A Guantanomized Age

I havent read the article so i dont know what he wrote. most of u r certifiably nutts as its obvious from your interactions..some of u n ur ancestors have been wronged by abduls n abdalis n ghauris..so ur constapation is understandable...

however bhai mian bhatti sahib n clifton bibi...most of what u r sayin has merit...after all the randi rona (thanks stuka) muslims still have more rights in america than lets say yemen or saudi arabia...but the diff my dear friends is that those 2 countries never claim to be the champions of decency n human rights. There barabarism is naked no ifs n buts about it. America is suppose to be the flag-bearer of everything noble n holy...n for the most part it is...but when u kill a million ppl on a mere whim than at the least chacha tahmed the bigot shouldnt get his senior-diapers in a knot...wat is this paranoia...no one is going to cancel ur citizenship chacha n shove u back in mian-chunnoon where the raging nutsoos will whip u like a bitch for being qadiyani..take a chil pill....

junaid is not alone in questioning the recent human rights violations of our dearest ms. usa...ACLU, Sean Penn, Susan sarandon, Tim Robbins, Jenen girafflo and millions more are not apologetic muslims last i checked...there r just ppl with consience who call a sped a sped (thanks cobra)

Yep, It's all hanood's fault... pakis are turning up as terrorists all over the globe - all because indians are abusing islam...

Mullah32 is spot on.... Ha ha...

Eklavya, where did I ridicule Junaid? I ridiculed tahmed. Doesn't everyone? even silly cartoonish characters like Masadi make fun of him. But if you want me to stop, then fine, I will. But I will not stop making fun of you though!!

The author writes "The demand to denounce is, in short, a demand for an a prior admission of guilt."

Junaid sahib let me congratulate you for this fine sentence above. You have peered through the BS that describes the US mainstream media to get to the heart of the matter.

This repeated call for denunciation, even after denunciation has been done is for the prime purpose of Muslims (in the mass, who are moderate) to acknowledge the farce of the US GWOT as being based on fact and reality, when it is anything but. What the mainstream media doesn't like is the addition of the word "but" which signifies less than full submission to the US farce of the GWOT. The kind of submission they want is the kind of submission Musharraf offered the US by stating that this war was in fact Pakistan's war, and as you know these barbarians can work through dictators but they cannot work through the people. So tahmed might talk all he wants against Musharraf now when he had fallen out of favor with the Americans but know for sure that both the US and tahmed were in Musharraf's pants not too long ago.

Have a nice day,

TNI Masadi

#27 Posted by Eklavya on

Eklavya,
You should join politics:-) You can keep people guessing after a long speech, conclusion of all meetings will be equivocal and blame of a wrong decision will always go to the "other" guy:-)

Good thing will be that nobody will be too unhappy and bad will be that nobody will be too happy, that is the most conducive environment for politics.

Tahmed writes "you unable to see the efforts made by average citizens as well as government officials in the west to make sure muslims are treated as fellow citizens."

Tahmed means the efforts on CNN, Fox News and other mainstream corporate media that is fighting a war against Islamo-fascism and equating through illogical generalization the so-called terrorists with Hitler, or detaining through secret evidence anyone who might be termed a threat to the status quo, or sifting all Muslim men for special processing while giving a pass from even visa requirements to white Europeans from several lands. Muslims are a long ways away, these "average citizens" and their government haven't even come close to ensuring that African Americans get treated as citizens, they are either locked up in "Third world" like ghettos or physically in prison. Tahmed sahib spare us your Kalima, the mainstream culture has demonized the Muslims and no well advertised personal kindness can do away with the effects of this demonization that is driving the farce called the Global War on Terror. Have some decency,

and have a nice day,
TNI Masadi

Tahmed writes "As for the west - are you deaf and blind, you idiot Mr. Junaid?? Are you unable to see that muslims are going about their lives better in the US than in any muslim country? Are you unable to see the efforts made by average citizens as well as government officials in the west to make sure muslims are treated as fellow citizens. That is why the same clowns who rant against the US fall over one another to send their children to the US, away from the mess created by sectarian violence, mullah terrorism and so forth!!"


Tahmed sahib, salam and greetings of peace, how are you doing these days? Haal chaal is raazi baazi with baal bacha that are US born?

I red-flagged your post because of your unjustified personal attack on the author that you did for the prime purpose of defending your "gods", and not because the points of the author were badly made. Only a "blind person" or a religious fanatic of the church of WMW (like yourself) will not see what the West has done to( what it later described as) the "Third World". It sucked the material life out of it and reduced the vast majority of its people to the despicable condition they find themselves in these days, through sucking the material out of their land it in effect sucked the soul and humanity out of them. If someone is honest enough to point out the contradictions in the stated motive of these Western elite (thugs) and the objective consequences of their actions, the vast realm of "false consciousness" that drives this system- which for you is the Holy Bible of your religion of WMW,the entire catechism on which your worldview rests, that does not mean you call the author an idiot and what not.

Further, just because Muslims are caught up in this falsehood driven by fake imagery of an enlightened West, because they live in a Western dominated world like everyone else, does not mean you use their desire to escape Western created misery to go to a US, where a misery of a different sort awaits them- that of an ascribed identity of inferiority by the white man, that you should berate the author. Have some shame and act on your own advice of arguing not through insults but through facts, and for sure your "facts" are lacking in credibility as evidence.

Have a nice day,

TNI Masadi

Chalta, this is what I have not understood. Why would you like to ridicule Junaid, unless you wanted to change him in some ways? yaa sirf masti? :)

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tahmed ji, agreed. One complains against a perceived 'stronger' party, not against someone less important. :)

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rabia, ajeya and I differ in that I don't see that view as 'poison.'

Muslims, IMO, are raised to focus on justice. All (reasonable and self-aware) Muslims of all backgrounds wish to fight injustice in their own unique ways (liberal, less liberal, marxist, Islamist). They differ only in how or when they wish to go about fighting this injustice and which particular injustice they want to focus on (at any time). For some this injustice might be by Americans, for others, the most important injustice may be by another set of people, and so on.

This is actually a good thing and a credit to people. Asking ANY Muslim to not worry about (in)justice would probably be a very tall order. At best, one can suggest that they first become strong enough to enforce (their brand of) justice as they see it; or in each case separately, at each time in point, try to explain why what they see as an unjust situation really isn't (as some people are trying to do here).

#23 rabiawasti: that is indeed my attitude - but only towards those hindus who come to chowk with only one thing on their mind, namely how to berate islam, muslims, pakistanis.

That does not change anything I wrote in #21 though.

#20 where exactly do you see the article saying anything about hindus, eklavya bhai. Mr. Junaid is too good for mere Indians - he (like virtually every Pakistani who likes to whine like him) whines about the US. (see reasons in #21 below)

Once again kaal...you go on supposing. Do you think I am trying to convince someone? what gave you that silly idea? bhai mere...it is pure ridicule.

"This is my guess - they dont think anything of the Indians, so Indians' opinions dont matter to them. However, they look up to the US and the west, and so thrill in getting any attention from the US or the west"

tahmed32, aren't you the one who dismissed the hindu attitude towards Islam a few posts ago as being shaped by their 1000 years of slavery? So wouldn't the above quote describe your attitude rather well?

by quoting #9 I wasn't endorsing it. I was just explaining to krbhatti that #2 and #9 are saying the same thing, only #9 is a bit more clear.

#15 bhatti sahib: This obviously has to do with human psychology. And one can only guess.

This is my guess - they dont think anything of the Indians, so Indians' opinions dont matter to them. However, they look up to the US and the west, and so thrill in getting any attention from the US or the west - and so the Junaid's of Paksitan wallow in this whining about the US and the west, since it bolsters their sense of self-importance.

That, like I said, is just an educated guess, based on the "I kicked the king" syndrome.

Cliffs and rabia, somewhat beside the point here but I still want to tell you about a beautiful little story. :)

http://www.culturalindia.net/indian-folktales/hitopadesha-tales/washerman- donkey-and-dog.html

It is from an ancient book called Hitopadesha.

This hilarious little story describes a donkey who, one dark and moonless night, tries to offer some 'good and timely advice' to a dog. The only good that that 'good and timely advice' ends up doing is that the donkey get beaten to a pulp by the dog's annoyed owner. :)

"Advice" is easy to give, hard to take, and rarely does any good at all, especially if it is from a donkey to a dog.

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What the two of you, bhatti sahib, and tahmed ji have to say might have 'some' effect but pinku, ajeya, chalta et al, IMHO, are totally wasting breath trying to contradict Junaid bhai and good people like marshakala. The harder and more passionatey these latter try, the more convinced Junaid bhai (and good people like marshakala) will become about how Muslims are unfairly treated by non-Muslims (Hindus in this case) everywhere

No point inflicting such pain on others.

I don;t think Indians or hindus are railing against Indonesian muslims or Sri lankan muslims or azerbaijani muslims....but they are railing against Pakistanis. In fact...not a day goes by where pakistan or a pakistani is not impicated in some terrorist activity somewhere. So it is not out of thin air that such opinions are formed. If you look now..the media and the US gov't has also reached a similar conclusion...stricter scrutiny at the airports, denial of visas, rounding up of illegals in brooklyn, NY...etc etc etc..and ofcourse the venerable pakiwhackers are flying high over he pakistani skies...

so while it is typical for a closet jihadi like Tahmed to rant against injuns...all facts regarding his assertions are contrary to coventional logic.