Fathers and Daughters

146, Another masterpiece from the "literate". She writes " used to run after the moon, but in the car that my father drove, the moon was always running after him. I could watch it come so near to us, the wind sending it our way."

If the "moon" was running after you the "wind" which blows from the front to back of a driving car can NEVER drive it your way, it is pushing it away not your way."

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#146, Ah Masadi, you do make me laugh. This is really one of the best responses I ever got for anything I wrote. I must share it with my friends. You'll give us all something to laugh away the night with...(sigh! the poets...

Ok, ahem, coming back to your *noble,able and what is the word you'd like to call it Masadi? come I'll just call it that. there, there, don't fret. Lol

haha, ok sorry, yes so,

"If the "moon" was running after you the "wind" which blows from the front to back of a driving car can NEVER drive it your way, it is pushing it away not your way."
is what Mr. Masadi writes. lol hahaha

So you accept the first clause, that is the moon was running after me? How probable or improbable is that? can the moon run after little girls?
Lol, assuming it does do that, every tuesday, wouldn't the wind allow it? For this, we must carry out a simple experiment, to really find out HOW

"the "wind" which blows from the front to back of a driving car can NEVER drive it your way, it is pushing it away not your way"

Hmmmm, given my current experiment with the moon, and memory in its wind, you might have a point there masadi, the wind is perhaps not the driving force, the moon and the wind seems to be the fire beneath it, symbol of water/fire...

and you know my father used to argue with me that those two qualities cannot exist together. So I think that is coming up, the tension of that argument, I always felt you could encompass two opposing qualities.

Interesting discussion, thanks for the thoughts.

By the way, what happened to your Freudian Hypothesis? Or has that too gone to the moon, all lunar eclipsed by the wind? I do think the wind is the driving force here though.

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Creative Writing, Mr. Masadi, makes the ordinary resemble the extraordinary. We do this, not for stylistic errors, but to show that these two perceptions are not very irrelevant to each other.

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A story for the listener:

When I visited the City of Avignon, which is blue and white to my mind, as is the color scheme of this piece [sea,blue,water /opposed to white/moon/clarity/stone]
I saw the statue of a man there, carved and standing in front of the Palace of the Popes,

In his hands he's holding a book, on which is written, in french:
"Je suis une erreur"
[I am an Error]

The man keeps laughing, and there is water pouring down constantly over the entire length of his body, that is made of golden and burnt bold bronze.



معرآج

HP writes "Come on asadi,

She is just a young lady, a bit cocky but is not disrespecting anyone. You are a professor..."

HP sahib thank you for your kind and gracious advice. I merely joked about Freud and she got on my case, and then the comment about illiteracy supplemented by Ana calling me an idiot was provocative. I might have overreacted. There is nothing special about me but I am not illiterate, and Ms Meira think harder and don't try to invent creativity, it will come naturally once you think harder.

Have a nice day, and thank you HP sahib. Manto needs taken care of, I will let you go take care of that ignoramus.

TNI Masadi

I feel this is a good dialog, if only it was not punctuated with thappaRds :)
with much respect,
thinking storm

#142, The font is not "Arabic, it is "Urdu." I love it because it resembles a cat typographically the way it is placed, it also reminds me of a snake. Both are highly seductive symbols to me.

#146
Let me 'educate' you on how to receive such a delicate article. First of all, the passage you quote, is from the 'perspective' of the author which it is a 'child-narrative'
Children, specially daughters 'listen' to their fathers like that. The symbols are crashing in the mind of the child, not the 'father figure.'-- who comes forth as a distant, silent figure, captured in imagination of his daughter.

You're a novice reader. The themes to look for in this particular paragraph were: Imagination Vs Creativity [opposing each other, one concieves, the other creates]
The other themes one could possibly point out would be:
Child Vs Father, and the abstraction of it, as daughter Vs Imaginary Figure who 'believes and talks of the moon'
As she hears it its what it starts to mean to her,
he probably spoke of it, in distant ways. It is her imagination that colors it with the child's sensitivity to the father. [of which no father can find a replacement ever, no one will ever look at you like that again --]

Just some of the ideas running here. Ok, so to your next quotation. [by the way, its a good start, to at least try to give words your inabilities.] Bravo.

معرآج

MeiraJ08,

I'm encouraging temper, or....energy...just making the two participants of this energetic dialog, aware of it, in case one party was not aware :)
with much respect,
thinking storm

Come on asadi,

She is just a young lady, a bit cocky but is not disrespecting anyone. You are a professor, you need to encourage her or just let it go.

Btw, Moon does have fingers...it takes a little imagination to figure this out. Now can you figure that out?

#150, T.S there's logic in every poem I wrote, as much as there is logic in language -- you speak it, but can you 'analyze' how you say what, when and where?

Temper, Vemper: T, its energy, understand it like so. Or would you like to assume hurricanes have an 'emotional quality'? No, mate, hurricanes are just hurricanes. There's no god behind it. That's adding 'emotionalism' to an occurence.

This is also how science understands it. As a process, some go far to say with the "Gaia Hypothesis" that Earth has a natural eco-control system. But scientists don't talk about "God" in their hypothesis, neither do I talk about "one single illogical line" in anything I ever wrote.

Making a fuss about temper, seems to me, like making a fuss about 'being controlled' -- they are two different ways of being. Take your pick. whats the big deal, either way?

--Fatima.

معرآج

okay I think it is time for me to play some sort of a calming role here.

1. Masadi sahib, we both know why you're not getting published, and a lot of other folks do too. Chowk editors are biased and petty, they've got a grudge against you, plain and simple. You can school most of the so called intellectuals on this site, especially now that you do it without losing your temper. Er...okay...till recently TNI Masadi was working :)

2. Creative writing is exactly that. It is meant to evoke emotions, not logic. For logical cause and effect, we can read your work, for creative analogies and emotions, we can read MeiraJ08's work.

3. Although Masadi admits it and MeriaJ08 doesn't, both of you have a temper and you let loose often :). Hey, that's all good. I'm tired of enduring polite mediocrity. So bring on the rude brilliance, we're up for it.

4. Bicker amongst each other, sure. But let's not carry it too far. For it is apparent to all that we are slowly beginning to form a community of Pakistani thinkers/agitators/poets/writers . This is great news. So bicker yes, but let's carry on with the work.

5. Che, please ensure that we are all supplied with quality afghan ghaans.

Fair?

with much respect,
thinking storm

uh-oh

two massive brains are about to collide
with much respect,
thinking storm

And don't mess with me when you don't have the brains to do so....

The author writes "All the time he is talking about currency markets and foreign exchange, and yet the constant in his language came to be, what was constant to me as well: the moon. He had a theory that the moon affected the waves..."

Like all petty bourgeoisie capitalist wannabe, you father just like you is an ignoramus. It is not "his" theory but a well known "theory", and the gravitational pull of the moon has nothing whatsoever to do with theories of life, there is no connection whatsoever, this generalization is the generalization of an ignoramus who suffers from schnizophrenia.

Have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

Another masterpiece from the "literate". She writes " used to run after the moon, but in the car that my father drove, the moon was always running after him. I could watch it come so near to us, the wind sending it our way."

If the "moon" was running after you the "wind" which blows from the front to back of a driving car can NEVER drive it your way, it is pushing it away not your way. Now we can debate my literacy but atleast try to correct your BS before you make claims at creative writing.

Some masterpieces from the author

"Years later, he gaveme a ring which could have been stolen from one of the moon’s fingers. "

Something like "the moon is made of cheese" Now I can appreciate efforts at trying to be creative but atleast try to make some semblance of analogical comparison for "creativity" to work, not this kind of bs.

Thought the chowk police got me!

testing

Meiraj writes "I maintain, if you want to speak about something, next time please actually have something to say. "

Looking at your posts, and this article you wrote about "nothing", I can safely conclude that you have introspected and understood yourself in the above comments. Now please act on your own advice and shut up. And that Arabic signature you've adopted, it is just plain simple tacky, drop it.

Have a nice day,

TNI Masadi


Ana, I do not think the reason you list is the reason you keep following my posts around. It is in their intellectual quality that the trace lies. Don't lie and don't dare call masadi sahib an idiot. Thank you kindly