Beena Sarwar September 21, 2008
#38 Posted by tahmed32 on September 23, 2008 1:56:12 pm
and Pakistan, with the Grace of God, and despite the ill-wishes of the mqm followers on this board, will survive its current crisis and prosper.
#37 Posted by tahmed32 on September 23, 2008 1:51:32 pm
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#36 Posted by rf786 on September 23, 2008 1:30:46 pm
Re: # 34
mohar11
A country that cannot provide security or basic amenities to it people after 60 odd years can and should be assessed as a failed enterprise. Now that failed enterprise may need a new vision or management or its more valuable in smaller pieces. Whatever happens, it will have ripple effects in the entire region and has to be handled with extreme care and the Paki establishment is playing that card.
mohar11
A country that cannot provide security or basic amenities to it people after 60 odd years can and should be assessed as a failed enterprise. Now that failed enterprise may need a new vision or management or its more valuable in smaller pieces. Whatever happens, it will have ripple effects in the entire region and has to be handled with extreme care and the Paki establishment is playing that card.
#35 Posted by rf786 on September 23, 2008 1:26:32 pm
Re: # 33
Somalia is not a good example because the country Pakistan is a federation of different ethnicities. Chances of the country being split into North and South are higher than a complete meltdown, then again this conjecture and it may remain the same for the forseeable future.
Somalia is not a good example because the country Pakistan is a federation of different ethnicities. Chances of the country being split into North and South are higher than a complete meltdown, then again this conjecture and it may remain the same for the forseeable future.
#34 Posted by mohar1l on September 23, 2008 1:24:43 pm
rf786
[...Maybe that is the solution...]
I agree - pakistan as a state does not make any sense any more... seems like it exists only to be used as a plaything by its military... and worse still - military these days is in cross purposes with the population - so any semblance of a functioning state has been steadily eroded...
[...Maybe that is the solution...]
I agree - pakistan as a state does not make any sense any more... seems like it exists only to be used as a plaything by its military... and worse still - military these days is in cross purposes with the population - so any semblance of a functioning state has been steadily eroded...
#33 Posted by PKSZ_shadbad on September 23, 2008 12:00:35 pm
Re: # 32 no need to bring examples from around the world - remaining Pak-stan (amputated half in 71) is already half dead again. If this is living then what is dying?
At best it is a failed state like Somalia.
In its zombie state it will half-live until Uncle Sam will keep it resuscitated as they deem it fit.
By now Pak-stan is nothing other than Pak-Military. That is why there so much militancy. Like Israel, that is the only other country created based on religion and both are source of misery for their own people as well as for the area.
At best it is a failed state like Somalia.
In its zombie state it will half-live until Uncle Sam will keep it resuscitated as they deem it fit.
By now Pak-stan is nothing other than Pak-Military. That is why there so much militancy. Like Israel, that is the only other country created based on religion and both are source of misery for their own people as well as for the area.
#32 Posted by rf786 on September 23, 2008 11:05:47 am
Re: # 16
Dear Thinkingstorm,
"Pakistan is. And will be."
Nice thoughts but recent history would suggest otherwise, take Yugoslavia for example, today the country is divided into three parts. Maybe that is the solution.
Dear Thinkingstorm,
"Pakistan is. And will be."
Nice thoughts but recent history would suggest otherwise, take Yugoslavia for example, today the country is divided into three parts. Maybe that is the solution.
#31 Posted by laddu on September 23, 2008 10:40:43 am
The Iranian Parliament voted in favor of a bill Tuesday that would punish apostasy with the death penalty, a human rights group reported. Lawmakers approved the bill with 196 votes in favor, seven against.
#30 Posted by jang on September 23, 2008 10:37:34 am
"just muslims and pakis struggling to build a new nation."
deir aye pur durust aye...this is a much clearer vision than jinas stuff of august 11.
now once who the just muslims and paak muslims are is defined implementation should be fast and successful.
deir aye pur durust aye...this is a much clearer vision than jinas stuff of august 11.
now once who the just muslims and paak muslims are is defined implementation should be fast and successful.
#29 Posted by laddu on September 23, 2008 10:18:26 am
Paki munafiqoons are now on the line of fire..
my favourite murtid hamidm wanted Pakis to push jehadis into india....that is what they started doing ......but now the jehadis have grown fatter by his support and are now going to kill those very munafiqoons who have fed them with the hatred for indians.......
now hamidm.........hope your daughters were not in that hotel!!
my favourite murtid hamidm wanted Pakis to push jehadis into india....that is what they started doing ......but now the jehadis have grown fatter by his support and are now going to kill those very munafiqoons who have fed them with the hatred for indians.......
now hamidm.........hope your daughters were not in that hotel!!
#28 Posted by CreateAlpha on September 23, 2008 5:29:33 am
Hamidm, the only person we can say for sure who cannot be complicit in this deadly act of terrorism is Benazir. or can we? hmmmm..
#27 Posted by hamidm2 on September 23, 2008 5:13:09 am
Re: # 24
ijaz,
... are you saying that zardari is behind this blast ? ..... that rascal !
ijaz,
... are you saying that zardari is behind this blast ? ..... that rascal !
#26 Posted by laddu on September 22, 2008 10:12:16 pm
fiazyeen islam?
what a joke.
indeed the paki enlightened munafiqoons were the targets as i predicted....
come on fidayeens, wipe off these gora munafiqoonz.
what a joke.
indeed the paki enlightened munafiqoons were the targets as i predicted....
come on fidayeens, wipe off these gora munafiqoonz.
#25 Posted by ijaz_gul on September 22, 2008 10:00:42 pm
read this.
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12267391&am p;am p;fsrc=nwlgafree
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12267391&am p;am p;fsrc=nwlgafree
#24 Posted by ijaz_gul on September 22, 2008 9:58:48 pm
Khyber,
I tend to agree. This blast is home grown unless the investigation like that of BB is deliberately misled.
This appears to be the same group as Sheraton, US Consulate, bids on Musharraf, FIA building, Naval war College and assasination of BB.
If you add who benefitted from BB's death? a new working theory comes into existence.
By the way, the only surviving gaurd who also took part in the rescue died the next day of a mysterious accident.
I tend to agree. This blast is home grown unless the investigation like that of BB is deliberately misled.
This appears to be the same group as Sheraton, US Consulate, bids on Musharraf, FIA building, Naval war College and assasination of BB.
If you add who benefitted from BB's death? a new working theory comes into existence.
By the way, the only surviving gaurd who also took part in the rescue died the next day of a mysterious accident.
#23 Posted by KHYBER on September 22, 2008 8:17:53 pm
A group calling itself Fedayeen Islam (Partisans of Islam) last night said it carried out the bombing on Saturday which killed at least 53 people, and demanded that Pakistan end its alliance with the US,the sophistication and reach of extremist groups is the result of the army's past patronage of jihadists to fight proxy wars in Afghanistan and India. It is these groups, rather than the Pakistani Taliban in the north-west fringe, that may be most deeply linked to al-Qaida's agenda of global jihad. Groups such as Harkatul Jehadul Islami, led by Qari Saifullah, and Lashkar-e-Taiba appear to have gone rogue, having been nurtured by the ISI intelligence agency for years. There are fears that sympathisers in the ISI and army continue to help such groups, possibly providing the military explosives used in the Marriott blast.Osama bin Laden's involvement with Pakistani militant organisations was very well established even before 9/11 and I am sure NAWAZ SHARIF knows that too as he took alot of money from Osama.These ignorant barbarian Taliban must be crushed and hang their dead bodies in center of every city so these ignorant religious fanatics can learn how it feels when innocent people die,Taliban and ignorant religious fanatics are real threat in Pakistan: not imminent “Islamic revolution�, state failure or loss of control of nuclear weapons, but a spread of terror, with sooner or later – as in Algeria and elsewhere – the State in desperation resorting to counter-terror in response. The State will survive but the bloodshed could dwarf anything seen since the loss of East Pakistan. Lets not blame INDIA,ISRAEL and Afghan for every terror attack in Pakistan,its like hidding you head in sands.The problem is The civilian govt in Pakistan is toothless. Real power lies with the Army Chief and ISI.Pak army gears up for its battle with Taliban/Al Qaeda in the frontier areas, allow real democracy to flourish there.
Lets pay our tribute to the un named security guard who after receiving the warning from the suicide bomber that the truck was about to explode, refused to leave his post and tried to put out the fire. He may have prevented the explosion. An act of valour which deserves the hisghest award.No one can live in denial of facts and the truth apparently hurts. Pakistanis has to wake up to what is happening around them otherwise the security of that country will slip into mayhem.The common man is a soft target of the militants and the government has no resources or no plans to manage a disaster of this magnitude.
Mwaqar
Lets pay our tribute to the un named security guard who after receiving the warning from the suicide bomber that the truck was about to explode, refused to leave his post and tried to put out the fire. He may have prevented the explosion. An act of valour which deserves the hisghest award.No one can live in denial of facts and the truth apparently hurts. Pakistanis has to wake up to what is happening around them otherwise the security of that country will slip into mayhem.The common man is a soft target of the militants and the government has no resources or no plans to manage a disaster of this magnitude.
Mwaqar
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