The God Delusion

Mike, have you heard the parable of the little lamb that fell in love with a long-toothed fox?

To Whom It May Concern:

It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get.
Confucius

Re: # 173

masadi mian,

.... i think the nacirema are less weird than the moslems ..... have you ever seen them bang their head on the floor five times a day and torture their ankles? .... that, my friend, is much harder to understand ....

Re #174, Hamid I don't think you have either the brains or the morals to come to any conclusions regarding "God", with special emphasis on the "brains" part.

Re: # 172

masadi mian,

... don't put words in my mouth - i never said god does not exist ..... i just think he is incompetent, a slouch, a bum and a reprobate who is high on bad hooch and peyote pakoras .....

Your short comments on the Nacirema and what you think of them will be appreciated. Thank you kindly,

TNI Masadi

hamid writes "..... and then there is this whole question of war, strife, famine, plague, babies dying of cancer, head lice and tahmed ....."

And what do you want to do about those things, close your eyes and invoke the "Great American Dream" to solve those problems and rubbish the efforts of those who want to uncover the "causes"? Or better still remove the real culprits from any blame and blame a God you say doesn't exist! Very convenient don't you think? So, science is ok where it concerns disproving "God" but where it concerns positive evidence for such a "thing"~ possibly similar to how scientists perceive "dark matter and energy" is "real" and "exists", you say "NO, it cannot be done". I say, you all are closer to the mullah then either you or CIA mike would like to admit...

Have a nice day, and get a brain, brain farts wont do....

TNI Masadi

CIA mike writes to hamid "This is the funniest f.... post I have ever read. You should be a SNL writer."

CIA mike how goes? Found some piece of garbage and want to expand its worth just because it fits in with what you dumb mentality and its prejudice. If you want "funny" read this

Body Ritual among the Nacirema
https://www.msu.edu/~jdowell/miner.html

Let us see how smart you and your pal Hamid are to discover just how relevant this is to your sorry cases...

Have a nice day,

TNI Masadi

Re: # 160

masadi mian,

..... you mean to tell me that it has been three years since i have been stuck on alif laam meem? .... damn! .... how time flies when you are pondering the divine navel ..... the muslim ummah has been pondering those three words for fifteen hundred years and they are still waiting for tahmed to explain it to them ...... some of them are so frustrated by those words that they have taken to blowing themselves up and beheading others .......

.... masadi mian, i am a deeply spiritual man and i would really really like to believe in god or the spaghetti monster if they would give me a reason - all i need is a sign .... anything ... i am afraid of things that go bump in the night, but i just can't be afraid of a god who threatens you with fire and brimstone and wants you to pray to him five times a day and kill goats and go out and kill hindoos ...... i don't like the horrible hindoos and i don't care much for goats either, but i just can't go out and kill these poor miserable creatures just because he wants me to ...... it is really that simple .... and then there is this whole question of war, strife, famine, plague, babies dying of cancer, head lice and tahmed .....

quin ji

I disagree with your views, and your analyses/explanations are extremely wishy-washy, but you seem to be a sincere person trying to do good in your own apolitical way. You come across more a poet than anything else. When people are not locked in a political fight, differences large or small don't matter.

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With your poetic gifts, your sensitive soul, and your passion for your views, you may be able to do much. Just avoid the pitfall of spending most of your time merely preaching to the converted, or convining people who are not your real opponents. Whatever I or any other unbeliver/outsider actually think of your approach is immaterial, so long as you have these wonderfully apolitical set of goals.

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mike, are you new here? If you found that funny, then you don't know what you have missed from hamidm earlier.

#145
Hamidm:

This is the funniest f.... post I have ever read. You should be a SNL writer.

I have a question for you about methods employed by Colonel Rodgers (1899-1902 Islamic insurgencies in the Philippines). I understand Russian security forces used such methods to deter potential Chechen terrorists from future attacks.

tahmed writes "to save islam from the grip of the mullah"

As long as the global capitalist system ensures that the vast majority of people living in Muslim majority lands are kept uneducated, with no state support, the Mullah will keep his hold on the masses. Those that benefit from this setup, the capitalist elite and their employed (by proxy) Mullah will always win the battle if you merely rely on "newspapers" etc, which is an unintelligent way to combat the Mullah. But since tahmed sahib is in support of the structure that maintains the Mullah, is he really sincere in his advocacy of "rescuing" Islam from the grip of the Mullah. Certainly the psycho-solutions of the Sohail variety only help the Mullah and do nothing to loosen his grip on Islam...

Cheema sahib, everyone can improve and I certainly can but that improvement does not imply I move towards the direction of sellouts and dimwits, rather it is a move in the other direction. Hope that answers your question,

Have a nice day,

TNI Masadi

Re: # 159 dear cheema sb.,
It was not me who said, "iko alif taray darkar"
Bulley Shah said it. And of course you understand what this metaphor means. Or you really don't?

I won't even try to explain that because if every metaphor could be explained why there will be metaphors in the first place. Why there will be need for figurative language. Why there would be poetry, music and art.
Personaly for me, this metaphor of Bulley Shah is like a an ocean which knows no bounds but I don't consider it an imperative for me to explain it.

If we cannot appreciate this type of metaphor, and only find it fit for reidicule, what can we understand of the mythical and mystical language of Quran?

But just to give a hint to those who can take, I quoted Theorue earlier who said, knowledge comes in flashes - (of course without detail there is no knowledge) - but what is the catalyst for those flashes - that which systhesize and internalize the details into knowledge?

Regarding 'alif laam meem' - I recall part of a story of a student (seeker), who went to learn from a Buddhist monk. Serving him the tea, the monk kept filling it while it was overflowing. The seeker brought his attention to it and the monk said, if your cup is already full how can I give you more.

Re: # 158 Eklavya bhai,
many thanks for your kind words. I agree about my logic - rather you labeling it as logic shows your generosity - in fact it is not logic at all.
As I said earlier somewhere, if all we need is logic, then we probably don't need literature, and other arts. Where linear and logical thinking ends, that is where these other modes of expressions start. And that is why I said my voice is a voice of loner.
My post about 'The God Delusion' was not as much addressed to doubters, as per your term, but more to express my anger at believers. So I don't know why you are advising me to not waste time on doubters. Second, even the so called believers can be doubters too. Without doubt, there is no authentic faith. Who can examplify that more than the founder of monotheism Prophet Abarahm. He was the biggest doubter. These are all paradoxes and with our logical mind which just want to see the black and white, we cannot see the nature of these paradoxes. So I waste not time on anything.
The preassumption built in your advise is as I am trying to convert anyone to a certain view point. That keep coming again and again, and I have to repeat it that I am just expressing what I feel strongly. And by some fluke I found Chowk as a venue to give expression to those feelings / sentiments / pardoxical ideas, whatever you can call it.
I hope you are not saying that Chowk is not a place for expression of this sort, so I should not be here. Won't that come under exclusivity we so hate in religion?
Or this time, I am misreading you, as at occasions you have misread me.

#163 chowk has too few "eyes" looking at it to be useful for any efforts at the national (let alone international) level to save islam from the grip of the mullah. you should chose a newspaper/tv etc. with greater readership or viewership.

as long as you dont surrender islam to mullahs and chose to use your own common sense - you are doing fine anyway.

Re: # 148 tahmed23,
good points, though I am past 2 & 3 stage and do not subscribe to Geo anyway.
But point about not bashing Islam and bringing its good aspects to the fore so that mullahs' grip may be weakened is very important.
I will keep looking to find some platform to contribute - and still wondering if a venue like Chowk can be of any help.