The Sangh Octopussy

I gave one conclusion very early.... very very biased one???

Fight for banning proselytization in India.... it won't be that easy USA/Vatican and all will scream in favour of these missionaries..... will say that it is done directly on the order of God and God will burn you here itself if you deny it....but even then it is a good fight, it will tell both pope and christian countries that people have now started talking against proselytization...

I hope that soon we have some significant people who can talk to these religious people nicely in open forums and on TV and can show to world that our religious leaders do need to learn a lot about God..

Let's be bold again.....



Hinduism gives a very open ideology and one that gives some excellent ideas. Hindus can still be anything they want, good, bad or ugly. But whenever they will read their scriptures they tend to get better ideas.

Reverse is true for Islam, Islam gives a narrow ideology with not so good ideas. Muslims can still be anything they want, good or bad. But whenever they read their scriptures they tend to get bad ideas.

ambiquity of typo error need correction

....argue that Brits were christians whatever there motive as in all cases

Max mueller

Thresa

Queen of England are suspect .
Were there they realy good intentioned ?

Some think Atkins High protein diet is correct some think Ornish vegeterian diet is correct.Some will se cospiracy of Non Veg in this !

#130 Posted by tahmed32 on

tahmed,

Read on Ramkrishan Mission before you call it a terrorist organization???

All Christian missionaries have already got more respect then they are worth, there are so many others who nobody knows. When Tsunamy happened so many small Hindu organizations helped administration.

Re: # 133
Jang ji what was that up ina rms of Sangh inluding BD WATER not to be films on location in India
Finally the movie was made in simulated scene in SriLanka giving the impression it was Benares ?
If the treatment of Widows (and u have seen the movie )was shown exemplary why was Sang ASHAMED of it ?



Regarding Ram Krishna Mission i know they are good Samaritan run hospital i worked briefly at 'they have good schools all acknowledged if you go to right meeting you Will know how much they are respected .Immensely


.Ram Krishna is home grown organisation it is done for FAMILY and who do u thank them for .The Indians if they do not thank who is to be blamed ?

Max Muller was great Sanskrit scholar .Hindu ancient scripture are in Sanskrit .Who else will appreciate ancient
scriptures do u think non Sanskrit knowing person ?.I can say that there is great respect for Max Muller in areas i a know better
Hndus have been stingy themselves in appreciating popularising Max

Have they issued a Stamp in his name / Is he memoralised Max Mueller Bhavan
Brits built the FIRST sanskrit (college)Univ in Calcutta 200 /150years ago .Incidently l Hindu Only were admitted and allowed to study

Didnot brits do a lot to develop education of Sanscrit no less than Geman max Muellerr ?

I argue that Brits were christians whatever motive as inall cass Max mueller Thresa Queen of England are suspect .Were thegod intentioned ?

IRONY IS SOME DONT THINK MAX MUELER WAS THAT SIMPLE INDOPHILE


.Laddu dug up some articles which criticized Max Meuller acting as Germasn Spy Taking Indology for there own exploitation .

If Defender of Hinduism Laddu think contrary to you guys .There defenitely its not open and shut case Max Mueller, good

Anglophiles christian Bad .
as far as Appreciation of Hinduism is done by more english speaking .When Max MUELLERS motive intention is also just as suspect as Mothere thresas missionary !
Treatment of Widow is another story for jang to discuss some other day .

mathura has had huge ashrams for ever where widows discarded by greedy society could live in relative safety (they prolly would have been killed)...i even saw a movie about it called water.

so hindus too have run homes for widows for a long time.

Maharana: better yet, i'll take your word for it. if this mission has nothing to do with hindu extremism and is an organization that engages in charitable activities, then that is fine.

note though, that there are a large number of organizations engaged in charitable activities in most countries at any time. no doubt mother teresa became an icon for all such organizations - but what is the point of comparisons? comparisons are odious, as they say. let us just appreciate those organizations (like RK is, i assume) that are part of the solution, and disassociate from those that are part of the problem.

Tahmed,

That is why I mention that Mother T is respected. While RK is not. See the discrepancy or not!
And if you call RK as terrorist org then I think u need a C-Scan. Please do care to do a basic google on RK mission and kindly enlighten us all on their terrorist activities.
Maybe I have got my facts wrong..so why don't you tell us about RK mission from what you have found?
Adios

Maharana: i dont recall mother teresa killing innocent people and intimidating minorities like these beautiful hindu extremists you mention. You think that could perhaps be the reason most people would find your comparison..lets say..funny?

Kamath # 125,

I think we all admire the sense of service imparted by the missionaries and yes overlook the proselytization part because of that. See how popular Mother Teresa is..despite the fact that some of her views about denial of abortion to rape victims in her charity hospitals or the neccessity of accepting jesus the lord and saviour before any treatment is given out.
But that brings me to the question that has been repeated by many here..Could you frigging extend the same respect to the people of Ramakrishna mission in india who have been doing the same without asking for conversion to any faith? For that matter how many people actually know about it? Or how many know that the RK mission has been taking beggars and prostitutes from the streets of calcutta and giving them vocational training so they can stand on their own. Perhaps they are foolish not to encourage these people to spend the rest of the eternity in servitude of the religion that liberated them. Or perhaps just maybe they are driven by purely humanitarian emotions which are not worthy of mention in any media circulation in India.

Your talk smells of the language used by the brits in the movie 'Ana and the King". There's a reason why that movie is banned in Thailand. But thats easy to understand..you see they were never colonised by the europeans.

Adios

#125 Posted by Kamath

[It is the Christians who did this:

1. They picked up poorest orphan girls fed them, clothed them made them pray to the God and live a moral life. They could only teach them forom the Bible. But Bible has message of compassion. Thereby they saved from possibly a being a begger or a prostitute.

2. It is the Christians who picked up lepers and took them leper colonies and fed them bandaged their wounds.

Now tell me you are admirers of these murderous Hindu Talibanis! Would you even touch a leper as the Christians did or do now. You would see the orphans and lepers on the streets. Then you pour money after money on those murthis in temples who neither, speak, nor see, nor hear.]


Here's a link for you, penis-brain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Sevashram_Sangha

This has a long list of charitable work, including Leprosy Welfare programs. Also, there are, and have always been, thousands of Hindu charitable institutions in India. Only thing is, they are not into the business of "converting".

So...how does it feel now that you realize that you are truly an ignorant dickhead?

Eh?

Re #125 Posted by Kamath on

Kamath,

Even Schopenhauer or Voltair who despised Christianity as much as they could, were Christians by birth and further every british good or bad who came to India was a Christian??? Some who came here did good job and some didn't. Many of those jobs were decided by the british rulers as per their civic laws.

Further it is your desire to think that Christians are not good, who says that for Christian, muslims or hindus. they are good and bad people everywhere. Christianity itself is not that good. And proselytization is very bad, selling God in bargain of help is bad.


We can also discuss who Max Muler was and how much he respected Christianity in different times of his life... Do you know how many years he spent in Benares in learning sanskrit and understanding what those scriptures are???

Or are you under impression that people in India didn't know those scriptures and Max muller gave them the translations. The need for translation was his need, or need of the German philosophers not Indian need, he was obliged by those Benares Brahmins that they made him leanr what Sanskrit is and what those scriptures say, not that he obliged anyone. He and those prior to him who learned sanskrit, which includes so many of Germans (all of whom were Christians) either obliged themselves or future generations of philosophers but not the author of those scriptures nor the people who taught thse europeans sanskrit and scriptures.

Make sure you know things before you tell who is biased..

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in #123 that 60 million is by a quick and rough adding up of the membership of the various sub-organizations of sangh parivar in your article.

Dost Mittar: So, the picture that emerges is almost a parallel, dictatorial government in India - 60,000 offices of an organized hierarchy, and 60 million members of the main group (Sangh Parivar) only!

Lets hope for the sake of the ordinary indian that it will evolve into the National Boyscouts Association. :-)