Ather Naqvi September 1, 2008
#35 Posted by tahmed32 on September 5, 2008 5:03:40 am
hamidm #34 As Prof. Higgins would say, I think he's got it!! By jove, he's got it!!
Or do you still dont get how booting out a dictator and replacing it with mainstream parties at the helm can be considered a victory for the Pakistani people, or "unwashed masses" as you like to call them while getting yourself washed in that bathtub in Boondocks, Mi., with Prof. Higgins housekeeper scrubbing the lice out of your hair?
Or do you still dont get how booting out a dictator and replacing it with mainstream parties at the helm can be considered a victory for the Pakistani people, or "unwashed masses" as you like to call them while getting yourself washed in that bathtub in Boondocks, Mi., with Prof. Higgins housekeeper scrubbing the lice out of your hair?
#34 Posted by hamidm2 on September 5, 2008 3:29:24 am
Re: # 27
tahmed,
.... so you are declaring victory and going home ? .... what happend to the movment for the restoration of the droopy eyed one ?......... and what do you have to say about ns fielding a presidential candidate who has done more damage to the judiciary than all the pco-2 judges combined ? .....
tahmed,
.... so you are declaring victory and going home ? .... what happend to the movment for the restoration of the droopy eyed one ?......... and what do you have to say about ns fielding a presidential candidate who has done more damage to the judiciary than all the pco-2 judges combined ? .....
#33 Posted by eyecontact on September 5, 2008 2:25:56 am
It's only a matter of hours now. Let's see who is proved right and who's wrong!
#32 Posted by bouzo on September 4, 2008 5:21:07 pm
I agree with the author to the extent that so far Mr Zadari has gone by the book to get himself elected as the president of Pakistan on Septembers 6th presidential elections but the real question is on his capability as a president.i cannot seem to fathom the argument that after Benazirs' assassination he has evolved himself as the true national leader, in my opinion he has just taken advantage of the whole situation after her assassination.
How can we even think of accepting a person as a president who has looted and plundered the country and the argument that the courts have acquitted him of all the charges is baseless, because if u follow the details of all the cases against zardari one comes to know that the money looted has been transferred so many times under so any phony names that it becomes almost impossible to keep trail of it ,let alone forming a substantiative case against him. And what about all the cases in the Swiss courts ,not all those cases were initiated by the Pakistan government, and according to reports the prosecutors there had solid evidence to indict Mr Zardari,but before it could be done acceding to a formal request by the Pakistan government the cases were dropped against him.
Now in the scenario if he really becomes the president ,which seems very likely that he will, does he has the ability and the credentials to run a country, I pretty much doubt that. In my opinion under the “PPP leader ship this country is going to dogs�.
How can we even think of accepting a person as a president who has looted and plundered the country and the argument that the courts have acquitted him of all the charges is baseless, because if u follow the details of all the cases against zardari one comes to know that the money looted has been transferred so many times under so any phony names that it becomes almost impossible to keep trail of it ,let alone forming a substantiative case against him. And what about all the cases in the Swiss courts ,not all those cases were initiated by the Pakistan government, and according to reports the prosecutors there had solid evidence to indict Mr Zardari,but before it could be done acceding to a formal request by the Pakistan government the cases were dropped against him.
Now in the scenario if he really becomes the president ,which seems very likely that he will, does he has the ability and the credentials to run a country, I pretty much doubt that. In my opinion under the “PPP leader ship this country is going to dogs�.
#30 Posted by masadi on September 4, 2008 3:57:57 pm
tahmed writes "damage" is the wrong word - Pakistan needs a strong military given that it has external threats."
tahmed sahib,
salam and greetings of peace to you. How goes? Haal chaal?
This excuse of "extrenal threat" is what created the monster we call Pakistan Army, as a foregone conclusion of the partition that would keep its people forever poor and forever enslaved. We need a people's army not this bs monster, which needs to be slayed.
Have a good day
TNI Masadi
tahmed sahib,
salam and greetings of peace to you. How goes? Haal chaal?
This excuse of "extrenal threat" is what created the monster we call Pakistan Army, as a foregone conclusion of the partition that would keep its people forever poor and forever enslaved. We need a people's army not this bs monster, which needs to be slayed.
Have a good day
TNI Masadi
#29 Posted by masadi on September 4, 2008 3:55:44 pm
hamid to bulleya "okay, name one ...."
Might I humbly suggest TNI Masadi for the post of President of the non-Military Republic of Pakistan.
He will ensure that your baal bacha are raazi baazi!
Have a good day,
TNI Masadi
Might I humbly suggest TNI Masadi for the post of President of the non-Military Republic of Pakistan.
He will ensure that your baal bacha are raazi baazi!
Have a good day,
TNI Masadi
#28 Posted by tahmed32 on September 4, 2008 2:33:48 pm
in #27 second para. below, the "he" who doesnt need a job i am referring to is the Chief Justice of course.
of course, mush doesnt need a job either (he has already gotten away with the loot, thanks to Zardari) - and his place in Pakistan history is also secure, albeit in a totally different way than that of the Chief Justice!
of course, mush doesnt need a job either (he has already gotten away with the loot, thanks to Zardari) - and his place in Pakistan history is also secure, albeit in a totally different way than that of the Chief Justice!
#27 Posted by tahmed32 on September 4, 2008 2:31:19 pm
#26 hamidm: i keep repeating and you keep ignoring that the cj has already fired his arrow, and struck home - mush got separated from his uniform, then lost his job as well.
he doesnt need a job to secure his place in pakistan history anymore. he doesnt even need a job to make money, rest assured (e.g. he could make a lot more than what you are probably making in the US if he was to cash in on the widespread recognition of his services and unique experiences).
as for the other judges - they have played their role, and made sacrifices. No reasonable person can blame them for going back to their jobs now that the dictator is out.
Please dont have me repeating this all the time - people might think that St. Mary's was a school for the retarded.
he doesnt need a job to secure his place in pakistan history anymore. he doesnt even need a job to make money, rest assured (e.g. he could make a lot more than what you are probably making in the US if he was to cash in on the widespread recognition of his services and unique experiences).
as for the other judges - they have played their role, and made sacrifices. No reasonable person can blame them for going back to their jobs now that the dictator is out.
Please dont have me repeating this all the time - people might think that St. Mary's was a school for the retarded.
#26 Posted by hamidm2 on September 4, 2008 12:28:09 pm
Re: # 24
tahmed,
.... i think haqqani wrote that srticle - zardari does not even have a diploma ....
..... anyway, how is the movement for the restoration of the droopy eyed cj going ..... i see that one of his closest buddies, the cj of the peshawar high court, is taking oath ...... damn lotas !
tahmed,
.... i think haqqani wrote that srticle - zardari does not even have a diploma ....
..... anyway, how is the movement for the restoration of the droopy eyed cj going ..... i see that one of his closest buddies, the cj of the peshawar high court, is taking oath ...... damn lotas !
#25 Posted by hamidm2 on September 4, 2008 12:18:19 pm
Re: # 21
romair mian,
"there are so many excellent candıdates ın pakıstan and ın ppp, who would be much better than zardarı"
.... okay, name one ...... did you hear mushahid hussain talking about pml-n's choice for president? ...... that cj seems to be just as bad if not worse than the pco-1 and pco-2 judges .......
.... i think we should bring back sheikh rashid - at least with him you get what you see ......
sheikh rashid zindabad !
romair mian,
"there are so many excellent candıdates ın pakıstan and ın ppp, who would be much better than zardarı"
.... okay, name one ...... did you hear mushahid hussain talking about pml-n's choice for president? ...... that cj seems to be just as bad if not worse than the pco-1 and pco-2 judges .......
.... i think we should bring back sheikh rashid - at least with him you get what you see ......
sheikh rashid zindabad !
#24 Posted by tahmed32 on September 4, 2008 7:35:16 am
Uninspired article from Zardari in the Washington Post today - only saving grace - he seems more serious than musharraf in fighting terrorism. and he lacks musharraf's absolute powers to back selfish aims.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303 131.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303 131.html
#23 Posted by eyecontact on September 4, 2008 7:03:23 am
The thing is that the PPP does not want a Sword of Damocles hanging on its head in the shape of a possibly hostile president!
#21 Posted by bulleya on September 4, 2008 1:16:42 am
....any country that wants to establısh democracy has to fırst go through the phase, where ıts corrupt, ıllegıtımate etc. leaders come ınto power....they are then removed through more democracy and genuıne leadershıp comes up...
...the problem wıth pakıstan ıs that every tıme thıs phase starts, the polıtıcal leadershıps brıng pakıstan to a poınt where the whole country ıs about to go under....
...then the army comes ın....and ıs haıled as the savıor...ıt does ok for a few years and then goes on to do further damage....
then the same old polıtıcıans come ın....
the current group and state of pakıstanı polıtıcıans ıs 100% ıdentıcal to those of pre-musharraf era....hence nothıng has changed....
zardarı ıs a crook who wıll not declare hıs assets....somethıng every presıdent should ethıcally do....unlıke ns, who was also a crook, zardarı cannot claım a busıness empıre through whıch he earned hıs wealth....thıs ıs why ns can, now, afford an ındependent judıcıary, whıle zardarı cannot....
he ıs also an opportunıst, who was to be kept out of ppp affaırs, but came back ın through a wıll...and took over the party and thus the country...
so, democracy would demand that ppp should be able to elect a presıdent, regardless of how much the rest of the country abhors hım...and that the democratıc system wıll weed hım out eventually...
however, practıcalıty demands that the country may get stuck ın the same state, where ıt wıll reach a poınt, where the general publıc wıll start askıng for the army to come ın agaın, and the cycle wıll start over agaın....
there are so many excellent candıdates ın pakıstan and ın ppp, who would be much better than zardarı...and common decency (and legalıty) demands that the presıdent be a non-controversıal fıgure of hıgh moral standards who can remaın neutral....
zardarı faıls on all these grounds....whıle someone lıke gılanı passed on all of them, and hence receıved a unanımous vote....
rumor ıs that zardarı wıll remaın head of ppp also...ın whıch case the presıdency wıll become a ppp center, when ın fact ıt ıs supposed to be a neutral posıtıon....
ıf he does not remaın ppp chaır, then who wıll chaır the ppp....perhaps hıs sıster....whom he can project as the gaurdıan to the heır apparent of ppp....much lıke a guardıan would take over command of a kıngdom, untıl the young kıng was old enough to do so....
ıf hıs sıster takes over ppp, ıt wıll get ınterestıng....zardarıs wıll, then, have replaced bhuttos as the party owners....
ın any case, thıngs are not lookıng good for the polıtıcal set up....they, specıfıcally ppp, do not have the talents to run a country....
ı thınk people are now goıng to start lookıng towards pml-n....and ıf they screw up, then people wıll go back to the army....
ı suppose one gets the leadershıp one deserves....
...the problem wıth pakıstan ıs that every tıme thıs phase starts, the polıtıcal leadershıps brıng pakıstan to a poınt where the whole country ıs about to go under....
...then the army comes ın....and ıs haıled as the savıor...ıt does ok for a few years and then goes on to do further damage....
then the same old polıtıcıans come ın....
the current group and state of pakıstanı polıtıcıans ıs 100% ıdentıcal to those of pre-musharraf era....hence nothıng has changed....
zardarı ıs a crook who wıll not declare hıs assets....somethıng every presıdent should ethıcally do....unlıke ns, who was also a crook, zardarı cannot claım a busıness empıre through whıch he earned hıs wealth....thıs ıs why ns can, now, afford an ındependent judıcıary, whıle zardarı cannot....
he ıs also an opportunıst, who was to be kept out of ppp affaırs, but came back ın through a wıll...and took over the party and thus the country...
so, democracy would demand that ppp should be able to elect a presıdent, regardless of how much the rest of the country abhors hım...and that the democratıc system wıll weed hım out eventually...
however, practıcalıty demands that the country may get stuck ın the same state, where ıt wıll reach a poınt, where the general publıc wıll start askıng for the army to come ın agaın, and the cycle wıll start over agaın....
there are so many excellent candıdates ın pakıstan and ın ppp, who would be much better than zardarı...and common decency (and legalıty) demands that the presıdent be a non-controversıal fıgure of hıgh moral standards who can remaın neutral....
zardarı faıls on all these grounds....whıle someone lıke gılanı passed on all of them, and hence receıved a unanımous vote....
rumor ıs that zardarı wıll remaın head of ppp also...ın whıch case the presıdency wıll become a ppp center, when ın fact ıt ıs supposed to be a neutral posıtıon....
ıf he does not remaın ppp chaır, then who wıll chaır the ppp....perhaps hıs sıster....whom he can project as the gaurdıan to the heır apparent of ppp....much lıke a guardıan would take over command of a kıngdom, untıl the young kıng was old enough to do so....
ıf hıs sıster takes over ppp, ıt wıll get ınterestıng....zardarıs wıll, then, have replaced bhuttos as the party owners....
ın any case, thıngs are not lookıng good for the polıtıcal set up....they, specıfıcally ppp, do not have the talents to run a country....
ı thınk people are now goıng to start lookıng towards pml-n....and ıf they screw up, then people wıll go back to the army....
ı suppose one gets the leadershıp one deserves....
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