The Sangh Octopussy

Re: # 89

that point WAS made when I lived there too ... besides, read No: 86 ... the question (as phrased) has been answered

take care

AK Cheema,

The point that was being made was that there is a concept of apostacy in Islam that calls for death to those who dare to renounce Islam. Many "Staunch" muslims like for example, Urstruly have supported that punishment for that crime very passionately.

You sitting in Oz making that statement is no big deal. It would make a heck of a difference if you were a Pakistani living in Pakistan and making such a statement.

Re: # 86; harimau writes [[All of you dumb-sh!t Pakistanis who are talking about freedom of religious beliefs: Why don't you allow conversion from Islam to Christianity in your country? Why don't you write just one line in favor of that on Chowk?]]


Pakistanis should be free to choose whicehevr religion they feel comfortable with ... including the choice of converting from Islam to Christianity

.... that's perhaps MORE than the 'one-line' you asked for ... will it do?

nonsense
. hinduism is paganism and completely shares with ganas living in forests.
only dhimmified people do not consider forest ganas as different from hindu idolators

All of you dumb-sh!t Pakistanis who are talking about freedom of religious beliefs:

Why don't you allow conversion from Islam to Christianity in your country?

Why don't you write just one line in favor of that on Chowk? After all, no one is going to hunt you down and kill you. At least, not any Hindu. I am not so sure about your fellow Pakistanis.

Dost and Mittar of Minorities,

I said in my post #2 on September 27

[The problem in Khandmal is that the missionaries convert the Dalits. The Dalits lose all special reservations once they convert to Christianity or Islam. The tribals retain their reservations even if they convert.

The issue is between Dalit Chritians and the Scheduled Tribes. The ST is protesting that the converted Dalits are lying about their conversion and trying to retain the benefits of reservations and quotas. This is the cause.]

You had a mealy-mouthed response to that with your post #19

[I have no doubt that there are underlying economic factors in this area. From what I have read, converts to Christianity have had access to better education and have therefore been able to get a greater share of the reserved quota for ST/SC. Now,

You had no intention of taking back any of the utterly worthless crap you had written in this article till Maharan provided a link to a BBC report in his post #43.

The BBC report clearly states that the concerted Christian Dalits are trying to grab tribal lands and lying about their status as Christians to retain their quotas to which they are no longer entitled after conversion. It also states that Swami Lakshmanananda was educating the tribals as to their rights so that the shenanigans of the Christian Dalits and their missionary instigators do not go unchallenged. Yet, you had the gall to say "why blame Christians for providing better education to the converts? Wouldn't it be better for the Hindu organizations to provide equally good education to those who do not convert so that they have equal access to job opportunities?" The tribals, according to BBC, have reached a literacy level of 40% thanks largely to the efforts of Swami Lakshmanananda and his followers.

What you are saying is that Christian missionaries can do whatever they want but if Hindu missionaries adopt the same tactics (such as educating them and providing health care), they are wrong in doing so.

At some point, you need to weigh rushing to print with a half-baked article full of lies, distortions and innuendoes against writing a thoughtful article that discusses the fundamental causes of these riots. The former will get you plaudits from the Pak brigade; perhaps, like India's journalists, you are also more interested in tarring and feathering Hindus than in objective analysis.

"The Anti-Hindu", not normally known for a balanced viewpoint, published an article which pointed out that the Mangalore riots began after some evangelical Christians started circulating handbills in the local Kannada language describing Hindu gods and goddesses in the foulest terms. The attacks against Christians in Mangalore was a result of this. In Pakistan, if a Hindu merchant wraps some peanuts in an Urdu newspaper, all it takes is an illiterate person to claim that the paper was from the Koran for the merchant to get lynched. The same Pakistanis are crying crocodile tears over the treatment received by the Christians of Mangalore for blaspheming Hindu gods. Why don't they go to their mosque on Friday and say that Mohammed is a pedophile, if they are so much in favor of freedom of speech?

In fact, why don't you, Dost and Mittar of the Minorities, go to a mosque in Ottawa on Friday and loudly call attention to the fact that Mohammad was a pedophile? Whatch what happens before you start accusing Hindus of violence against people of other religions.

5 Posted by bulleya:

Very interesting post.

You asked the Muslim exec questions about opportunities for Muslim Indians in Indian companies. He reply did not say that they were discriminated because of being Muslims but he did say about mistrust of Muslims due to riots etc.

Can someone from India (hopefully Eklavya) enlighten me about a qualified Muslim Indian discriminated solely because of his/her religion? I am sure there is some instances of discrimination like we have in US (color, gender, religion, ethnicity etc etc).

My understanding talking with Indians is that when you take an exam, your name is not your test to avoid discrimination and it is fairly a open system (unlike US).

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I admit life experience is not the same for me as u .The christians converted in my city /town are low caste and i always thaught tribal look like them .munda kunda of jhrkand I dont know all the names.Sibo soren if you know politics might become C.M of JKharkand ( iam not from there )is tribal.What i meant that hindus are not very proud oof the tribals and if you noticed i narratd that on chowk all disowned sibo Sorenas 'norma' hindu If the tribal are NOT hindu what do the nay sayer have to do with there conversion .Conversion is loaded issue and not simply bribing coniving missionaries lthough some might well be.

My difficulty is understanding what is the objective ,Whatever conversion has occured wont stop .If there are no out side australians is given permit which is worst that can happen There are enough indian origin christian to do from inside .

Leave book koran bible religion philosophy sanatani anand brahmo samaj vivekanada ramkrishna diffeent sects it is too vast

79 Posted by Dinaric on
I don't have wrong knowledge, there are many good human beings in muslims but Islam is political, intolerant and relies on lies and propaganda instead of good ideas for its survival.

#79 Posted by Dinaric

Well, I do have problem with what is written in Kuran and in general the way so many muslims live more for Islam than for themselves. I don't see so many Christians or Hindus living more for Christianity or Hinduism than for themselves. This is not something good for society when you can not defend what your religion says. You can tell your kids first that your religion is purest, best and need to be protected and let them grow with that psychology and then not be able to defend what is pure, good in your religion. You want to have your cake and eat it too, but even if nobody does anything at best you will create a more pathetic society with this kind of irrationality. You confuse next generations and keep saying arbitrary things.

And that is why religions need to be diluted. Tell Hindus what in Hinduism you want to be diluted. Caste or whatever..

#77 Posted by Dinaric on
And they introduce themselves as Hindus??

I don't understand what is the point there???

A manipuri student studying with me who belong to some tribe and is an martial art expert, do I introduce him to my friends as Tribal???? I simply say he is so and so and may add this guy is expert in martial arts. Can kick the head of a 6ft guy in no time. Now if he doesn't have that expertise then I will stop with the regular introduction.

Majority of Hindus do not know who among them is tribal and who is not? You must be talking about some feudal village in some tribal area and not something general.

Can you tell caste of Hindus based on their looks??

Re: # 78
I have no problem with your diluted No egosic humble Hinduism.you have wrong knowledge impression of other (islam)
Dont mix history of muslim with theology .History of Muslim is not religion .

#76 Posted by Dinaric on

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Atleast you dont speake against those abrahmic ... book religion vs god and sepreate theories
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I do. "No book is word of God" is not audience specific. I say it a bit mildly when saying face to face but i say the exact same thing. Only precaution I take is that I don't bring-up subject on my own. But here on internet I bring it up whenever I need. So everything remains the same. Christians have more people who are detached from Christian ego, partly because they are at the fore-front of technology so they see things much before rest of us. They see and discover more truths then Hindus and Muslims, so that humbled and diluted Christianity.



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Yo predict aethist will be majority and i think u wil become aethist if not now
you see that way .
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I believe in God without any religion, but I believe in a God who doesn't need to exists:-) He is so powerful that he doesn't "need" anything. Everything works as per his needs:-) So he doesn't even need to exist separately. It is he who exists.

You don't need religious system and all other systems are much more refined then religious systems. If you love God without religion, you will feel much better under sky then in mosque or temple. You will feel much beter in natural surroundings. Religions have no good system. Not even one single one.

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Yes you like your smart S.T. spl those who were NONreserved .See how high a bar a tribal have to climb to be liked by u & if theydont obey u what you have to hold back your admiration of smart s.t.?Just proves that tribals have just a god brain to THINK .Its like Arjun /Laddu/u Saying some of my best friends are muslims Shah Rukh Premji or some nawab
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Nope, I don't like the ST who was smartest, I care for good intentions and good humans and not successful life or successful people. So most people who like me are not rich and vice versa. So you are assuming things. Brain wise it depends, I can only tell you that intelligence is not one thing, it is made of infinite types of expertise.


You see different kind of truths, you see maths, you see bilogy, you see computers and what not. Not all of them are equally easy to pursue for all of us. Intelligence is ability to discover truths, there are infinite of them and of infinite types. What is important is that no two truths conflict with each other. So a guy can understand truths about music or arts easily and can give you a theory, somebody else can understand maths, somebody else mechanics....

We all have a brain which is amazingly capable, it can reconstruct itself, it doesn't stop growing ever.


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I remain coginzant of your opinion. i am sure many people think you are stupid Lol
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Good and you can think the same, and they may be right.
You can even point out my stupidities if you don't feel frightened that i may abuse you.

I am not trying to change that opinion of yours or of others, I am trying to change some other opinions which are not that much dependent on me being stupid or wise.

So have fun and keep writing:-)

{"you never see hindu introducing to white visitors to India as 'normal' hindu Lol
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what is it??}


I am sorry typo shouldbe "
u never see hindu introducing tribal as 'normal' hindu ."

Re: # 74

{No I don't understand what you are syainh??? Who obliged whom in this case??? What do you mean??? I thought there was no obligation in that kind of affair??}



Atleast you dont speake against those abrahmic ... book religion vs god and sepreate theories


{What athiest??? No I believe in God but not your God most probably. And not in God who speaks in books or who works as per scriptures... Which pole of caste I am tied to? How do you know i hate tribals}



Yo predict aethist will be majority and i think u wil become aethist if not now
you see that way .
i predict ppl will need religion more b/c it solves individual life problems and besides GOD u ned system also


{Do you know what love is?? I gave a definition in some other post, somewhere... But what do you think Hindu do with tribals??? Who are tribals?? I have some ST friends, one of them came without reservation (and was among toppers, though most others were academically not so bright), but was male, I never thought of loving him}



Yes you like your smart S.T. spl those who were NONreserved .See how high a bar a tribal have to climb to be liked by u & if theydont obey u what you have to hold back your admiration of smart s.t.?Just proves that tribals have just a god brain to THINK .Its like Arjun /Laddu/u Saying some of my best friends are muslims Shah Rukh Premji or some nawab


{am not ruling over India. I am ok if you can convert all of Hindus to Christianity but not ok with your slow and gradual sale. But more than that, when you will convert in bulk we won't say that Christianiy is a superb religion so lets convert to it. We will say that though Christianity is stupid religion, let's convert to it because it will be good to fight both stupidities of Islam as well as Christianity}



I remain coginzant of your opinion. i am sure many people think you are stupid Lol

Re #74 Posted by Dinaric on

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.You have hindu marrying Chistians Rajiv Bedi arun to hurley u understand what i am, talking about .
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No I don't understand what you are syainh??? Who obliged whom in this case??? What do you mean??? I thought there was no obligation in that kind of affair??


[[Yes you pretend to be aethist but remain in totem pole of Caste .you hate the tribals lowe caste bhangis wih whom udont want to deal You want to RULE overthem and how dare the do what you dont approve of
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What athiest??? No I believe in God but not your God most probably. And not in God who speaks in books or who works as per scriptures... Which pole of caste I am tied to? How do you know i hate tribals??

Ha Ha:-), I want to rule over tribal??? And you?? You want to enslave them through your religion or just want to buy them and will decide later what you want to do with them??

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DO U REALLY LOVE tribal

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Do you know what love is?? I gave a definition in some other post, somewhere... But what do you think Hindu do with tribals??? Who are tribals?? I have some ST friends, one of them came without reservation (and was among toppers, though most others were academically not so bright), but was male, I never thought of loving him..

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You dont hate christians but why they are non obedient to you .
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I am not ruling over India. I am ok if you can convert all of Hindus to Christianity but not ok with your slow and gradual sale. But more than that, when you will convert in bulk we won't say that Christianiy is a superb religion so lets convert to it. We will say that though Christianity is stupid religion, let's convert to it because it will be good to fight both stupidities of Islam as well as Christianity.

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you never see hindu introducing to white visitors to India as 'normal' hindu Lol
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what is it??