Why Zardari Should Be President!

Re: # 59

tahmed,

... which rock have you been living under? ... dr shahid masood was the director of geo news who led the jihad against musharraf long before your droopy-eyed cj showed up on the scene ..... he was the darling of the islamists including nawaz sharif and other mullahs with beards of varying lengths ..... his tirades against musharraf would put bill o'reilly to shame ....... how quickly we forget (or choose to forget) !

..... anyway, you seem to be cut from the same cloth as maulana bhashani and nawabzada nasrullah who were always in the opposition regardless of who came to power - i hope you don't look like them ........ but you are not the only one - this morning my brother in law started telling me stories about how corruption has gone through the roof since the ppp came to power and how his boss has had to flee to dubai because zardari was trying to muscle in on his business .... according to him zardari is now demanding 15% because he has to give 5% to mqm ! .... i told him to shut because i had heard the same stuff in the ninetees when zardari started his career as a kleptomaniac ......... we shpuld all get in line like shahid masood, the cj of peshawar, the supreme court justices who took bai't yesterday, aitizaz ahsan who is looking for a ticket and everyine else who is lined up at zardari'c court ..........


zardari zindabad !
down with the unwashed masses - let them eat cake!

#65

Tahmed sahib:

Then you please also agree that Hamidm sahib's approach is also needed. It allows for changing the roadmap, a must for democracy.

#64 Anil sahib. There we are in agreement - As I said below to Hamidm, I like where we are today than when where we were last year at this time (when the terrorists and their puppet-master musharraf) were running riot.

Tahmed sahib:

I like your comment,

"...This "We have arrived" road map you mention is basically a blank sheet of paper with a pin in the middle that says "You are here". ..."

For an optimist in me, what more than a blank sheet of paper with "you are here" a pin in the middle, is what I would want.

I hope you do see it this way.

anil sahib #62: This "We have arrived" road map you mention is basically a blank sheet of paper with a pin in the middle that says "You are here". it tells you nothing more than that. :-)

Tahmed sahib:

May be Hamidm sahib believes only in "we have arrived" roadmap, as all others are too confusing.

Isn't this also part of democracy?

For example, Obama has arrived, and his roadmap, not Hillary's is believable. What is wrong in supporting believable roadmap, especially if you are a management consultant.

Not all still believes that he can reach the White House as elected president.

Morale of the story is that only believable roadmaps are the once that are traversed. This only means we should start the journey and keep the goal in mind. Murphy's Law will guide you, be warned.

To me in this journey, democracy in Pakistan was the goal. Lot of things happened due to Murphy's Law, Musharraff's Law and ISI's Law. Pakistan indeed has arrived.

in #59, para 5 should say " In doing so it is looking beyond the Zardari bandwagon."

anil sahib: i hope my post #59 explains my view on this question.

as for hamidm sahib need i remind you that was not pointing to any road map - he was merely acknowledging the reality that mush was in place and dutifully applauding him...until mush lost his job. similarly, in applauding zardari, hamidm is merely acknowledging the obvious fact that that zardari is now president and dutifully applauding him. no road map here, anil sahib.

if you wish to look for a road map, look at the forest instead of barking up individual trees.

hamidm #53 actually i only vaguely recall hearing about this shahid massoud before you mentioned him - like i said, i think it is more useful for purposes of forming an opinion on politics to look at the forest rather than the trees.

I of course have no doubt that what you say about him is quite true - after all, he is doing nothing different than what mqm has done. i.e., last year, when it thought the dictator was going to stay, mqm had treated ppp like the mafia treats rival gangs - and now is happy to be a junior partner to ppp. similarly, until early this year, mqm had claimed to be the only voice against waderaism in pakistan - and happily went around making deals with the biggest wadera around!!

EVEN IF these self-seekers were the only political forces in Pakistan, we are still better off than without Musharraf for obvious reasons.

But, that is not all. The fact is these self-seekers are not the only political forces in Pakistan. The true democratic forces are in fact not these wily politicians. The true democratic forces are a dynamic civil society led by lawyers and journalists, a powerful "fourth estate" (press), and an intelligent, well-informed electorate whose voice in elections can no longer be shutout by a dictator. These are the forces that toppled musharraf's government, not the drawing room schemers making deals in foreign countries.

PMLN has, wisely in my view, chosen to throw in its lot with these democratic forces. In doing so it is looking Zardari bandwagon. This will be good for Pakistan for which they will no doubt get full credit in history. And perhaps (although this is not so important either for Pakistan, or even for the individual concerned), in due course this will prove to be the winning strategy with voters as well.

The above is of course going beyond the "personality wave-length" that you seem determined to stick with. But hope this lengthy answer that I have troubled myself with providing while hurricane hanna blesses us with rain outside will make sense to you at some point.

Hamidm sahib:

I do not understand what is this obsession in Pakistan for independent judiciary. Do you?

In America, Bush administration appoints justices and shifts judiciary. He cannot fire justices, no one can, the House can impeach just as it can impeach the president. They outlast presidents.

Why Pakistanis don't ask for such a change in constitution, rather than be obsessed obtain re-appoint of old.

What made them more independent than the present justices?

Gangaram ki samajh mein na aaye.

Tahmed sahib:

After Zardari’s election, please at the very least acknowledge, Hamidm sahib’s acute sense of defining the roadmap to “change� and “power� in Pakistan. Between his narebazi he had been talking of a transition that did not complete in Nov/Dec 2007 (or whenever the first elections were due), it completed in Sep 2008. In between someone knocked off BB and changed the leader at the top. Hamidm sahib would change his “narebazi�, just as frequently and shamelessly as the wind of shame blows in Pakistan.

“Hamidm sahib Zindabad�,
the lone cyber warrior of Chowk.

Please join me, so that I can say once again
“Hamidm sahib Zindabad�.

and YLH I still hold this grudge against you when you threatened to kill me, if you are man that you say you are, then prdouce one article out of your imagination rather than research, and I will call it even!

This site is frequented by so manybig wigs, people with the inside info, can anyone credible kindly educate us for the reasons for Zardari' daughter's attempts to kill herself. The rumor has it that she was the one who called her mother to pop her head out of the bullet proof car at the behest of her father, only to realize later that she was an accomplice to her murder. And what about the Prince Bilawal's refusal to tie the know with Fatima Bhutto?

man, I tell you, Pakistan was doomed that the day we started giving leverage to "chooti yea" now I don't expect our NRP and our friends across the border to know what that stands for, but that for sure stands for the likes of the writers and all those who have stood for his line of thought... Well this day might as well be the saddest day in my entire life and I can say for sure that "so long Pakistan"

Re: # 52

tahmed mian,

... can you tell me what happened to dr. shahid masood - the champion of islam, the defender of the faith, the man who berated zardari and benazir and called them thieves and scoundrels ? .......... i will give you a hint: the chairman of ptv makes around 22 lakh rupees a month .....

king zardari zindabad !

and today is a great day for Pakistan thanks to the courage of the cj, i may add. no thanks to lotas, mqm ghoondas, or even zardari himself.