The Sangh Octopussy

Dost-Mittar writes [In Kandhmal , Orissa, following communal violence, several hundred Christians are in refugee camps and have been threatened with death if they return to their homes without “reconverting� to Hindu religion.]

But Dost and Mittar forget to write that Swami Lakshmanananda was shot dead in his ashram earlier along with several of his followers. Dost and Mittar also forget the fact that Swami Lakshmanananda was threatened with bodily harm earlier but luckily escaped assassination.

Swami Lakshmanananda's crime? Preventing future conversions by working with the tribals, advising them of their rights in terms of land ownership and access to the forests... in short, not letting the Christian missionaries exploit the illiteracy of the tribals.

Not one word has been written about the killing of Swami Lakshmanananda and his followers but entire forests are being felled to produce the paper by which Hindus are painted as the evil doers.

Whose Dost and whose Mittar are you?

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Somehow this conversion politics has to be discouraged. The mechanism of these conversions is bad and is promoted based on bad intentions. These christian missionaries should themselves be told that they don't need their religion as middle-man between them and God. And so they can leave their religion (forget about converting). And if they will work for conversion then they will have to prove how their understanding of god is correct. Failing which they will have to work as laborers for next 5 year. Talk this thing on TV with those high priests of Christianity, convince them that they should leave christianity and just try to understand God.


Eventually, these conversion machineries run on lies, deception and money, more like mafia and will certainly create more problems in future. Governent should ban conversions for 5 years or so, just to give rest to these machineries. People can still be allowed to convert but nobody is allowed to convince, pursuade anybody for conversion.

Excellent write up, Dost-Mittar Sahib. Hindus need more and more rightwingers like you. You have been fair to all sides.

....interesting article....

.....i had an interesting discussion with a very senior young executive in an indian company, with whom i was doing a project....

....he was a muslim, and the sole muslim executive in this huge company......this is something i have seen nearly across the board in indian IT companies....there are almos no muslim executives.....interestingly, there are quite a few christian executives......even though christians are a much smaller minority in india than muslims.....

......after working with such companies, i was, slowly, coming to the conclusion that these companies offered opportunities to every indian - regardless of religion -; and that indian muslims, themselves, for various reasons did not avail these opportunitites.....the same argument that many hardcore hindu indians make.....

....after all if i, as a pakistani, was getting a chance to work with their hindu execs, without any problem, and if this guy had been able to make it as an executive, at such a young age, being a muslim, surely my line of thinking was correct.....

....so i brought this topic up with him.....

i was expecting a response along the lines i have mentioned above....however, his reply was quite shocking.....instead of praising the open-ness of the company and highlighting his own experience, he stated exactly the opposite.....

.....he started explaining to me his experiences during a big hindu-muslim riot.....how his family was under threat.....then he told me how he was unable to trust many of his closest friends, as he could not be sure whethere they were a part of organizations like RSS etc.....

it was quite a shocking discussion.....i felt like he was pouring his heart out to me.....obviously, he would not have such a discussion with his other executive colleagues - all of whom were hindus (with some christians)..........

...i was surprised to hear the above from someone who is a young rising star in the indian corporate world, with an army of hindu employees under him......more surprising that he would discuss it with me.....

based on this, i have to do some re-evaluations of my views on the situation of indian muslims.....and the inter-faith relationships in the indian society.....

...there are a lot of fissures that have started to appear in south asia, along the lines of religion.......these are now reaching the state of a perfect storm......

there is one way to defuse all this religious extremism that is coming up in south asia.....at the moment, i think in india it seems under control, because india has stronger govt. structures than pakistan.......however, if it ever comes to the surface in india, it will make what is happening in pakistan, look like a coffee party, as india is a far more multi-faith and multi-ethnic country than pakistan and sri lanka etc......

the solution is to solve all south asian geographic and political conflicts.....starting from kashmir.....i think the cost of pushing kashmir has become far higher than the cost of saving its own society for pakistan....and pakistan is slowly coming around.....

i think indians also need to realize this fact.....until there is open movement of people and goods etc. across all countries in south asia, this rise of militant extremism, with taliban type forces will come from afghanisan to punjab into india...and will meet the bjp and rss etc. type forces going from the other direction.....and then, who knows what will happen....

the long term solutions to the problems in south asia, lie with india.......as india is, by far the largest and most powerful country in the region......it is in india's interest to solve these issues; if not for the other countries, then for itself.......

Dear Dost

A very informative article.

However, why don't you look at the brighter side. Sangh Parivaar does not declare other Hindus as non-Hindus & go after them unlike our Jihadis, Lashkars, Fadayeen etc etc.

It is a far milder version, almost like boy scouts, as compared to our goons.

As for Jinnah, I wish he had admitted `I am a secular person & Pakistan will be a secular country'. Much of our present predicament is a result of this confusion.

regards

NHK

bulleya,

You make a good case for why although a Hindu may trust a Muslim, a Muslim can never trust a Hindu.

Who Knows the Hindu may be a member of RSS? And as DM Sahib has again so authoritatively established, even as all Muslims are convinced, RSS is an extremely evil organization bent on massacring all Muslims and keeping them enslaved, none else being anything like it.

Do you know that thanks to this objective and realistic conviction, as correctly helped and enforced by vigilant, good-hearted Hindus like Dost-Mittar ji, until recently many Muslims would not send their children to Public schools. Who knows they be too Hinduized, under some RSS affliliated teacher? And what is the basis for a Muslim to ever trust a Hindu?

You argument that Hindus should be secular and good to Muslims because Muslims can be very violent may also have some merit. We should all be good and secular to Muslims.

Farzana Versey used to make that point with tremendous effect.

From dictionary.com site (edited for better formatting on chowk):

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ten·ta·cle (těn'tə-kəl) Pronunciation Key
n.

Zoology An elongated flexible unsegmented extension, as one of those surrounding the mouth or oral cavity of the squid, used for feeling, grasping, or locomotion.

Botany One of the sensitive hairs on the leaves of insectivorous plants, such as the sundew.

A similar part or extension, especially with respect to the ability to grasp or stretch: an espionage network with far-reaching tentacles.

Christian Missionaries donot have tentacles. They have what? All forgiving loving Mother Mary? Who got knocked up and then tried to hide that fact that she was cheated by a man by saying she became miraculously pregnant. Or she was raped and but was too young to understand what happened to her. Only God knows what happened to her. Who will speak for wretched of earth? Christians? Hindus? Moslems? Sikhs? Jains? Buddhists? Jews?

dm ji,

this is not fair. you are repeating the usual commie propaganda.

please go through the site

www.crusadeswatch.com
if you want to get a different view and analyses of the christian evangelism in india.
hindus have nothing against christians but have alot against the church mafia.

Laddu, as usual, you are clueless.

Bhaijan, this article is not about RSS. This is an autobiogrpahy of Dost-Mittar Sahib's generation.

You see DM ji is a secular Indian who is suspected of being an RSS sympathizer by many Muslims. Or, he is a RSS sympathizer/member suspected of being secular by many Hindus.

Either way, image is everything for this generation. So this article is about image and its projection.

And that is what fairness means to this generation.

Harimau:

The issue is between Dalit Chritians and the Scheduled Tribes. The ST is protesting that the converted Dalits are lying about their conversion and trying to retain the benefits of reservations and quotas. This is the cause.


Do you think reservations for the so called "brain dead SC/ST/OBCs" (your favorite term) are helping in retention of folks within Hinduism ?. Do you think it is helpful now?. :-)

nice article.

seems like RSS is like the MATRIX. :-)

dmji

on what basis do you consider various listed small organizations as part of rss?

surprising that someone has red flagged my question to harimau. what exactly is objectionable there?.

laddu, DM ji does not call these organizations part of RSS.

He calls them part of "sangh parivar," although he use thes term interchangeably with RSS.

From his pov that is sensible because RSS is the most promiment organization that rejects the semitic-Communist view of India and Indian peoples.

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masana, LOL @ at your MATRIX comment. And DM ji, perturbed at being called RSS symphthizer himself, is going to ugplug us all from that virtual reality.

And who flagged masana's post? Guys, at this rate we will continue to live in that virutal reality forever.

laddu,

"on what basis do you consider various listed small organizations as part of rss?"

dost is not saying that. He is attributing. To wikipedia website. Words starting with "The Sangh Parivar includes" ... and ending with "Bharatiya Vichara Kendra" are direct cut-and-paste except for some word changed.

There is in this list an org called "Vit Salahkar Parishad". May be Hindus need one such sorely with financial crisis of past months. May be making it a secular will attract Muslims who will then cry foul when advice is given involving any transaction not consistent with Islam. So they made it a Hindu org. Because in India secular means Islamic.