The Marriott Bombing: ‘Pakistan’s 9/11’?

Re: # 12

Pak gov is no longer in charge. I would like pavocavalry's thoughts if Pak is already in an end game scenario.

Thanks

giani

Pakistan has it got all wrong. These are genuine heroes and freedom-fighters who are waging a brave struggle for their liberty, self-determination and independence from opression by kafirs. The only way to address the violence is to listen to their genuine grievances, provide assistance for economic development, education and provide the freedom for them to tell everyone else what to do.

Wasn't this the prescription Pakistan proferred to India and the US all along? Can't take their own medicine hey?

By the way for the benefit of the cerebrally disadvantaged, the first para of my post is sarcastic

Why Rehman Malik need to lie???

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Rehman Malik, the chief of Pakistan's interior ministry, said a dinner hosted by the speaker of the parliament for the government and military top brass had been planned at the Marriott on Saturday, but security fears led to a change. "At the eleventh hour the dinner was shifted to the prime minster's house, which saved Pakistan's entire military and political leadership," Malik said.

Malik's revelation was disputed by the management of the hotel, which said no such booking had been made. Whatever the truth, the bombing appeared to signal a new phase in the militants' war against the state, with the country feeling as if it is sliding towards chaos. "Pakistan is teetering on the brink," said Farzana Shaikh, associate research fellow at Chatham House. "There is a weak and deeply divided government and a disorientated army with no clear strategy."

thinkingstorm #18 {"There's no messiah solution for this. No leader can move us out of this....this is a slow and steady march towards progress, and a new Pakistan.

It starts from hearts and minds, in conversations, over blogosphere, at schools colleges..."}


TS Pi,
What an uplifting and encouraging series of inspirational ideas.

Just like '47 - no punju, no mojo, no sindhi, no pathan, no baluchi, no bihari, no shia, no sunni, no ahmedi, no agha khani - just muslims and pakis struggling to build a new nation. Pakistan Zindabad.

Re: # 17

Adversity and Change. In times of adverse change, people can panic and run around like headless chickens OR they can recollect and reflect how they got here, and how to get out.

There's no messiah solution for this. No leader can move us out of this....this is a slow and steady march towards progress, and a new Pakistan.

It starts from hearts and minds, in conversations, over blogosphere, at schools colleges...

it is a renewed sense of purpose and hope...

it is a belief that we will remember the past and learn from it, but not remain a victim to it, nor nostalgic.

It is the knowledge that the future is built from the rubble of today. One brick at a time.

We must each take a step forward knowing that within each of us, there is the potential to shape the nation.

So we should remain calm, and start to figure out what each of us can do to move the country forward.
with much respect,
thinking storm

Thinkingstorm #16 {"THIRD, Pakistan is here to stay. It's not going anywhere"}

TS Pi,
Very well said. From adversity comes rejuvenation - Japan, Germany, Hajiboola, Iran, Pakistan after '71 defeat (1972 - 1977), Islam after Crusades, Turkey after defeat of WW I.

Beena et al,

First, please calm down.

Ijaz bhai, your post is very humane, and I too remember most of the sights and sounds you talked about...and you put the human faces to the tragedy. All those poor people working there...

Second, there is no us vs. them.

We need to include the fundoos in the conversation and not exclude them. So there is no us vs them.

THIRD, Pakistan is here to stay. It's not going anywhere. There are setbacks...but we need to re-evaluate who we let govern and how. The fundoos cannot do this without...funds. The funds and training are no doubt from military institutions.

If Japan can survive two nuclear bombs, we can certainly survive a truck bomb.

There are miscreants that are saying "Islam khatray main hay" "Pakistan is unraveling".

Baloney.

Pakistan is. And will be.

But it is time for us, the awam, to shoulder the responsibility for deciding our own futures. Thus far, we have an uber corrupt guy as president, an ISI chief as the COAS, and uber corrupt politicians are the opposition.

Collectively, there is no-one to blame, but ourselves.




with much respect,
thinking storm

"A military-only option is clearly not the answer: there must be a political roadmap."
What can be the political roadmap in an atmosphere of extreme violence and distrust. Last time when they tried to make any deals with some groups under Musharraf it lead to nowhere - Pakistan was blamed for being soft - and bigots kept killing any elders which were sympathetic to Pakistan Government. Hell, there is no solution ...
What are the deeper designs? Is there any party which will stand for the real interests of Pakistani people? Is there any viable program with any of these parties?
It is all so hopeless, despicable ...?

Re: # 13

Ch. Iftekhar is just a man; what really count is the ideal that he upholds. If God forbid he accepts the position back, that will be severe blow to the Pakistani nation but the ideal of a free judiciary and elimination of ghulamzadas and haramzadas will live and nature's operation clean up, which is in progress now, will accelerate.

Re: # 10

urstruly,


.... it seems your #1 condition has almost been met (the droopy eyed one should be signing up soon - he is holding out for a better contract) .... are you now willing to accept the results of the election or are you going to hold out until jamaat-i-islami and dr israr win the election ?

ISLAMABAD: Two out of the three remaining sacked judges of the Supreme Court (SC) have agreed to take a fresh oath and will be sworn in this week, sources said on Sunday.

The sources said Justice Raja Fayyaz Ahmad and Justice Chaudhry Ejaz Ahmad have agreed to take a fresh oath while Justice Khalilur Rehman Ramday has declined to do so, saying that he was no longer interested in the judicial service.

9 Posted by Naeemonline on September

whole last week (may be month) the pure pakistani army was firing on Indian posts to give cover to militants... As usual Pakistan governmenet is the most hypocrite government anywhere in the world. It will try to improve relations with India and internallo the only goal it can set fot itself is to destablize India or create trouble in India. Whether it is through terrorism, or fake currency or whatever, they do it with perfect sincerity. Despite being a small nation with hardly any trouble from other countries they beat USA hands down in their zeal to lie....

In near future you can not change goals of pakistanis and Islamicts in general..., doesn't matter what they say..

What people hetre on chowk do not understand is that if they are capable of ignoring the reason while they understand it, most commoners (those for Sharia, Taliban , Islamic rule plus those who need Kashmir to be separated from India badly) in pakistan can not even understand the reason and so do not know that they are being stupid..

Wrong!!

They do not have the miraculous ability that you ascribe to them.

They are just puny, malicious, hate filled scums of the ghettoes.

After 9/11 these scum bags have not been able to do anything in US.

They only took soft targets like India and Europe.

Now they are going to first clean up their munafiqoon fellows.

All these wetern educated are on the hit list. Remember, the first casuality of Islamists are these English speaking munafiqoons.

The ball is in the court of these munafiqoons- either they destroy these scum bags first or they get destroyed.......

One must acknowledge the fact that they (insert your fav title here - taliban, terrorists, CIA, ISI, RAW, Qaeda) can strike at will anywhere they want, and there is no stopping them. One of the reasons the so called Pakistani government cannot stop them is that it lacks legitimacy. The GOP is playing a schizophrenic policy by working against the people of Pakistan in order to receive their salaries from their American masters and at the same tiome claiming that somehow they are Awami democratic government. This is horseshit.

The common sense suggests that:

1. This so called government was "elected" by a staged and manupualted election by a vicious and shameless dictator to lengthen his rule of terror. It is completely another thing that things did not workout this way.

2. Each and everyone of the so called "elected official" was given amnesty by the same dictator from charges of corruption and even murder. No fair court of law in the world would exhonorate in this way. These people are known criminals and most have them played pawns in the deadly games that dictator used to play.

3. Napak fouj is a criminal outfit, which earns its living by torturing, killing, and selling kidnapped Pakistani citizens to countries who torture their POWs and shun every international law. The constitutional entity of Pakistan Armed Forces ceased to exist on October 10, 1998 when the trampled the constitution of Pakistan. Since then it is nothing more than an illegitimate criminal entity and sellouts.

4. Country does not have a functional judiciary. The so called judiciary that exists is only there to safeguard the interest of a corrupt, prowestern, criminal elite. No judge would dare go out in public because of their criminality and their work against the people of Pakistan. Judiciary has failed miserably to safeguard the citizenship rights of a Pakistani.

5. This criminality and illigetimacy of ruling elite has created a power vacuum in the country, which different forces are trying to fill vying to bring this chaos and criminality into order.

PAKISTAN still can survive:

1. Judiciary must be re-instated to the postion of Nov 9, 2007.

2. Constitution of 1973 must be established.

3. An independent election commission must be formed.

4. Elections must be held.

5. The issue of Pakistan's involvement in America's genocidal wars must be debated.

6. Government must adopt a policy based on the Constitional guarantees of 1973 to its citizens.

7. Fouji dogs must be put back into the kennels and given the rabbies shots.

Or the other option is....well you know.

Beena,
Oh all the blame comes now....? I have no symapthy for Taliban or any other religious fanatic but why are we so naive????? I mean these Talibans and terrorists and pashtoons and what not were our mujahideen and still are to some degree in the Indian Part of Kashmir. Why does it really matter to undermine them now? Is it because we turned our backs on them and now they have to kick our ass??
This is why I hate people like Zia-ul-haq who brought these people and also the system of government which totally undermines humanity. The most unfortunate thing about the country's situation is that these terrorist can do anything they want at this stage of the game. It is only a matter of time before they are running Pakistan. There is only one way to save Pakistan from all of this. All the people of Pakistan have to rise up and rally against these criminals and despies their acts with a louder voice and action if necessary. Don't let them preach you in mosques, don't let them tead you in prayers and most importantly don't let them tell you that you are not good muslims because that is the trick they use on dumb, senseless young minds.
Marginilization of the Taliban is going to be a difficult task given that the Pakistani government has rarely done any good for the North West Frontier and the inhibitants of that area. Well, lets see what happens. I can sit here and preach but i am sure that won't do any good....Actions are more important than words at this time.

Naeem

Beena

I agree with HP view, more importantly people like u need to be objective in your presentation.

"They wanted to be a part of Pakistan and to be treated like Pakistanis with enforceable rights"

Ofcourse its all a very sad situation all round. Poor people with no guns living in refugee camps are the ones who are pro-Pakistan. Unfortunately at this point their voices do not count as much as the opposition's.

I agree with HP, generally these poor refugees stories are told to demonise the Pak govt and deflect blame from the taliban.