The Marriott Bombing: ‘Pakistan’s 9/11’?

Re: # 68
Mr M waqar thank you for your post..really your previous posts have left little to read between the lines....this phrase is only used when point of view is explained in a subtle and some what hidden way...just go through the posts...are you subtle?
Any how your this post has thankfully broadened to include all elite of Pakistan rather than just narrowing it down to Punjab.

hamidm

50 years is a long time - I doubt pakiland will survive that long... So time to get the kashmir is now...

onward, bedouin soldier, go fight the evil hanoods and rescue kashmir... ha ha...

#65 Posted by Skeptical....Read between the lines,I have many Punjabi friends and I was not pointing Punjabi people,writing is on the wall,I been saying this for a long time that Paki Army should punish these homegrown so called ignorant fanatic barbarian stone age mentality Taliban,if you don't do it then others will do it and if you still refuse to get rid of these fanatics then trust me foreign troops will be marching on Pakitani streets,truth is always bitter but lets admit that for the last 60 years pakistani elite and bourgeious class did not encourage education aggressively in pakistan and tribal areas,pakistani elite made whole nation fool for the last 60 or more years,pakistan is a country where people even dont have clean drinking water not mentioning so many other problems,I support Islam of MOHAMMAD(PBUH)NOT the islam of saudi arabia or zia,I do supprot Z A BHUTTO,who broguht political sense to comman man on street,who brought 90000 those soldeirswho surrendered to India,who made Pak nuclear power,who was interested to educate people.What Zia and cronies did to Pakistan,result you can see.
Mwaqar

Re: # 66
Well you have a right to "agree" or express your appreciation of Mr. M Waqar....my point is to merely bring out the biasness in his posts to counter your assertion that he is informative and "eye opening"...
Regarding his "evidence"...well frankly we do not know the authencity of that...
Regarding Beena, she is very good and unlike another famous chowk writer, Mr Nadeem Farooq Paracha, a well balanced liberal person. My only objection is that she only responds to interacts which by and large support her view point

Re: # 65 Skeptical,
Everyone has the right to disagree with the content. But Mwaqar's post are teeming with information and arguments are always presented with supporting material. Not empty rants like many are prone to to. I appreciate you supported your notion by referring to 42 to 59, but as I said everyone has right to disagree with the content.
Personally, I want to have broad perspective and information from all sides before I can form my opinion. Therefore writers like Mwaqar and Beena (and some others) are invaluable resource. In brief, I look for positives, unless negative is so big that it totally overshadows the positive. Basically, by my own account, I am an apolitical person.

Re: # 62
Oh really, are Mr, Mwaqars posts informative or just ethnic biases being rationalized through usage of marxist terminology....and one sided apparently pro PPP views.Think again...see posts 42 and 59......biased and completely motivated by defaming PPP's opponents by calling them elitist and worse reeking of provincialism .
And Beena you only seem to answer the interacts which support you...Its always a thank you thing...

Re: # 61

beena,

..... the plan to 'bleed india' was poorly managed and executed which has resulted in the 'blowback' effect, but that does not mean that pakistan should walk away from its position on kashmir after 60 years ....... it is a legitimate territorial dispute between two sovereign countries and has to be settled ...... of course, diplomacy would be the preferred path but if that doesn't work then the military option has to be kept on the table .... pakistan might not be able to exercise it today but things can change in fifty years .... it would be immoral and criminal to walk away from the kashmiri people after keeping them dangling for so many years ....

.... but right now the trouble is fata and islamic fundamantalism is the bigger problem - kashmir can stay on the back burner

Re: # 61 beenasarwar
Beens Sarwar, keep bringing us your constructive and sensible articles !!! I did had a question about your comment "A military-only option is clearly not the answer: there must be a political roadmap."
What can be the political roadmap in an atmosphere of extreme violence and distrust? When previous government tried to make any deals with some groups it lead to nowhere - Pakistan was blamed for being soft by US and probably catalyzed Musharraf's ouster - and bigots kept killing any elders which were sympathetic to Pakistan Government. What can be the political roadmap in such dire conditions?

Re: # 59 KHYBER
Mwaqar, your posts are informative and eye-opening articles on their own right with refreshing perceptivity and distinctive viewpoint. I checked your blog too and they are outstanding. You might want to consider sending article on current situation for FP publishing.
At least you may want to add link to your blogs as part of your signature on these posts.

Re: # 59
Mwaqar, thanks for the additional information. You correctly point out a lot of the factors behind the current situation, including the 'separate electorate'. However, one of the few things to Musharraf's credit is the restoration of the joint electorate. Hopefully, if the democratic process continues, many of the problems will sort themselves out.

Re: #60 _arjun24 - All I can say is that many of 'us pakis' are critical of our government policies and have long opposed the 'the plan to bleed india'. Neither do we want Kashmir falling in our lap - and I don't think many Ksshmiris want that either.

roses are red
violets are blue
the jihadis you created
are killing a whole bunch of you


that's the only way pakis will learn...

how's the plan to bleed india and have kashmir fall in your lap going for you?

Beena,Thanks for your elicitation and I agree with you that we should not make this Punjabi vs others ,its not the punjabi people who are facing same problems of discrimination as others like pathns,sindihs and balcuh,its the elite class of of punjabi bougeious like Nawaz and others who are involve in crimes against humanity.
A saying goes, "Humanity suffers a lot not because of the wickedness of bad people but because of the silence of good people. Pukhtoonkhwa Gov just warned Punjab that
that militancy was gaining strength in its backyard. Intelligence sources estimate that around 2000 people from southern and northern Punjab province moved to South Waziristan since March 2005.Inspector General of Police in Punjab province Shaukat Javed stated that Um-e-Hasan, the wife of the Red Mosque cleric Maulana Abdul Aziz, is training girls enrolled at her Jamia Hafsa madrassa in Islamabad to be suicide bombers.
In the Punjab province, the government is also aware of the threats originating from the madrassas. It reviewed the role of the individual madrassas and their connections with the Taliban this year. In July 2008, it declared 80 madrassas in the province to be dangerous, and has now ordered regular monitoring of extremist activities in them. The 80 madrassas identified by the province government as having the potential to challenge the government's authority like the Islamabad Jamia Hafsa and Red Mosque madrassas are located in the districts of the province as follows: 12 in Lahore, one in Sheikhupura, one in Gujranwala, two in Sialkot, 14 in Rawalpindi (twin city of Islamabad), seven in Attock, one in Chakwal, four in Faisalabad, four in Jhang, one in Toba Tek Singh, three in Multan, three in Sahiwal, one in Vehari, [seven] in Khanewal, one in Lodhran, six in Bahawalpur, eight in Rahimyar Khan, and four in Bahawal Nagar. Now we know who is burning our pukhtoon girls schools in SWAT and other pukhtoon areas. In the 1980s, two intersecting developments in Pakistan resulted in the proliferation and expansion of jihadi Islam and groups seeking to impose narrowly defined Islamic government by force. The first was the US-Saudi-Pakistani effort to transform the Afghan resistance into a jihad against the Soviet Union; the second was the Pakistani state's use of Islam to maintain its legitimacy.Under Zia, Christians, Hindus, Ahmadiyyas, Parsees and other religious minorities were excluded from holding high office in government. Christians and Hindus were further marginalized by the imposition of separate electorates: they can only vote for candidates from their own religious communities, and cannot vote for Muslim candidates. Sectarian Muslim groups have invoked Zia's anti-blasphemy law to harass Christians, and the law has also been exploited to gain unfair advantage over Christians in personal rivalries and land disputes. To date, there has only been one case where the anti-blasphemy law was used against a Muslim. Its so obvious that Punjabi mullahs, Punjabi politicians and Punjabi elite are responsible for all this chaos. These ignorant fanatic Taliban attack pathan politicians,closing music centers in pakhtoonkhawa,closing our girls schools in our region but why no one says anything about the HEERA MUNDI of Lahore ,thses ignorant mullahs don’t see heera mundi but they see girls going to schools. it’s a shame that in Peshawar people in mosques are spreading hate and asking our young people to join so called fanatics jihad, mullahs know how to spread hate,when mullahs were living on charity and left over bread of others there brains were straight but when cruel dictator Zia put money in their pockets they started killing people.
Mwaqar

Harish #57 I am sure you mean what you say, and I know there are many, many Indians who think the same way. But..you will I hope acknowledge that I am not wrong in saying there are many Indians who have not reconciled to the idea of Pakistan as a separate nation.

btw, do you really think I generalize about Indians? I have probably done this a few times, and I am sorry for that. I do try most of the time to be careful in making sure what I say does not malign an entire community or country.

#53 by tahmed32

At least the Indians are consistent in their hatred for Pakistan.

Whoa!! Amongst Pakis when it comes to generalizations, you tahmed32 sahib are the king. Rest assured that had it not been for terrorists sneaking into India be it in Kashmir or Punjab or even as far as Hyderabad and Bangalore (mind you, with active support from your country) to kill and maim us, we would have absolutely no reason to hate Pakistan.

to complete #55: and, regardless of what you were taught, being old is not a crime. just as being a panjabi is not a crime.

#54 Bhaati gate dwellers are better than treacherous and cowardly color-changers like you. Rest assured.

As for the rest of your post, I wont lower myself to your level by calling you names as well. If you cant deal with the facts, that is your problem.