The God Delusion

Re: # 148 tahmed23,
good points, though I am past 2 & 3 stage and do not subscribe to Geo anyway.
But point about not bashing Islam and bringing its good aspects to the fore so that mullahs' grip may be weakened is very important.
I will keep looking to find some platform to contribute - and still wondering if a venue like Chowk can be of any help.

Re: # 160; masadi sahib

whatever happened to the TNI sir? no need anymore?

one quick question ..... does acknowledgement and ownership of the TNI title imply that there WAS a need/room for "newness" and "improvement"?

Regards.

will check your response later

hamid writes "..however, i got stuck on 'alif laam meem' ..... can you explain to me what that is all about so that i can move "

Three years back he made the exact same comment on the thread of one of my articles. HP answered him, asking him to move on from there and not make excuses, yet after three years he repeats the same in order to delude and deceive, providing empirical evidence for the part in the book that says that for those whose hearts have been sealed (due to their perversions) will find no guidance. Hamid mian, you're wasting your time reading the book, a more worthwhile spending of time for you would be to read the labels off those cans/bottles you buy for the purpose of self-stupification.......trying to pass yourself off as a Homer Simpson wont work, after all you are not the right skin color in that land of hypocrisy and racism...

Re: # 154; hamidm sahib
[[just tell me what alif, lam, meem means]]

Sir I can't help you on that personally but quin sahib here tells me one can forget about the "lam and meem" quite safely .........

......... according to him "ikko 'alif' tere darkaar"! ..... now it would be his turn to tell us all what that "alif" is??

thanks for the latest in the al-lah/gabby saga sir!

Khuda Hafiz for now

quin ji

You seem to be genuinely interested in bringing about a change (as you think necessary) among Muslims.

Sincere best wishes. Many of us might find your logic pretty weak, but good people have never been stopped by others who accused them of being illogical. So don't waste your time on us doubters, and march ahead, as you would like to. May you have much success.

(Yours is not a lone voice.)

I can make a fool understand the whole world, but can not make a believer understand a single new word. Believers simply eat reasoning and digest it very well.

Father of Albert Einstein

hamidm: hmmm...no more religious questions? there must be some problem i can fix for you!!

#154 that means you skip it.

(they dont pay me by the word on chowk to answer your religious question, so excuse the brief answer).

Re: # 152

tahmed,

.... okay, forget about the sex part - that obviously is out of your league .... just tell me what 'alif laam meem' means so that i can go on with my home study program .....

thank you for your guidance

#151 you obviously never had an empty stomach.

hamidm #150 you are a big boy now, and dont need my guidance on when to have sex. if you still have this urge for guidance, send your question in to some TV mullah - they love such questions.

Re: # 150 Posted by hamidm2 on September 17, 2008 12:31:45 pm

hamid mian,

[.. i am particularly interested in finding out if you can have sex after sehri before the azan ..]

How can you have sex with a full stomach? Usually people have sex first and then the food part comes. Did you not know how we desis function? No wonder...

Re: # 148

tahmed,

.... i tried to follow your advice and started reading the blessed manual (no, i wasn't looking for the reciepe for a suicide vest) ...... however, i got stuck on 'alif laam meem' ..... can you explain to me what that is all about so that i can move on an ..... i am particularly interested in finding out if you can have sex after sehri before the azan .......

thank you for your guidance ....

quin: so those are some thoughts. if you wish to spend the time and effort needed to organize a movement, hope these ideas will prove helpful. if not, then at least we are living our own lives as our common sense tells us we should, not the way some paid flunky on TV or in the mosque wearing a beard or hijab says we should.

quin #142 any organized movement to separate the mullah's grip on Islam, and to bring the focus back on the core message of Islam (admirably encapsulated in your phrase that I quoted below) would require a commitment of time and effort.

As for ideas, I can only relate some things I did in my own for myself over the past 20-30 years (as opposed to trying to fix society at large):

1. Use the RTBM (Read the Blessed Manual) rule: Read the Quran carefully in order to satisfy yourself that you are on the right track (as encapsulated in your abovementioned sentence). The focus on acting in accordance. Dont think that by re-reading the Quran you are doing God any favors - contrary to popular belief, re-reading the Quran does not win you brownie points any more than memorizing the book on swimming wins you olympic gold medals.

2. Dont waste time trying to understand Islam as narrated by "aalims" on TV, in khutbas, dars etc. Their livelihood depends on making a meal out of it.

3. Keep an eye on your children going to sunday school: I have seen a number of parents live to regret having sent their children to sunday school where the semi-literate maulvi will teach them his jahil mindset in the guise of "islam". One couple had their daughter start wearing a hijab as a result of sunday school, and no amount of reasoning by her mother has had any effect.

Speak up when you can to loosen the mullah's grip on Islam: Certainly the TV and internet are two media that have proved their effectiveness in Pakistan in a different context (i.e. in broadcasting the lawyer's movement that resulted in the end of musharraf's grip on Pakistan). So, let Geo know that you are stop your subscription. Dont just say "Islam is bad" (as Hamidm does, e.g.) since that self-defeating because it merely validates the mullah's grip on islam.

In #146 Posted by pinku on September 17,
"Even religions themselves should have been evolving... " this line was dropped...