carrier auto being driven by Havildar Vijay Kumar son of Sita Ram R/o Keran Patian, who had come to his house on leave from his place of posting at Jaipur and was driving the auto of his father to reach to the main road from where he was scheduled to leave for Himachal Pradesh.

Vijay Kumar categorically refused to give lift to the militants and was shot dead.

The militants, rendered without a vehicle, then started targeting civilians and opened firing on a motor-cycle killing Showkat Hussain son of Saif Ali R/o Khairi, Bantalab. Showkat’s brother, a police constable who was sitting behind on the bike, had a narrow escape in the firing. Another constable, Joginder Singh too survived the firing.

The militants tried to enter into the house of another Subedar (Retired) JCO Naseeb Singh son of Vidhu Singh but he too resisted the attempt and was gunned down.

Two labourers, moving in the village, were also shot at by the militants and injured seriously. They have been identified as Uttam Acharya son of George Acharya R/o Assam and Ragha Behlev Rai son of Berin Rai R/o Bihar, both of whom were putting up at Keran Patian.

Three injured Army jawans and two labourers have been admitted in Military Hospital and GMC Jammu respectively. Bodies of killed persons have been shifted to hospital for post-mortem. Reports said a 60 year old civilian Sarasa Ram son of Mangi Ram R/o Chinore suffered a heart attack after hearing sound of gun shots during the gunbattle and was rushed to GMC Jammu where he breathed his last.

The ultras tried to enter several other houses but since most of the people were sleeping as it was around 6.15 am that the militants had entered Keran Patian and doors of most of the houses at that time were closed. However, they managed to enter the house of Billoo Ram Bhagat, who himself had gone to GMC Jammu for the treatment of snake bite, and held eight persons including his mother, wife, four children, a teacher who was living in the house as a tenant and a neighbour as hostages.

Before entering into the house of Billoo Ram, the militants fired shots on Chinore police post, which was close to the house of Ram.

According to sources, JAK Li Cantonment and a private school Coventary Scholars were also close to Billoo’s house. Since the school was closed in view of bandh, a major catastrophe was averted.

While two militants took position on ground floor of the house, where all civilians were held captives, the third ultra entered first floor of the house.

In the meantime, auto driver Darshan Lal had informed about movement of the militants to police. Local people had also sounded Army and police after hearing the sound of gun shots.

Troops from nearby JAK Li Cantonment, para-military and police personnel rushed to the spot. Soon re-enforcement of Army also reached the village and cordoned off double-storey building of Billoo Ram.

GOC 26 Division Maj Gen D L Chowdhary, IGP Jammu K Rajendera, SSP Jammu Manohar Singh and other senior Army, para-military and police officers camped at the spot directing and supervising the search operation. However, late in the afternoon, Army took total control of the situation.

Billoo Ram rushed back from the GMC Jammu after getting a report of the militants intruding into his house and gave a map of his house both on first and second floor to help Army launch the operation.

At about 10.30 am, one of the militant came out of the house from the first floor and was shot dead. After his killing, the firing stopped from the militants’ side. Army too exercised restraint and explored various options to kill the two remaining militants and simultaneously rescue the civilians holed-up inside.

Maj Gen D L Chowdhary, GOC 26 Division told the reporters while supervising the operation in the morning that Army wanted to avoid collateral damage and the lives of hostages had to be saved at any cost.

Defence Ministry spokesman Lt Col S D Goswami said it was a fidayeen attack, most likely by Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) militants. The joint operation was conducted by Army and para-military forces, he added.

Reliable sources said all three militants were believed to be Pakistanis though one of them, who spoke to national news channels on mobile telephone of Billoo Ram, left in his house, claimed himself as a Kashmiri.

Sources said the militant, who identified himself as Talha Gira of Lashkar-e-Toiba outfit, told the channels that they have come for a ‘jehad’ and will pursue their ‘path’ till peace is restored in Kashmir. He denied having held the civilians hostage saying they were left in the house when they entered inside and all of them were safe and sound. In a bid to give a twist to the story, the militant denied that he had entered from Kanachak sector saying their group had come via road.

In response to appeals made by the Moulvis from JAK Li from Public Address System and megaphones to the militants called by Army, the militants refused to surrender saying they have come to fight for ‘jehad’ and would stick to their stand. Even the appeal by Moulvis’ to release the innocent children and women as holding them hostage was against the teachings of Islam, were not heard by the militants, who refused to release the hostages.

Earlier, before launching the operation, Army evacuated all civilians in the vicinity of Billoo Ram’s house and shifted them to safer places. Most of the people in Chinore left their houses and moved towards fields where local people arranged a ‘langar’ and water for them. The people also offered their full assistance to the Army.

IGP Jammu K Rajendera said security forces and police nakas initially took the militants sitting on front seat of the auto as police personnel as they were wearing ‘khaki’ uniform. However, when the militants started firing at the nakas, they were chased. Security forces and police had to exercise restraint as five to six milkmen were also sitting in the auto and random firing would have killed them, he added.

Regarding target of the militants, Mr Rajendera said all inputs had been pointing out that the militants wanted to target Jammu City. It may be mentioned here that Shri Amarnath Yatra Sangarsh Samiti had planned to hold a rally at Parade Ground at 4 pm today but it was cancelled in the morning after the report of terror attack spread.

"Chinore was not the target. However, while firing at random, the militants shifted towards Chinore from Domana", the IGP Jammu said, adding there was no vital installation at Chinore where the ultras would have plotted to strike.

Security forces and police, meanwhile, conducted searches at Bandu Rakh, Makwal, Bobiya, Pansar, Bhagwati Nagar, Nagrota and Kunjwani-Bishnah road in Jammu and Samba districts after people informed about the movement of suspects. However, the movement of militants was not spotted anywhere.

In the morning, after the militants had managed to escape from Kanachak, police recovered two bags from Lalyala from where the militants had come out and hijacked the auto. The bags contained two combat jackets and dresses and a number of eatables including dry fruits and packets of sweet water bearing stamps of ‘Made in Pakistan’. Some of the eatables had manufacturing addresses of Lahore, which confirmed that the militants were Pakistanis and had infiltrated from across.

Meanwhile, there was strong resentment among the people of Jammu against the BSF whom they charged with total failure in preventing infiltration attempts by the militants from across the border.

"First they failed in Samba sector in second week of May this year when three militants had easily sneaked-in cutting fencing and entered Samba town where they had killed four civilians and two Army jawans before being killed by Army", the people, who rang up the Excelsior, said.

They added that a very similar incident has now been repeated in Kanachak where again the militants cut fencing, travelled through the main road and reached Chinore killing and injuring civilians and Army personnel. The people regretted that both BSF and police have not been keeping the vigil properly. "Had both agencies acted swiftly, the casualties could have been easily averted", they said.

According to the people, the most surprising was the presence of militants in Kanachak border for more than 30 hours where several security agencies claimed to have launched a massive operation to nab the militants after infiltration was clearly detected with cutting of fencing and all agencies have put the figure of intruders between three to five.

People called for deployment of Army along the international border in Jammu to prevent repeat of such incidents.

Meanwhile, reliable sources didn’t rule out the possibility of LeT leadership having intentionally planned the operation at this stage to sabotage the nationalist agitation in Jammu "at the behest of outfit’s leadership in Kashmir".

Majumder...

Faraz was national poet for Pakiland?
Then there should be state mourning....

Regarding Urdoooo poetry, I can remember one joke...
After winning Nobel prize in literature, Tagore was offerred by many poets to allow them to translate his poems.
He had opted for "Tomar Charan Dao He Prabhu Amar Shiropre" (Keep you feet on my head- seeking humble blessing....). That Urdooo fellow translated it into, "Teri Tangri Meri Mundi Par Chapa Do...". It sounded so strange, Tagore requested him to refrain from taking up the job...

My sympathy with Paki people, for the loss of their poet. Now a days, getting a literary person is very difficult.
After Sunil Ganguly and Joy Goswami, there is big vacuam in Bengali poetry...

The best balm to bereavement grief is to attend to the pressing issues.

Keep It Together
Arif Mohammad Khan
Neither liberalism nor democracy admits ruling people against their will. Democracy is not about ruling people, it is about a periodic selection of a group, by the people, for exercising power on their behalf for a defined time-frame.

I think it is unfair to describe Kashmir's relationship with the rest of India in terms of colonialism of a hue different from the classic one or to compare it with Junagadh, the tiny Muslim state in Gujarat, that had acceded to Pakistan but later integrated with India.

As far as Kashmir is concerned, the Maharaja had signed a standstill agreement with Pakistan on August 15, 1947, that the "existing arrangements should continue pending settlement of details and execution of a fresh agreement". The Maharaja had approached India also but received no positive response.

The Indian attitude can be judged from what V P Menon has written in the 'Integration of States': "We wanted time to examine its implications. We left the state alone. I for one had simply no time to think of Kashmir".

But despite the agreement Pakistan imposed economic blockade on Kashmir to bring pressure on the Maharaja to accede to Pakistan. In October it organised an invasion of Kashmir by army regulars in the guise of tribals.

The invaders entered Muzaffarabad on October 22, 1947 and indulging in a spree of loot and arson reached Baramulla on October 27. They created such mayhem that out of the 14,000 people of this predominantly Muslim town, only 3,000 survived.

This situation forced the Maharaja to dispatch his envoy to Delhi requesting aid on October 24, but India made it clear that Indian troops could be sent only to an area that was part of India, and Kashmir could do so by signing the instrument of accession.

The Indian troops landed in Srinagar on October 27 only after the Maharaja had duly signed the accession instrument. Sheikh Abdullah, who was present in Delhi, also endorsed the request for Indian assistance with accession.

The important question is who resisted the invaders for five days till Indian help arrived. This question has been best answered by T N Dhar, a long-time critic of Sheikh Abdullah. He has written: "The National Conference leaders considered it a breach of trust and a challenge to the self-respect of Kashmiris and since the organisation was deeply entrenched at the grass-root level... the entire population was electrified with repulsion for Pakistan". Not just National Conference volunteers, the entire population stood up against the Pakistani invaders and supported Kashmir's accession to India.

On the other hand in Junagadh, before independence, the nawab repeatedly expressed solidarity with the surrounding Kathiawar states and on April 22, 1947, the official Gazette of Junagadh reproduced a speech of the Junagadh prime minister categorically repudiating allegations that Junagadh was thinking of joining Pakistan. The constitutional adviser of the nawab informed Mountbatten that he had advised the ruler to accede to India.

However, on August 15, 1947, Junagadh, a state that had no common boundary with Pakistan, announced accession to Pakistan under the advice of the new prime minister who was a member of the Muslim League. After receiving this information the government of India sent a note to Pakistan on August 21, explaining that India found it necessary to consult the views of Junagadh's population and asking for an indication of Pakistan's policy in this matter.

Further, on September 12, a telegram was sent to Pakistan stating that India would abide by the verdict of the people of Junagadh. The only reply that India received the next day was that Pakistan had accepted the accession of Junagadh.

It is true that India had stationed troops outside Junagadh, but it did not intervene militarily. It is important to remember that there were autonomous states inside Junagadh, which had already announced their accession to India and asked for Indian protection.

It was not the military action by India but a popular uprising against the nawab that forced him to flee to Pakistan by the end of October. Later, the prime minister of Junagadh wrote to Jinnah explaining the difficulties of Junagadh and through another communique requested the government of India to take over the administration, which was done on November 9, 1947.

Pakistan wanted to have Kashmir because it had a Muslim majority and Hyderabad, Junagadh and Manadar because the rulers in these states were Muslims. But the people of these states were against acceding to Pakistan and hence they became part of India.

The boundaries of a country are not drawn everyday to pacify one agitating group here or there. Pakistan could survive as a nation and as an idea even after losing Bangladesh because it was created on the basis of a divisive ideology. On the other hand, India can survive as a nation but not as an idea if it allows another partition on the basis of religion. India is more than a country; it is an idea that must be defended and protected at all costs.

(The writer is a former Union minister)

Quinji

let Allaha grant u strength to endure with patience. hope I, non-poetic Harijan, do not test your patience. all living people have to die.

dont you think we should keep the memory of Faraz alive by helping family of the Shantic dhoodhwala and rilkshaw wala from Jammu. this will probably make faraz more happy.

hurry,

pl deposit your char anas with dear ana. hope your enthusiasm for "living poeming" is contageous. thanks for your hurriedness.

hope we fire-wall the subcontinent so that we can protect it from jihadi anger and violence.

but what do you think we should do to the root cause?

I feel the root cause is neatly boxing humanity into chosen people such as poets vs dhodhwalas and rikshawwalas.

do you think abrahmic G-giri is the root cause? book legions enslave people using written words in the 7th century and 4th century books.

empires built on written words need people who practice and hone their "wordly" skills.

thus a new darbari G caste is formed.

the members of this casts have vested interests in perpetuating the "chosen-ness" of this cast.

we should look at their eulogies and obituaries also from this angle.

wonder if all so called creative folks worked in anonymity and were self publishing and marketing on forums like this then they would be lot more creative. to support them we could throw char anas the way you did in their chanda box. this way they will also not feel that their creativity is on sale.

my half ana worth.

I know akcheema, it feels exactly the way you have described - brick walls - but I just can't let such diatribe go unanswered ... will try to endure with patience.
And many more to bear. There are brick walls and there are thundering ranters ... and there is my focus - on my work.
Thanks for your kind advice.

Re: # 28; quin

you may as well be attempting to communicate with a brick wall ... or other constructs of an equivalent intellect ... and you most probably ARE!!

I second the suggestion by HP: post # 4

There are thousands of tragedies happening everywhere right at this moment. Question is not if we consider them tragedies or not. Of course those are tragedies. But question is what tragedy we are discussing in this particular occasion. Question is of proprietary, decency and sensitivity.

Consider this: I loose a dear friend and I am grieving and a fool comes and says, oh, why you are grieving for that - he was such and such and was not such and such. Does this fool not see that, first, I am grieving, second, for me what that person is to me, is to me. Do you see, I am grieving at my friend's dead body, and this fool comes and dishonor my friend's dead body. What more incivility one can imagine. All it shows the hate and violence filled in that mind. I don’t mind discussing all the philosophies and all the view points, even the most intolerant ones, when the occasion is right. But there should be some civic sense in these things or they fall apart and no dialogue is possible.

And then taunting over poets scratching each other's back. Let me tell them something. What people take as scratching each other’s back is nothing but being able to see each other’s agony and ecstasy in a creative effort. Being able to know through what the other poet has been going through in that creative process. It is the appreciation of that pain as well as triumph of creativity. It may not be easy for people who are not into creative work to see it as such. However, this happens in any field. In my job, when I see a creative effort or idea brought forth by an engineer or technician, I am as appreciative of that as I am appreciative of a good poem. The only difference is that a writer or poet is out in open at the front - and their mutual interaction being visible - otherwise it is no different as it happens in any other field.

As Fatima Ijaz has said, a writer lives a dangerous life.

PS: Faraz was also appreciative of other poets as much as other poets were appreciative of him. I must also add, there are and always will be bitter disputes too between poets or writers. (PS is directed at # 25)

guru sahib,

I have a spare quarter and 3 cents. Where do I send them?

Since we are talking about real Sradhanjali to Faraz and writing/living "living" poem. An idea I have in mind is following:

1. In the spirit of Delhi mushiarra, would you please collect one crore for the terrorist killings in Jammu. If our dear baki brothers and sisters donate 1 crore worth gold from paki land for each jihadi done killing we can bring aman and shanti to our lands. Such private effort will force agencies and govt hand. They will stop funding jihadi activities in India.

2. Conduct a mushiara in bakiland to generate money for donating gold to Indian victim

These kind of living poems will turn this chowk into an highway of brother/sister-hood among our people. What do you think Anna Didi? Can we expect $1K from you? If we take alphabetical roll-cal your name comes first. You are so lucky to get to write the first stanza of this living/loving poem. We can name this fund as Faraz Fund.l

I agree with azarbandhi, Faraz sahib was an amazing amazing poet.

Although it doesn't apply to Faraz sahib, I also agree with guru "Most of the literary world is filled with "you scratch my back I scratch yours" types Gs."

First good news from Jammu: Security forces have killed all the three militants who were holding three woman and four children hostage in Jammu's Chinore area.


I hope to experience uplifting feeling to see the pouring of common grief for the trauma experienced by four children in the age group of two to nine. The youngest was Vipin Kumar, 2, while the other three are Kajal, 4, Ishant, 6 and Sheetal, 9. I hope to see show of shared reverence, and joining of hands for prayers at this sad occasion of shahadat of Shantic milkman, Hindu rikshawala, Havildar Vijay Kumar and a JCO Naik Subedar V V K Paarkashan.

I hope your Kavi hearts bleed for these lives cut short so early. Your heart felt poems are most welcome. This will be the best sraddhanjali you might give to Ahmed Faraz. His soul will have SadGati because of your these acts. But you should not stop here, you could fund education of dhoodhwala and rikshawwalas children's education. That would be better living poem.

It is such an uplifting feeling to see the pouring of common grief, show of shared reverence, and joining of hands for prayers at this sad occasion. And then, it is so disappointing and painful to see the display of disrespect, demonstration of ignorance, and flaunting of bigotry on the same page, at the same occasion.

Thanks all who took time to share their emotions. Thanks Ana for taking on to guru. His take on things is no less than chauvinism which we have to face in one or other form every now and then. That is why we need people like Faraz who are antidotes to such negativity and who build bridges. The bigots only know how to instigate divisions and discord. Blessed be Faraz, who was a great poet, a unique thinker, an advocate of best in humanity, a healer of two separated nations, lover of life, gentle, kind, whose words will always be balm for individuals as well as for humanity.

guru:

for the last time, because after this post i will be ignoring you, and if your posts remain here, everyone else should too:

1) what masadi said on other threads is not applicable here on this thread.

2) You are an incoherent spammer, and until you act like an insaan, here is the score:

Ahmed Faraz: 123,456,789, 000

guru: 0

You lose guru, you are the weakest link. goodbye.

Nasaband,

"Behind most religious conflicts is the fight for control over resources. Islam took control over the southern Arabian peninsula because it allowed one Arab group to defeat the Jewish kingdoms in the Yemen. Religion is nothing but the tool of control.
The Orthodox and Catholic supposedly split over three words in the creed "and the Son". The split was really controlling the wealth of the Church and maintaining political control over religion."

Let's get rid of these legions and be spiritual.

ana and nasaband,

In my hurried glance at Pt. mandarji posts I found a gem

""We continue to know more and more about modern society, but we find the centers of political initiative less and less accessible. This generates a personal malady which is particularly acute in the intellectual who has labored under the illusion that his thinking makes a difference. In the world of today the more his knowledge of affairs grows, the less effective the impact of his thinking seems to become ... He feels helpless in the fundamental sense that he cannot control what he is able to foresee."
(The Powerless People, by C. Wright Mills, Politics, April, 1944)"

First, did he acquire/digest the knowledge? He thought he possesses the knowledge because he can express in words. He could recite the words. But his life did not express it as Mahatma Gandhi or Phule's did. Similarly so called poets thought penning and publishing their emotions is end all. This is the problem when we judge people by their words. I would judge Guru Govind Singhji's poetry by how it built Khalasa and organization to raise human consciousness and protect Dharma.

Emotion is a very tiny part of mind. I have not read any poem of Faraz but from Nasaband's quote it seems he is yet another hukka-pani Kotha pimp poet talking about girl's. Shantic Arabic imperialism worked through this gudgudi culture. The local kshatriyas esp Rajputs were addicted to this gudgudi Sheb Bibi and Gulam culture utterly exploitive culture. It also emasculated the locals. Just as British sold and made Chines addicted to Ganja, Shantic exploitive folks used this mushayara type culture. At best it produced Bahadur Shah Zafar type nimcompoop so called poets who suffered from heavy melancholy. Indian Mollywood wasted two generations of Indian youth by this G..giri of melancholic songs. There were hardly songs such as Chodo Kal Ki Bante.

Since the words started getting printed a weird thing happened. Words became very cheap. A class of durbari Gs in the form of Bhaats and Sycophants came on the horizon. .............

I do not have so much time now ....later when time permits.

Those who attended his mushiara or whatever need to be lined up at LOC & Jammu border and made sing his poetry. Let's see if the Jihadis can be stopped. This way atleast poor innocent rikshawwala and helpless kids can be saved.

Yes I would like Arabic imperialism aka Islam needs to vanish, so also Paulism (look at what it has done in Orissa). That is why I asked Pt. Mandarji and testicularji to explain the core spirituality of Shant aka Islam.

We should all become spiritual and not re-legion-ous.

I was first introduced to Faraz when my first real love gave me a book of poetry by him...I was ensnared at once!

inna lillaha wa inna ilayhi raaj'iuun.

Verily in poetry there is magic!
Ignoring guru's spamming (he is trying to make Indian Muslims leave Islam and revert to idolator --la hawla wa la quwwata!) I am really saddened to hear that Faraz sahib has passed away. The greatest Urdu poet of recent times has gone. I enjoy his poetry immensely and his nazm Sunaa Hai Log Usse Aankh bhar kay dekhate haiN is an all-time classic of subtle romance which I paid tribute to earlier on Chowk with my attempt at an (impossible) translation.

Here is Faraz reciting it in his own voice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3qy6hAhbc8

Aaj kin nazron se tum ne dekha
Ke tera dekhna dekha na jaaye!

May Allah forgive him his sins and give him Paradise.
amen!

Chowk Staff:please keep this thread only for Faraz related posts.

It is like losing a member of the family.

Khuda Hafiz Faraz Sahib...


Ras

sad news indeed. This is like end of an era in urdu poetry.

Faiz, Sahir, Ali Sardar Jafri, Firaq, Habib Jalib, Kaifi....and now Faraz also gone! He was probably the last in that great caravan.

"bichhRay sabhi baari baari..........."

Urdu poetry is never going to be same again!

guru:

Some of your qavis might take offense to what you are saying about other qavis. You unfortunately cannot see beyond the tip of your nose.

You are stuck in some era long ago, and have closed yourself off to the realities in the world. Urdu may have come about as a language due to the imperialists, but it was not an "imposed" language. It was not imposed as a court language, or even national language until Pakistan came into being. So what is your point there?

Ahmed Faraz did write about Bangladesh. As did Faiz. Faraz wrote about students in Karachi who were killed needlessly in protest. He wrote about how the truth becomes the lie As I said, you have no interest in who he was anyway, only insofar as it serves your hater agenda. And many poets in many languages, liked to drink. It did not mean their words were soulless, or that they were without souls. You know what you pathetic guru (even your avatar is a lie) git? If Faraz had read your qavis, he would have declared them to be seekers of the truth as well.

Ahmed Faraz was no saint, but you know nothing of his actions to say they did not match his words.

Again, kindly stop polluting this board with your incoherent babblings. If you have no respect for human life, then it is no surprise that you cannot appreciate a person's death or that you use the deaths of others to insult a man who had nothing to do with these tragedies.

I have no more interest in communicating with you. I came here to pay tribute to a poet whom my family and countless families read and appreciated. It is really pathetic of you to have brought your "kaana" vision and your narrow judgments here. It would have been one thing if you knew who Faraz was, because there are certainly Pakistanis who did not appreciate him or his poetry either, those selfish, power-seeking, ignorant Pakistanis, even some of those who call themselves "liberals", but you do not know anything about him, so guess what, you pathetic person who calls himself a guru, you are really no different from those Bakistanis.

Deal with it.

Re: # 13; tahmed sahib
[[I must read his poetry some day]]

tsk tsk ... you disappoint me sir!

Thanks for write-up, Mooquin sahib.

I met Ahmed Faraz once in Islamabad. It was early morning, and my father and I went for our daily walk up the road leading to Daman-e-Koh. At the bend in the road half-way up which provides a view of the valley to one side and the steep road up the mountain on the other (anyone who has taken this road will know what I am talking about), Ahmed Faraz was sitting by himself on a rock. My father and Faraz sahib joked a bit (early morning walkers in the margalla area form their own little community, some being well-known people) about the great perch he was seated on, and of the view from there. And then we kept on walking. I must read his poetry some day.

Re: # 7

sentiments shared ana bibi!

Ana,

I can go on, but it's kind of too late.

Words which are not matched with action are injurious to oneself and the universe.

These Islamic drunkard and addict Ghalib type so called poets have destroyed real meaning of Kavi.

Sage Walmiki was Kavi, sage Ved Vyas was Kavi, Dnyneshwar Mauli was Kavi, Sant Tukaram and Samarth Ramdas were Kavis.

Rest are just emasculating Hizdas.

Urdoo is an imposed imperialistic language which destroys local language and culture. Give me Sanskrit to solve to Understand Sulbha Sutra, Patanjali Yoga Sutra and Vedic Maths. It will help me in implementing algorithm for square rooting a number efficiently in digital and also biological computers.

Till Bakiland dumps alien language and shades the Abrahmic coat on the local human spirituality it will not have peace or soulful poetry. The road to human soul is blocked by Abrahm. Real poetry has to be from the bottom of the soul.

Ana,

"it's rather ignorant to write maliciously of a language just because it does not have the letter "p""

We know Bakistan does not have peace because the imposed durbari language does not have letter "p."

Those who attended his mushiara or whatever need to be lined up at LOC & Jammu border and made sing his poetry. Let's see if the Jihadis can be stopped. This way atleast poor innocent rikshawwala and helpless kids can be saved.

These fake poets and the printing industry breeds a class of parasitic Gs who are as much diversion used by the establishment. In Islamic society it's the mo's Islamic pyramid scheme which is establishment. Most of their poetry is emasculating "Khiza Ke Phool Pe Sathi" type girlish stinking farts, which pollutes generations.

Ana,

"Do you understand what the word exile means"

I understand by example. Dracula was in exile from 31-35, so also BB, AZ, NS, SA etc etc.

"He was imprisoned for what he wrote against the establishment"

Did he write about the plight of innocents in bangladesh or Hindu harris? Did he write about abduction of Hindu Sindhi girls and forced conversion & marriage?

guru,

Obviously you have no idea who Ahmed Faraz was and why he lived outside Pakistan. Do you understand what the word exile means, and why Faraz decided to leave Pakistan for the time that he did? It did not mean that his love for his country was any less. He was imprisoned for what he wrote against the establishment. Have you ever read his poetry? Have you ever been to a mushaira where he recited or read his ghazals, his poems?

You do not have a clue who this man was, what he wrote, what he meant not only to Pakistanis, but to Indians who read him and listened as well, and all you can come up with is incoherent dribble.

Ahmed Faraz was a man of conscience (where is yours?), he wrote poems of resistance, he wrote of things that you will most likely never understand, and those who know his poetry, and know of his struggle are saddened by his death. So stop making yourself look like a fool (which does not take much) and stop your incoherent babble about a man you know nothing about, and things that do not belong on this board.

And by the way, it is Pakistan, and Pakistani, unless you are an Arab, and it's rather ignorant to write maliciously of a language just because it does not have the letter "p". Which Urdu, the language Faraz wrote in, does have.

So either read some of Faraz's poetry, learn who he was, and then talk about him, or please go and expose your stale breath elsewhere.

***

Thank you Mutaal for this.

A couplet that Faraz recited while he was in New Delhi, for a mushaira:

Let’s again begin the journey of love, let’s again become each others’. If there is question of ego with you, then let me extend my hand of friendship to you

Thank you Faraz sahib for sharing your journey of love with us. May your spirit and words remain with your people, and your friends forever. Memory eternal.

Most of the literary world is filled with "you scratch my back I scratch yours" types Gs.

Mulla Omar who lives his words is probably better consciousness than Allaha-Ki-maa type poets.

Tell us more about folks who are building schools, play grounds and temples for Pakistani Hindus who are mostly Harijans.

Why casticism of written word?

One Kavi Allaha Ki Maa heleped in breaking millions of homes.

The poetic words he uttered were actually not from his soul but it was the Abrahmic ghost which is torturing human mind for last 1700 years.

Kavi (from a root kū "to cry out") is a Sanskrit term for thinker, intelligent man, man of understanding, leader; a wise man, sage, seer, prophet; a singer, bard, poet.

People who have lost their roots, their tongue, and are not in tune with soul's vibrations which occurs by being in tune with the nature around them and by owning the the language of the bhumi, ancestors and local culture,

will utter only words which can turn into poison for them and others. Their words cause more harm. They are never empowering. Their words are enslaving. Urdoo an imposed language can only produce scenes of drunkard Yahaa enjoying singing of Noor Jahan when millions were being killed, lakhs of ma-behene were being raped at the same time in other parts of the country. Show us poems of Allha-Ki Maa type poets penning pain of these unfortunate folks. Most of the urdoo poets could only pen hi.da dance of "Choli Ke Piche Kya Hain" for durbari lifafa or mujara at feudal's kothi.

Last I checked this gentleman also like all Baki leaders lived outside Bakiland. It's hopeless when the PMs, presidents and poets of a land come from outside.

This is about a poet Ahmed Faraz. Not about Kashmir and some other dispute. Don't you have little decency?

I request Chowk staff to please remove all these posts below about Kashmir and what not.

Chowk has decided to publish this tribute to the greatest Urdu poet of our times, now chowkstaff should at least show some respect to him too.
Please remove the posts below!

For an altogether 'realpolitik' reason, I'm reminded of Quaid-e-Azam's statement that we'd secure a space for to-be Pakistan, even if it was just as big as a match-box...

"For an instant or two we glow
Like a match stick"

And on Faulkner's death, Camus said, before an artist takes his leave he must affix his signature in this world and say "I was here" -- Ahmad Faraz knew it.
In the nearest language, it always works.

I would trust this IAS qualified Tibetan/Buddhist more:

Separatism is unacceptable

Claude Arpi

In the past fortnight, several senior commentators have decided it is time to accept the separatists' demand for self-determination in the Kashmir Valley. One commentator has written, "As a liberal, I dislike ruling people against their will... Let Kashmiris decide the outcome, not the politicians and Armies of India and Pakistan... The parallels between British rule in India and Indian rule in Kashmir have become too close for my comfort."

Such reasoning is fallacious. To "dislike ruling people against their will" is not reason enough to let parts of India secede. Don't you think that the people of Arunachal Pradesh often feel neglected by the rulers in Delhi who decide their future without consulting them and 'against their will'? Any 'liberal' (if he/she is honest) will apply the same reasoning to the entire North-East. Should these States also secede? In the 1980s, the Khalistanis in Punjab also felt that Delhi was ruling them 'against their will'. Should Punjab have become independent?

As for the 'promised' plebiscite, which is being resurrected by 'liberal' commentators, the UN resolutions of August 1948 and January 1949 were clear and specific. The proposed plebiscite was for all the regions of Jammu & Kashmir. Further it was conditional to the Pakistani troops withdrawing from all the areas it had occupied in the State; and, second, Pakistan withdrawing its tribesmen and nationals not ordinarily resident in these areas from the entire State.

For the UN, there was no question of first changing the demography of the occupied areas. To hold a plebiscite after the Kashmir Valley has been cleansed of its Hindu population will only encourage secessionists and terrorists to use similar tactics in other parts of India.

Another eminent columnist has written, "If you believe in democracy, then giving Kashmiris the right to self-determination is the correct thing to do... This is India's century. We have the world to conquer -- and the means to do it. Kashmir is a 20th century problem. We cannot let it drag us down and bleed us as we assume our rightful place in the world." This merits only one comment: If India is further dismembered, it is doubtful that the 21st century will be India's century. Allowing Kashmiris to secede is certain to become a precedent for others in India to 'democratically' ask for their right to self-determination.

Similar to the position taken by our 'liberals' has been that of the foreign media which has reacted to the recent troubles with its old prediction that 'Kashmir will soon be lost for India". DIE?} Le Monde quotes Ahmed, a young Kashmiri, as saying, "I prefer to die in the streets shouting 'Long Live Free Kashmir' than in an isolated confinement after being tortured (by the Indian Army)." Ahmed's friends, says Le Monde, threw stones at security forces while screaming, "Indians are dogs." Then, referring to Abhinav Bindra's gold medal, Ahmed says, "But it is in Kashmir that Indians are the best shooters."

Le Figaro, in an article headlined "Kashmir bye-bye?", its correspondent spoke of the "beauty of the Valley which nobody questions, though some in India have nonetheless begun to ask themselves if the future of their great democracy is to keep four million Kashmiris against their will. It is a new tune!" The correspondent, however, asked a relevant question: "Why has the Government in New Delhi kept silent and inactive for so long when the tension had already started mounting in July?"

The problem is not only the poor leadership of the rulers in Delhi, though nobody can deny that the present crisis has been created by the inept handling of the situation, but also the wily leadership in the Kashmir Valley.

If one looks at the history of Jammu & Kashmir, one realises that whenever the Valley has been stricken by famine, war or invasion, it was due to the poor leadership and despotism of its kings, sultans and maharajas. The Chinese pilgrim Hsuan-tsang has described Kashmiris thus: "They are volatile and timid; they are good-looking, but deceitful."

The history of Kashmir is a succession of alternating periods when just and fair rulers made the Valley a 'Paradise on Earth' and times when "people were treated as grass", to quote the historian Srivara, one of the authors of Rajatarangini. He describes one of these periods during the 15th century when "accepting bribes was considered by the officers as virtue, oppressing the subjects was regarded as wisdom and the addiction to wine and women was reckoned as happiness".

Take the more recent example of Sheikh Abdullah, described by historian S Gopal as "Nehru's old friend, colleague and blood-brother." Sheikh Abdullah was chosen by Jawaharlal Nehru in January 1948 to plead India's case in the UN. Though a member of the official Indian delegation to Lake Success, Abdullah had a secret meeting with US Ambassador Austin, who reported to the US Secretary of State, "It is possible that the principal purpose of Abdullah's visit was to make clear to US that there is a third alternative, namely independence... He made quite a long and impassioned statement on the subject. He said in effect that whether Kashmir went to Pakistan or India, the other dominion would always be against a solution... (Kashmir) is a rich country. He did not want his people torn by dissension between Pakistan and India. It would be much better if Kashmir were independent and could seek American and British aid for development of the country" Thus was the seed 'azadi' planted by Nehru's 'blood-brother'.

Adlai Stevenson came to Srinagar to meet Abdullah in May 1953. The creation of an independent 'Sheikdom of Kashmir' was the purpose of the visit. This would perfectly suit American interests by checking the advances of the Chinese in Xinjiang and the Russians in Afghanistan. A 'non-aligned' Nehru could not be considered a reliable ally. At that time, The New York Times published a map hinting at an independent status for the Valley and a few days later, Abdullah asserted in a speech, "It is not necessary that our State should become an appendage of either India or Pakistan."

This habit of saying something one day and doing the opposite the next has been characteristic of most of the leaders of Jammu & Kashmir for the past 60 years. Sheikh Abdullah's grandson, Mr Omar Abdullah, recently said in Parliament, "We fought for our land and will continue to fight for our land till our last breath." This same person shamelessly sides with those who say that Hindus are trying to change the demography of the Kashmir Valley by erecting some temporary structures for pilgrims.

With a vacillating Centre, a weak Governor, a father-and-daughter duo always ready to pull the carpet from under their partner's feet and the secessionists back in the news after several years, the State of Jammu & Kashmir seems doomed. But not if India were to stand firm and resist those who wish to see the country disintegrate.

Pinkuji, Ladduji, Sanatani & NKG,

These darbari Gs such as tahmed and Pt Mandarji will take you around the world showing and talking Mao, Tao, Lenin's goaty, Sophia Loren's zanty etc etc. If you look little deeper in their ancestry and the reason for conversion of Allah Ki Maaa and dracula you would know how these Gs think. They want phukatka. HKs!

But the poor common Abdul and Salma are not like them. Visit them and their masjids even if they are in Dharavi. Attend their Namazs and Khutba prayers. Take their kids to your Satsangs and discourses of Swamis and saints. Help them in celebrating ShivJayantis. Few months back when on visit to India because of arguments with a bevda daintier-painter I had to visit for 15-20 minutes nearby mosque in a poor neighborhood. Because I only had 15 -20 minutes to make point that you "Arabic Rs" need to come on the street protesting Jaipur bombings and run a blood donation drive,
and since I am not that diplomatic or erudite like you guys in the heat of intensity in Masjid I said Sala Kuraan in my speech. Then one bevada started shouting Touba Touba, then I blurted out Oye Mullaji why do you allow Allah ki G maraowing in this place of worship. That F Allaha is in these kids ..look at those sparky eyes....for Allaha sake dont kill that F allaha with hate for local heroes, culture and Dharma.... you Gs need to own the local culture, language and history. Almost all of the 35-30 men agreed. They took my tel numbers and most of them are dear friends. They want small favors for jobs. Twice I was invited for mutton biryani but when we went my driver and I gave rest to the ladies and took control of cooking to make mast shooji halawa of organic cut wheat, organic gud and pure desi cow ghee which we brought with us. The kids and the folks relished it so much.

anyway ...2 paisa worth. We can save India and make the leading nation which will show the right way to the world by small actions of embracing our poor and fallen.