Save Me From Charismatic Leaders!

tahmed writes to quin "blaming america is favorite pasttime of pakistani retired faujis, overweight maulvis, and unemployable "intellectuals". I assume you represent another category - which on is it? the illegal immigrant living in europe?.."

Tahmed sahib, salam and greetings of peace. Haal chaal? Chai pani?

"Blaming" is not a pasttime, since for those that suffer from the effects of what America does, as it is doing in pakistan, there are life and death consequences. The fact that America does not even make an effort to hide its barbarism, like the recent killing of civilians in Afghanistan that was condemned by their man in Kabul himself, and leaves such defending to its third rate peons like you, tells me that its days of hoodwinking the masses are numbered. Instead of a response you decided to attack Quin as an "illegal immigrant"- this tell us all how helpless you are in your current religious practice of white man worship,

Have nice day for the judgment is nigh,
TNI Masadi

SR/quin:

On present reckoning, I do not see much difference between Obama and McCain on Iraq and Afghanistan, the two seem to be converging, I am afraid however that Obama would be more belligerent to "prove" his patriotism; on social issues, I do not expect Obama to veer too much towards welfare state, although I wouldn't mind if the US citizens have the same kind of access to medicare that the citizens of most civilised countries have.

ahmadmadani:

Madani saheb:

Too early to say anything about Rahul Gandhi but early indications are that he might turn out to be like his father.

The Maruti car, including the name, was actually Sanjay Gandhi's project although he died before its complettion. Another of his very successful projects was the Noida satellite township. And if Indira had not ended her Emergency when all active opposition to it had died down, that scoundrel may have solved one of India's greatest obstacles to progress, namely the unrestricted population growth.

#23 dost mittar: "Nehru can only take credit for not destroying them. "

Not destroying something useful is a good way to start.

tahmed#7:

"Nehru who laid the foundation ("western education", stable civilian governments) for India's "tryst with destiny

Western education and civilian govt. were both given to us by the British; Nehru can only take credit for not destroying them.

#21 blaming america is favorite pasttime of pakistani retired faujis, overweight maulvis, and unemployable "intellectuals". I assume you represent another category - which on is it? the illegal immigrant living in europe?

In the face of the kind of the mess USA has created in the world, it will be great Divine favour to Obama if he won't win. And I pray for that, only because I wish him well. If he wins, he will regret it in his old age like hell. No fundamental 'change' is possible in the face of realities on the ground. If he tries to make any fundamental change, the hounds will ground him in no time. There's is an evil empire. On the other hand, if he does win, I wish him best. His failures will expose a lot about USA.

DM ["... I don't want Obama to be president..."]

Mittar ji

A nice historical summation of 'the gaffs committed by chrismatic leaders' ... But I am afraid your wish shall remain unfulfilled.

Burraq Hussein Osama (or Barak Obama, if you prefer to substitute a 'B' in place of an 'S') will be the next president of the USSA. No 'IFs' or 'BUTs' about it. He will take more than 35 states and may end up having a Reagan style landslide. His coat tails might just put the senate over 60/40. In fact on THAT the Republicans ought to be taking their last stand. The fate of McPain is sealed with heart ache, as was that of Bob Dull, Walter NonHale, Mike DueTaxes, at el.

(Just follow the money. Bookmakers are giving very lopsided odds... Osama is the hands down favourite. McPain a looong shot.)

You might think I am an Osama (aka Obama) fan. In fact I dislike both John McPain and Hussein Osama. They are both hustlers. One peddles the 'Warfare State' while the other touts the 'Welfare State'... both kinds of states are an anethema to Liberty and Justice loving, constitution respecting American individualists (my candidate was Ron Paul, who unfortunately never had a realistic chance).

Much in keeping with your examples, I fear that Mr. Osama's administration will be long on rhetoric and short of substance. He may even end up committing monumental blunders. A (would-have-been) McPain administration, on the other hand, might have been lack luster and unremarkable -- though we'll never find out.

No one can know the future, for sure, but this is how the tea leafs read.

...SR

Talking about charisma...

Palin’s 17-Year-Old Daughter Is Pregnant
By Katharine Q. Seelye
ST. PAUL — The 17-year-old daughter of Gov. Sarah Palin, John McCain’s running mate, is five months pregnant, Senator McCain’s campaign advisers announced today. ..Groups that oppose abortion rights had been thrilled with Mr. McCain’s selection of Mrs. Palin, the governor of Alaska, as his running mate, partly because of her opposition to abortion. It is not clear how social conservatives will respond to the latest news.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/01/palins-17-year-old-daught er-is-pregnant/?hp

Re: # 11 As person having seen this things tell your feeling why indian companies and pakistani companies are failing. Are bothside have same weakness or there are better things and worst things of both country companies.
IT type companies ( agile and fast changing business) need different things than say boring industries ( long life,basic product same) like coal mining,Grinding grais, sugar making etc steelmaking , housebuilding etc ?
China companies are world leaders what makes them better than india company. ( Is chinses race better in artistic and individualistic way or just hard working race ,not bothered too much about "soft and do good things". It appears that that race is physically stronger than( white, dark, brown) any race - look at medals )

Re: # 13 He started first modern car company in india with company from japan that will out live everything.

Re: # 15 Bilawal Z.Bhutto has all qualities suggested by Romair.
How is mr. Rahul Gandhi rated in these depts.
Mrs Soniya Gandhi appears more quitely doing working type. Mr. Zardari wanted to follow mrs Gandhi, he needs to work quitely without making waves ?

Altafbhai has all qualities and his manages party very well except once he made mistake of not contesting in Karachi but then he corrected himself. One person who had know Altafbhai said about his management. He said he does not like his subordinates to over analysis and become paralised. He says do not get in that situation , always make decision and stick to it and if he finds it is mistake he says correct it. Altafbhai generally feels it is better to be in active mode and make mistakes and then correct than paralised. He hates "suspense or pralization due to over analysis."
Mr. Zardai management is little different. He let things slips it appears but he is in full control and has method for his madness and pralysis as that is his planed strategy. It appears mr. Z is setting traps for NS and he may walk in to it. Only time will tell.

bulleya#10,11:

I largely agree with you (especially about my mediocre writings style).

I was not writing about India/Pak issues but I agree with you regarding the Kashmir issue (I used to have the same viewpoint as you re. cabinet mission plan but thanks to sadna's hard work and research of original documents and correspondence on this issue, I am less sure of that now). On Kashmir, he was totally inconsistent and contradictory; if he believed in a plebiscite, then it should have been held and he should have not used technical loopholes to get out of his commitment.

But if he really wanted Kashmir to be integrated with India, then regardless of the morality issues, he should not have introduced Article 370 which made it impossible to change the demography of Kashmir, which is the only way Kashmir problem could have been permanently resolved in India's favour. Here is an excerpt from Kuldip Nayar's recent column on this issue:

"Soon after Kashmir’s integration with India, then Home Minister Sardar Patel wanted some migrants from Pakistan to be settled in the Valley. Jawaharlal Nehru not only took him to task, but offered apologies to Sheikh Abdullah, then heading the Kashmir Government."

I agree with you that a visionary needs someone to complement his vision with management skills (which to me includes decision-making skills as well); if someone has both skills, it is "sone pe suhaaga".

tahmed32#7

Obama is proving more and more to be a normal politician. His acceptance speech was quite a barn burner, but it was more like someone trying to rally troops, with standard jibes against his opponent. Instead of a promise of change, I saw it as more of the same.

But as they say in Pindi, "hud-si tey rung kud-si".

Sanatani#5:

I do not regard Rajiv Gandhi as a charismatic leader but merely a member of a charismatic dynasty. I think that if he had not started off with a massacre of the sikhs and had managed the bofor affairs well, his legacy would not have been that bad; indeed, he started the process of economic reforms, in particular in the telecommmunications sector; remember, he started using a laptap!

rf786:

Yes, this is the message. As long as we don't get swept off our feet and do not treat them as messiahs who would deliver us to the promised land, it's okay to have someone provide a vision.