Beena Sarwar October 1, 2008
#6 Posted by laddu on October 2, 2008 4:55:37 am
Re: # 4
giani ji,
A broken Pakistan is very much the need of the hour. Politically i might make no difference to the citizens and may prove to be beneficial in the long run. But it would the greatest set back fo Pan-Islamist Al Qaeda and other strains of TNT because it would be a great set back to their dreams of uniting muslims in making an imbecile religious war against non-muslims.
giani ji,
A broken Pakistan is very much the need of the hour. Politically i might make no difference to the citizens and may prove to be beneficial in the long run. But it would the greatest set back fo Pan-Islamist Al Qaeda and other strains of TNT because it would be a great set back to their dreams of uniting muslims in making an imbecile religious war against non-muslims.
#5 Posted by laddu on October 2, 2008 4:51:35 am
Re: # 3
I agree....we cannot eliminate this TNT virus...but it can be contained........in a violent part of world called Pakistan..........
I agree....we cannot eliminate this TNT virus...but it can be contained........in a violent part of world called Pakistan..........
#4 Posted by giani_240 on October 2, 2008 4:47:12 am
Dear Ms. Sarwar, I can feel the anguish and fear in your writing. Unfortunately, Jayp and Eklavya have a valid point that a strong Pakistan is neither in India's nor Afganistan's interest. Historically, a feudal mindset, that is still prevelant in Pakistan, have always demonstrated animosity towards its neighbors.
When Ayub felt that Pakistan was strong vis-a-vis India he attaked India. Zia's legacy, established from a position of strength, is playing havoc with Afganistan even today and the "blowback" is having its consequences in Pakistan.
When Musharaf felt that he was strong enough bcos of the nuclear weapons, he unleashed Kargil.
So to say that a weak Pakistan is a threat to its neighbors is a fallacy. A strong Pakistan is a nightmare. A weak Pakistan embroiled in its own soup and contained within its borders is perhaps a more suitable arrangement.
Pakistan, a country created by the demand of the Muslim Feudals has never had any democracy. It has always been run by a Fuedal - be it an "elected" one or an oppointed one (Army). You now have Sindhi Feudals running the country.
I dont think that Pakistan is in any danger of failing completely. Yes, there is a possibility of some cracks in its structure from widening. The US will not allow Pakistan to break-up as it is not in its interests. Strangely enough, I dont think it is in interest of the Indians to break it up any further.
When Ayub felt that Pakistan was strong vis-a-vis India he attaked India. Zia's legacy, established from a position of strength, is playing havoc with Afganistan even today and the "blowback" is having its consequences in Pakistan.
When Musharaf felt that he was strong enough bcos of the nuclear weapons, he unleashed Kargil.
So to say that a weak Pakistan is a threat to its neighbors is a fallacy. A strong Pakistan is a nightmare. A weak Pakistan embroiled in its own soup and contained within its borders is perhaps a more suitable arrangement.
Pakistan, a country created by the demand of the Muslim Feudals has never had any democracy. It has always been run by a Fuedal - be it an "elected" one or an oppointed one (Army). You now have Sindhi Feudals running the country.
I dont think that Pakistan is in any danger of failing completely. Yes, there is a possibility of some cracks in its structure from widening. The US will not allow Pakistan to break-up as it is not in its interests. Strangely enough, I dont think it is in interest of the Indians to break it up any further.
#3 Posted by jayp on October 2, 2008 2:49:05 am
Re: # 2
I agree, there will be no substantial change, the support for the jihadis is intrinsic to the TNt strain of islam that created pakistan, that muslims cannot live with other religions. This over the years have been expanded initially to get rid of the ahmadias, then the shias etc.
But with the US intervention, there could be some reduction in the money flows to the jihadis through the ISI. That at least is something good. The fact is that pakistanis and their ideology cannot be changed, it can only be managed by global intervention.
At last things are moving in that direction, and a weekened economy is the first step towards that..
I agree, there will be no substantial change, the support for the jihadis is intrinsic to the TNt strain of islam that created pakistan, that muslims cannot live with other religions. This over the years have been expanded initially to get rid of the ahmadias, then the shias etc.
But with the US intervention, there could be some reduction in the money flows to the jihadis through the ISI. That at least is something good. The fact is that pakistanis and their ideology cannot be changed, it can only be managed by global intervention.
At last things are moving in that direction, and a weekened economy is the first step towards that..
#2 Posted by Eklavya on October 2, 2008 2:26:02 am
"India had been telling a long time that the jihadis are supported by the ISI, at last now even the pakistanis are agreeing to it."
You are far too optimistic Jayp. Far far too optimistic. The apparent disagreement between the Taliban and the Pakistani middle class/ISI that created the Taliban is a purely INTERNAL issue.
If you think this represents even the slightest change in any Pakistani's mindset, you will be sorely disappointed, and very soon.
You are far too optimistic Jayp. Far far too optimistic. The apparent disagreement between the Taliban and the Pakistani middle class/ISI that created the Taliban is a purely INTERNAL issue.
If you think this represents even the slightest change in any Pakistani's mindset, you will be sorely disappointed, and very soon.
#1 Posted by jayp on October 2, 2008 1:59:18 am
Beena...
"A weak, fragmented Pakistan will pose a threat to all its neighbours. "
It is all a question what that strong pakistan is likely to stand for and support. A pakistan, a strong pakistan strongly supporting the jihadis is bad for the world.
In the past 60 years pakistan has shown beyond doubt what it stands for, and teh world doesnot like it one bit.
India had been telling a long time that the jihadis are supported by the ISI, at last now even the pakistanis are agreeing to it.
Time for teh pakistanis to listen ti India and take any indians words as though it is from the book.
"A weak, fragmented Pakistan will pose a threat to all its neighbours. "
It is all a question what that strong pakistan is likely to stand for and support. A pakistan, a strong pakistan strongly supporting the jihadis is bad for the world.
In the past 60 years pakistan has shown beyond doubt what it stands for, and teh world doesnot like it one bit.
India had been telling a long time that the jihadis are supported by the ISI, at last now even the pakistanis are agreeing to it.
Time for teh pakistanis to listen ti India and take any indians words as though it is from the book.
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