There is no ‘honour’ in killing

masadi,

some spineless excuse for an schizo has access to your account and is posting ilogs, pretending to be you:

So LongPosted: Aug 2, 2008 Sat 05:13 am Views: 143 Interacts: 2 After making peace with everybody as The New and Improved Masadi, Mr. Masadi has decided to call it quits on Chowk. I will return only to reply to interacts on my articles if the chowk staff decide to publish them.

In the meantime, I remain
Slightly elusive, never abusive

The New and Improved Masadi....


That's All Folks

HP writes "My use of the term was generic and was in reference with the land reforms. You brought up US for no reason at all"

You mean it was not generic but rather situation specific. My point was not regarding the US it was regarding "capitalism", which you cannot neatly package into situations alone. It works as a system where the "bloody" part is all too evident in Pakistan, and the bloody part has gone side by side with the opening up markets and stealing resources part....

Have a nice day and keep it real,

TNI Masadi

HP writes "Asadi sahib Answer the questions. There is no need to invoke musharraf baba he was not my phupparr!"

Oh I did in that very post, you just didn't get it because he indeed was your intellectual phupparr (whatever that means).

My post said: "Sounds like you're repeating Musharraf's speech, the kind of foreign capital that has left the country in the shape that we find it in today...."

Whereas your "claim" that land reform hasn't worked in other lands so it cannot work in Pakistan (even though based on mostly manufactured history on your part which you have a tendency of throwing together every now and them...CIA training?) is not as potent compared to mine that capital infusion from foreigners who want to invest to drain the blood of the country, will not work because it has not worked not only in other countries (the trickle down is bs) but has factually not worked in Pakistan.....

Have a nice day, and search your conscience, if you have any left,

TNI Masadi

HP writes "You brought up US for no reason at all. What land reforms have to do with US attack on Iraq?"

Salam and greetings of peace HP sahib, Haal chaal? Baal Bacha?

There was absolutely no side tracking on my part though deliberate obfuscation on yours. You are presenting a solution of "aggressive capitalism" to bypass the so called bloody solution regarding socialism. I was merely showing that capitalism is much more bloodier and not as holy and sacrosanct as you were presenting it.
Regarding solutions you offer more of the same that has not worked in our history of the past 60 years, you make claims and throw out imaginary numbers you know nothing about, all to push what Musharraf has been pushing and that is a nation being enslaved to the "not so high" bidder just because he finances a part of mind you, the Pakistan military. Further, you end the discussion as if my rebuttal of your assertion of the bloody socialism solution was the only point in my various posts...

Have a nice day, and say hi to your CIA buddies from me

TNI Masadi

Beena,

Yet another pathetic attempt to side track the issue.

Answer a simple question, there was a murder, why was no one charged with any crime, why the police did not register the murder as a crime.

Beena, learn it from me, murder is not a crime against the state in pakistan.

Beena, learn it from me, that is because of teh hoodood ordinance, the law of pakistan.

Now tell the readers Beena why neither the supreme court, nor teh sharia court, nor the parliment, nor any president will dare to change the hoodood ordinance.

For once as a jounalist, do not blame anything on Zia, he is dead and gone, any president even mushy who changed so much of pak constituiton did not dare to touch hoodood.

Beena, ple..aase..tell the truth.

Asadi,
My use of the term was generic and was in reference with the land reforms. You brought up US for no reason at all. What land reforms have to do with US attack on Iraq? But land reforms have great reference to socialism because the socialist pioneered the concept of land nationalization and distribution to landless or to the collective farms.

This is not a serious approach and shows your attempt to side track the discussion.

There is no honor in "honor killing"
Topic started by iron_mask on Sep 7, 2008 1:07:03 am

HP was right on the FP to question the the plebs (sorry the sorry-elitist-prigs) on this topic - by asking them rather searching questions with regard to "feudalism" and "land reform".

For a start, by calling such murders, "honor killings" the people are almost justifying these - its like the self-defence argument. We need to understand that no honor is preserved or served by such killings - it is plain criminality, it is the bastardisation of our mental thought process which has led to this situation - where such killings are called "honor killings".

The issue is not one of feudalism or land reform or what ever here. It is our very thinking (at its fundamental level) which needs changing.

Much as I disagree with a lot of Sarah Palin's stances (re:ID and creationism etc), I admire her strength (mental ofcourse) and determination to have a baby who has downs. The fact that she valued life. This is one thing most South Asians need to learn from the Christian west.

I gotta go now, look for some baal bacha so that I can be raazi baazi, you all take care

TNI Masadi

HP writes "Asadi sahib, please keep every thing in Pakistan's context."

Salam and greetings of peace HP sahib, my worthy friend. How goes? Where does one find baal bacha?

Your attack on socialism causing bloodshed was not limited to the pakistan scene why do you want me to limit the capitalism debate to Pakistan.

Thank you kindly for your patience and read some Quran, it does a mind good....

TNI Masadi

"Sounds like you're repeating Musharraf's speech, the kind of foreign capital that has left the country in the shape that we find it in today."

Asadi sahib Answer the questions. There is no need to invoke musharraf baba he was not my phupparr!

" how aggressive capitalism would not help end the feudalism without the kind of bloodshed that would follow the socialist type attacks of feudalism?" HP

"Aggressive capitalism has recently killed over a million in Iraq and its growing pains killed tens of millions during the 2nd WW."

Asadi sahib, please keep every thing in Pakistan's context.

I did not mean the war type of aggression. I meant the fast paced investments and major capital infusion.
Thank you!

later....

HP writes "It is next to impossible to make any industrial progress in Pakistan without encouraging foreign capital and private capital."

Sounds like you're repeating Musharraf's speech, the kind of foreign capital that has left the country in the shape that we find it in today....

TNI Masadi

HP writes "Come out of utopia. It is next to impossible to make any industrial progress in Pakistan without encouraging foreign capital and private capital. You can’t expect god fearing capital to come to invest. Capital is tied with profit no matter how bad you feel about the excessiveness of that."

Sir, my worthy friend, it is not my utopia but your "200 years" that you throw out even though we have examples of equally poor countries adopting the right policies and coming out of both their feudalism, through land reform and properly regulated and protected industry, like Korea. Your "more of the same" foreign investment will keep Pakistan a military state, as per your own contention and it will keep it just at the level of a colonized state as it has the past 60 years of its history. Your medicine is poison for the country.

HP writes "You should always be ready to deal with the CIA too."

Was that a threat that you're going to come visit me again my friend : ) Welcome anytime! Capital might not be god fearing but the state can sure put the fear of God in capital...

Thank you kindly for your time,
TNI Masadi

"Did the CIA contact you for their services?"

Asadi sahib, I retired from the CIA a long time ago.... Don't worry about CIA spoon feeding me now. This paranoia is not good for your health and intellect. You should always be ready to deal with the CIA too.


"that can be done by legislation, cutting the budget of the military, incorporating military business and land and redistribution. Then you will see how many "resources" it comes up with, I have nothing against regulated (non blood sucking private capital), and I say NO to private capital when it involves selling the state to get it"

I can't argue with this kind of information about the economy.

Sir, Pakistan army's budget is paid for from the outside. The amount of yearly payments Pak makes on it to repay some loans will not change the country for another 200 years. I would suggest you to go through the numbers and see for yourself.

Military owned businesses look good in a country where overall industrial investments and ownership is not huge. You take over the Military owned businesses and still you cannot turn Pakistan around in another 200 years.

Come out of utopia. It is next to impossible to make any industrial progress in Pakistan without encouraging foreign capital and private capital. You can’t expect god fearing capital to come to invest. Capital is tied with profit no matter how bad you feel about the excessiveness of that.

In Pakistan you end feudal and feudalism by turning to industrializing the agricultural economy. With the kind of resources we have now, this industrialization is impossible without outside investment.

Please find some baal bacha so that we can pray for them too.

Ahmad Madani writes "It will catastrophe to attack system without other social system which can give some protection.
Most people forget that while sitting in cafes in Karachi Lahore and drinking liquior or cpoffee or tea. That is intelluctual satisfaction but no protection for peasants and famalies."

Salam and greetings of peace madani sahib, haal chaal? tabyat seyhat? raazi baazi?

HP sahib, my worth friend's post is apologetics and legitimation for captialism as the only panacea against feudalism. That is certainly not the case sir. Private capital sucks on the blood of the people, we don't want to replace one bad master with another that is going to make them even more miserable due to its mode of production. Please understand this. Land reform with government help thereafter to make the peasants viable is the first way to go, regulating of industry is the second way to go. Just throwing in capitalism to a feudal structure with mega cities already bursting at the seems is no solution my friend. Thank you kindly for your time and attention. No money is required, thank you

TNI Masadi