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Re: # 35
no need to terrorize us with the thought of talibs reaching india...........first take care of you millions of m unafiqoons in pakistan who would be the first target........
we know how to f?,. these talibs and spray pigs blood on their remains

the three enemies of hindu idolators are all dervatives of abrahmic hate

1.jehadis
2.church
3.naxals
until these ideologies and their sympathesizers are eliminated hindu idolators must fight against these satanic cults of hate

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Re: # 36
the happy hindu is the biggest fraud.........

imagine when every hindu is a terror target of muslims.......
hindus need to keep the body counts and terrorism equal and same same.......

Dost Mittar:

I amlike many million others, ashamed, saddened, outraged and depressed by the behaviour of these goons or gondas of Bajrang Dal, and all variants of RSS, VHP,and political arm that is BJP when they are after the weakest part of the society, ie minorities. The bastard politicians at state and Central government are equally responsible for ignoring and not enforcing simple rule of law.

the murder and mayhem unleashed by these monstrous murderous thugs must be stopped at all costs. Remember the words of cleric Niemoller in Nazi Germany! Let me change the words here a bit.

First these murderous thugs came after Muslims, NO body complained, Then they came after Sikhs (after Mrs. Gandhi's death), then came Godhra now its after Christians. Watch out next time it will be after Jains, Parsis and any any person who remains silent. Fascist thugs and murderers are amongst us.

It is time to act and protest in any way you can- by writing and words to reject extremism,enforce rule of law everywhere. Otherwise it is matter of time India will go to dogs.

These ** bastards** of Bajrangdal are 'Hindu Talibanis' if you don't stop. They will kill all of us too.

Thanks for Dost Mittar for writing the column.

Kamath

Dost Mittar:

I amlike many million others, ashamed, saddened, outraged and depressed by the behaviour of these goons or gondas of Bajrang Dal, and all variants of RSS, VHP,and political arm that is BJP when they are after the weakest part of the society, ie minorities. The bastard politicians at state and Central government are equally responsible for ignoring and not enforcing simple rule of law.

the murder and mayhem unleashed by these monstrous murderous thugs must be stopped at all costs. Remember the words of cleric Niemoller in Nazi Germany! Let me change the words here a bit.

First these murderous thugs came after Muslims, NO body complained, Then they came after Sikhs (after Mrs. Gandhi's death), then came Godhra now its after Christians. Watch out next time it will be after Jains, Parsis and any any person who remains silent. Fascist thugs and murderers are amongst us.

It is time to act and protest in any way you can- by writing and words to reject extremism,enforce rule of law everywhere. Otherwise it is matter of time India will go to dogs.

These ** bastards** of Bajrangdal are 'Hindu Talibanis' if you don't stop. They will kill all of us too.

Thanks for Dost Mittar for writing the column.

Kamath

Romair, the "Happy Muslim" in India is a complete fraud perpetrated by liberal Hindus on the rest of us - regular Hindus and Pakistani Muslims.

There is no such bird as a Happy Muslim in India.

For Pakistanis, it is a compelling argument that once India gives Kashmir to Pakistanis, or lets it go (which is the same thing), THEN Muslims in India will become happy.

dost-mittar #: "if a successful Indian Muslim feels more secure with a Muslim from Pakistan...in India...."

...the jury is still out on this......

...i am, at the moment, involved in a crash course on south asia.....reading, travelling, interacting etc.....it has been a fascinately interesting experience....so many things taught to us turn out to be so wrong.....so many biases etc....

though, i have to say, my personal analysis, which i have been presenting on this site, for a decade regarding india-pakistan are turning out to be mostly correct....

...i am not sure an indian muslim feels more secure with a a pakistani.....i think he feels more secure with any muslim, when discussing an issue that involves islam......i am not sure if being a pakistani has anything to do with it...

it is still quite difficult to get my hands around the situation of indian muslims.......as there are so few of them in IT.....and i cannot figure out the ones i meet.....they seem very well integrated.....happy.....secure......etc......but then i get the feeling that if i just scratch the surface a bit, i might get a different story.......

"..On Kashmir, if the issue is resolved to the satisfaction of Pakistanis or even Kashmiri Muslims, it will not solve the problems of insecurity of Indian Muslims but will make it much worse....."

.....i doubt it....i think it will solve most issues.....

...first of all, the dynamics of kashmir have now changed....and i sense the indian govt. is realizing it also....pakistan's insecurities around india - centered on the kashmir conflict - have resulted in the rise of taliban politics......which if it sweeps across the indus, will, eventually reach india....

....thus, it is in india's interest to make pakistan feel secure, so that it can de-militarize one side of the border......and its military can stop feeling the needs to support non-state actors to fight india......

......once kashmir is solved, invariably, it will lead to free flow of people and business.......pakistan will cease to be the enemy.......and indian muslims will cease to be evaluated in the context of pakistan.....their loyalties will not be doubted.....indians will see tens of thousands of pakistani muslims travelling to india and vice-versa.......

it will change the complete dynamics of south asia.....i think provincial loyalties will dominate national and religious loyalties......punjabis will interact far more with each other, than with people of their own religion from other parts of their own countries.....same with bengalis and sindhis etc........

cultural and linguistic ties tend to dominate religious ties in day to day interactions.....i spend all my time with indians who can understand my language, even when i have access to so many muslims from middle east, with whom i share a religion......

so, now, i think indian govt., for its own long term interests, should solve kashmir.....india is such a huge country and it has so many potential social fissures, that if this wave of taliban reaches delhi or bombay, imagine what will happen......

mahfil khaali khaali si hai....

add following to list of conclusions you arrive after discussions..... (even if the list is empty)

Protest proselytization. Abuse any western country/ambassador or whoever supports it, ask them for open debate. Do the same for any Christian/Islamic missionary in India. Those who get convert buy them back by advertising that we will pay Rs 1000 more than the original buyer.

Important: And during buy-back of converts show your humanity/modesty by offering converts any Indic religion not just Hinduism. Do it so openly that Christian/Muslims can start feeling shame for their own business against which this has to be done.

Ref bulleya #5

Now people understand what is meant by "Satan is quoting the Scriptures".

[i think indians also need to realize this fact.....until there is open movement of people and goods etc. across all countries in south asia, this rise of militant extremism, with taliban type forces will come from afghanisan to punjab into india...and will meet the bjp and rss etc. type forces going from the other direction.....and then, who knows what will happen....]

If the results in the elimination of Islam from India, nothing better could happen.

#20 Posted by dost_mittar on
Not really it is not futile. Anything that you think is truth, is worth supporting; but we can't do it blindly. And it doesn't matter whether you have laws or not, doesn't matter if one single person favours you or not.

So asking Christians, Pope or missionaries valid questions is a valid thing, even if there is no law stopping them from doing anything. We should try to be judge of ideas and not judge of situations, and similarly we should support or reject ideas not situations. Situations may depend on lot many factors/probabilities, ideas are simpler but much more important.

So as long as your own mind thinks honestly and understand truths, you should work for them as much as possible.


All of us do it this way, we are not discussing things here on chowk because those discussions are not futile, they may be, we are doing it to understand them better, to create unity of thoughts. Or in simple words to support them.

If I have to go by law, no law will allow me to mock Islam?? You can not make such a law?? Who will allow you to make a law to mock religions??? Who will allow you to make a law to even abuse politicians???

Ideas are more impportant and powerful than laws, create and spread strong, truthful powerful ideas, laws will change sooner or later. Spread these ideas, mind doesn't confront truth only ego can, but if mind gets enough chance ego will retreat. The reason people hate to discuss a thing where they don't have argument is because they fear their own mind may win over their own ego.

Ego is part of our security mechanism, that develops on fear and inecurities, you don't want to take chance to let your mind win, because you are overly defensive, you suspect your own mind. So if you identify some place with fear, say of snakes, then even if you are told that you are wearing a suit which snake-bite can not simply penetrate, you will be frightened. Even after testing it, you may be frightened, only when you confront the snakes while wearing it, will you be able to generate enough confidence in it.

Giving proper reasons is that trial, encourage ego to participate, create that environment and then give solid reasons, ego will find it difficult to control mind.


Create awareness that proselytization is bad, argue against those who say it is good. Confront people who protect religion or pretend that you need religion between God and humans.

Ask people to understand the difference between what is right and what they can do. So there may be situations where somebody may end up killing somebody else, but just because you did it, you don't need to say that "killing is good". Try to be good, but just because you did something bad don't support bad ideas.

Understanding truths, accepting them and living them are different things. First understand them, then accept them, last part is living them. The first two create the ideological environment, the last one creates the worth of the society.

kaale khan bhai,
you are a commited islamist who understands the logic behind indian dhimmified secularism. we all understand the abrahmic
loop that sonia and her christian evangelistic coterie has put it in.

HA HA Pinku bhai, please don't bother looking into (copies of) my brain. I simply describe myself as a religious fanatic and a committed bigot. Cheers.

#27 Posted by Eklavya on
That is amazing Eklavya, do you keep two copy of your brains? Or you were a defense lawyer earlier, so always ready to defend?? no offense intended so far....


But you are right, I repeat the same thing, it is not possible to call RSS or whatever anything bad, as Islam and Christianity simply use arbitrary definition to suit themselves...

so "right" is what their religion says,
"world" is what their religion says....
the rights they have are "what their religion give them"....
the rules they need to follow are "what their religions created for them"

and they are "what their religions wants them to be"


In such a world, if you follow their rule, your only option is to become extinct irrespective of how good or bad you are...


In India, government should be forced to ban proselytization; and conversion "on your own will" should also be discouraged. Especially conversion from Indic religions to Christianity and Islam should be discouraged.
Let them convert to Indic religions if they want to. West should be confronted and told why we are not allowing these religions, bluntly.

I am ok if people cahse Christian priests and make mockery of their religion openly, on TV or whetever, but they shouldn't kill them at all. Hindus should be told that the idea of life is not to win as an ego but to win as an idea.... keep positive idea alive, killing is something that should be avoided as much as possible... (though not always)



rules of game for abrahamic religions are much worse then RSS can dare to define... (RSS still think like humans, all of those so called Hindutva-vadis think more humanly then their counter-parts in Chritianity and Islam, it will take them centuries to become equally bad)

Admittedly, that charge would appear ironic, given that you are not totally insensitive to Indic problems (and for that crime, earn your own usual share of abuse from political semitics - of being called a Hindu communalist/RSS member yourself, LOL). But DM ji, since you are not a politician who cares only for votes, nothing but anti-Indic bigotry explains your painting of Hindu organizations in such colors as you have.

DM Ji, given the current mix of our system and our people, the problems that Hindus (in fact, Indic peoples in general) have with Muslims and with Christians whose job description is to convert others to Christianity cannot be solved.

So either Indic peoples will have to change this mix of their system and their own worldview, or the situation will be changed for them in time, with much greater intercommunal violence, state or no state.

Changing the system will be chasing a fool's mirage. Indic people will have to change their own worldview with respect to other groups. While one does not mind respecting the state as designed by Hindus like Gandhi/Nehru, Indic people must and will refuse to play by the moral and logical rules of Muslims and Christian Missionaries - as they want us to in India.

Anybody who uses words like fascist and such for Hindu organizations without applying the same logic to Muslims and Christian Missionaries in general, is, IMHO, simply dishonest. Nothing but deep, learnt, and unquestioned semitic, anti-Indic religious bigotry lies behind it.

And this was not even written by a politician.