Miley Sur Mera Tumhara

In the Trichy edition of "The Anri-Hindu", on Tuesday there was a letter from a Juliet Mary.

Juliet Mary lamented the fact that a nun was raped in Kandhmal in Orissa and asked why there were no Hindus who, like Krishna who came to the rescue of Draupadi when she was being disrobed by Dusshasana in Duryodana's court after the Pandavas lost the game and bet, came to the rescue of the nun.

Juliet Mary conveniently forgets that it is those Christian missionaries who went around preaching that Krishna is a false god.

Maybe those who were alleged to have raped the nun accepted the priests' preachings and decided not to act like Krishna the false god. In that sense, they had decided to accept Christ's message and were not truly Hindu.

One wonders about Juliet Mary's (or for that matter, Shantanu Dutta's) commitment to Christianity. After all, didn't Christ teach them to turn the other cheek when struck? One would have thought Juliet Mary would have counseled the nun to have sex with a few more people, if she truly followed Christ's teachings.

Yo, Shantanu Dutta: so long as you Christians went about your daily lives without interfering in other people's lives, you had no problems. The day you started telling them what kind of non-Hindus they ought to become, the Hindus have decided what kind of Hindus they will accept.... and even what kinds of non-Hindus they will accept. Activist Christians and bomb-throwing Mozzies are just plain not acceptable.

Have you got that lesson down pat?

Shantanu bhai, this was a good article. Not much to disagree with here (even though eulogizing ravana was not the issue for anyone, showing sita and ravana cavorting together was some).

Hope people can still live peacefully, by offering other communities the basic respect they deserve. That is the essence of sur mein sur milana, which Hindus and Christians had been able to achieve until quite recently.

Santanu-dada, Namaskar.....
well written...couple of points....
Indians have no problem accepting Christ as son of God ( Krishna). In fact, that was the tradition. In the lineage Krishna comes first, Buddha little modern and then Christ, who is mixed personality of Krishna and Buddha....Have you ever seen any Indian maligning Christ? Nope, never....
Have you seen Indians dislike Chriatians? No...

When the tribals, leaving their own culture, try to malign the father of the Prophet of their adopted religion, will Christ save them? No....
So is their misery.....

Milhe Sur Mera Tumhara was to integrate various cultural identities of India (West- Marathi, Gujrati, Rajput, East- Bengali, Oriya, Assemese, South- Tamil, Kannada, Malayalam, Telegu)....It has nothing to do with mediaval arab beduinism(Islam) or ....


Hari...
Well said...
Santanu is Bong ( not christian)....

shantanu, its time to celebrate...the era of PC shyte is gone. gone is the time when only by Periyar Ramasway of the Dravida Kazakham in anti brahminical protest couold trash one of the most holy figures without any hoopla..now its more rough and tumble of blaspheming and media hoopla. its all good and we should all welcome this kinda iconoclasm..all ideas are subject to scrutiny and everyone, including the sikh manch are allowed to air their opinions in full honesty ..its great new free era.

offcourse we all bear responsibility for consequences of our speech and actions..its karma.

Dada (Santanu Dutta),
have you ever thought that tribals are the victim of tussle between BD and missionaries?
some people are changing sidhu munda to arjun munda and you people are busy making them stephen munda...have you ever thought about the sensibilities of the tribals?
At least BD people are illiterate or semi literate, fed with cow belt ideology. You fellows are treated as most decent people, and you guys are behaving in such a fashion?

why don't you preach message of love (christianity) to the calcutta people ( embroiled in political turmoil- between mamata and buddha), who need it more than anybody else?

dada,
regarding ravana, his deed was considered to be bad, not ravana himself. He was very affectionate towards her sister, he was ideal king and lanka was most prosperous of the kingdoms. his force had quality heroes like meghnad and his wife (mandodari) was potrayed as noble lady. so, is his brother was potrayed that way. no where in ramayana, ravana was potrayed as bad person. it was his pride, which caused destriction.ravana have not take sita to enjoy her. it was to take revenge of what ram and lakshman did to his sister supranakha if perriyer preaches it, let it be....
anyhow, ramayana was an excellent work of fiction...
http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/1315.html

"Have you ever seen any Indian maligning Christ? Nope, never...."

That situation cannot continue anymore. Mr. Christ/Mr. Jesus will be abused (and exposed for what he was) openly if this situation continues.

Barda...
Triabls need money more than message of Jesus...they are doing well without that ( no group fighting, inquisition, opas dei type of organisation....).....
http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/21/top10.htm
I think your church should work more in war ravaged regions and bring peace rather breaking tribal unity into pieces...

'#1 Posted by harimau on October 20, 2008 4:42:43 pm
In the Trichy edition of "The Anri-Hindu", on Tuesday there was a letter from a Juliet Mary.'

haramiu chutya,

A person, who may or may not be badmouthing (others of her ilk do probabaly) a fictional character, was raped. A third person wrote some idiotic appeal for justice in a newspaper. A fourth person justified the rape by saying that ONE OF THE FORCES against rapes mentioned in the appeal was upset, so no help.. A fifth person is asking now WHERE THE HELL ARE THE OTHER FORCES THAT PREVENT RAPES ETC?

Ref hamzaad #9

[haramiu chutya,

A person, who may or may not be badmouthing (others of her ilk do probabaly) a fictional character, was raped. A third person wrote some idiotic appeal for justice in a newspaper. A fourth person justified the rape by saying that ONE OF THE FORCES against rapes mentioned in the appeal was upset, so no help.. A fifth person is asking now WHERE THE HELL ARE THE OTHER FORCES THAT PREVENT RAPES ETC?]

Shantanu Dutta is a Christian bent upon spreading lies on Chowk. Here is his article, which recounts a FICTIONAL STORY in a Chistian publication:

http://www.chowk.com/articles/11525

Yet the Mozzies who couldn't understand words unless they had physical manifestation from a mullah and are inserted into certain body cavities jumped upon it as if it were something that really happened.

The interesting thing now is that the nun who claimed she was raped in front of a police station in full view of thirty policemen is nowhere to be seen! She has disappeared among the 1.2 billion people of India. But the Orissa police went all the way to Kerala and arrested three persons as the suspected rapists. The question is: why won't the num come forward and identify them? Don't tell me she is doing the Christian thing by forgiving her rapists! Bullcrap!

Enough false claims of rapes have been turned in by Christian nuns which, after investigations, have been shown to be false. Generally, these are in non-Congress ruled states such as Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat and Orissa. Of course, the newspapers which are out to malign the Hindu religion, have screaming headlines about the alleged rapes but have no follow-up if the investigations tutn up a blatant lie.

I for one would not be surprised if the nun turns up pregnant and DNA tests establish the local priest in Orissa to be the father! Rape would be a convenient excuse for a baby out of wedlock.

Ib Tamil Nadu right now, there are quite a few so-called Christian priests who are involved in real estate scams. One of the guys who was arrested for swindling crores of rupees was a Father Job Saravanan. And in my younger days, a Catholic priest in Kerala was sentenced to hang for the murder of his paramour! Unless someone is confusing a priest's seed for Christ's words, it is not hard to understand that these priests are not spreading Christ's message!

And fcuk you too!

harimiu chutyau,

Read carefully u..

'Juliet Mary conveniently forgets that it is those Christian missionaries who went around preaching that Krishna is a false god.'

Just because a THIRD PERSON invoked a deity with dicks for followers, does not mean that the ORIGNAL VICTIM does not deserve protection from crime. Your chutya 'justification' for violence hinges on a rape being comitted. If no rape occured, you are even a bigger chutyau for bringing up the 'call-our-god-flase-and-we-will-flip-out-our-bhinDis' defence..

Ref hamzaad #11

I would like to agree with you.

Except that your folks sentenced a man to death for saying that Mohammad did not shave his arm pits.

So, until you guys improve your murderous ways, one would think that you guys should be the last one to tell others how to treat a case of blasphemy.

Harimau,

What if Hamzaad saab is a Hindu?

I have seen some of the evangelist christian who get paid handsomely for doing the work of spreading a negative caricature of hinduism .
This is part of the competitive-communalism that Global-TNT of Al-Qaeda variety is injecting in the world politics.
Muslims are squarely responsible for the deteriorating communal relations world wide.
And actually Pakistani TNT is at the helm of this process of global communalization on religious lines.

Some non-religious types are now romanticizing about the Mile-Sur-Mera-Tumhara type of communal relations which has always been propounded by liberal Hinduism but has always been scoffed and rejected by these evangelists and Islamists.

We are now going to pay the price for allowing communalization of world by not check mating the hatred of the Evangelists and Islamist Dais.

Missionaries are Colonialists PDF | Print | E-mail
Wednesday, 22 October 2008

source: Pravada, Russia, October 21, 2008

Gregory F. Fegel

Christian missionaries make no secret of the fact that they use medical services, education, and employment opportunities to lure impoverished indigenous populations throughout the world into conversion to Christianity.

According to the popular and scholarly history of Christianity, the early Christian Church found its greatest appeal and attracted its greatest number of converts from the poor people of the Roman Empire. The early Christian churches raised money through a tithe, or ten per cent income tax, levied on their members, and the early Christian church is said to have had a strong 'sense of community', which implies that it had a well-organized social, financial, and political network among its membership.

Using your wealth to purchase other people's loyalty is a game as old as humanity itself. Rich men use their wealth to attract women, unscrupulous employers use material incentives and disincentives to manipulate their workers, and wealthy countries like the USA use their national wealth to keep their citizens loyal to the cause of aggressive and genocidal Imperialism. But historical longevity and common practice don't make the manipulation or exploitation morally or ethically right.

Organized religions are inherently POLITICAL organizations. There is a fundamental difference between the financial enterprise and political machinations of an organized religion versus a mass of independent, unaffiliated believers, philosophers, and mystics who do not support any organized religion.

Christianity and Islam are known as proselytizing religions because they make an organized and systematic effort to gain converts, and they often provide services, products, or employment to attract converts. Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism show far less zeal about gaining converts, which is why you almost never hear about Jewish, Hindu, or Buddhist missionaries.

Modern medical and nursing schools usually teach their students the moral principle that the provision of medical services should never be used as a means to proselytize or promote a religion, but that does not deter many Christian health care providers from doing exactly that. Most of the medical and charitable organizations based in Christian countries are fronts for Christian proselytizing activities.

One of the largest international medical relief organizations based in the USA, Northwest Medical Teams, states in their recruitment brochure that their chief 'mission' is to 'spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ', that their medical relief services are subordinate to their stated goal of proselytizing Christianity, and that their medical relief work is merely an 'aegis', or facade, for spreading Christianity.

The religious and cultural Imperialism performed by missionaries nearly always goes hand-in-hand with political and economic Imperialism. Christian missionaries often work in partnership with the CIA, with the US government, and with wealthy corporations to subvert the religion, the culture, the economy, and the politics of vulnerable indigenous populations. The CIA often uses planes owned by Christian missionary organizations and flown by Christian missionary pilots to smuggle drugs, arms, and prisoners.

During the CIA's illegal Iran/Contra scam of the 1980s, Christian missionary pilots and planes smuggled drugs into the USA and arms into Central America and Iran. Now the CIA is using Christian missionary planes to smuggle heroin from Afghanistan, cocaine from Latin America, and for 'rendition' flights of 'Terrorist' prisoners to secret prisons that practice torture and commit extra-judicial executions.

The USA's Faith Based Initiative law provides Christian missionary organizations with taxpayer funds that are used to proselytize Christianity to indigenous populations throughout the world. Christian missionaries are the leading edge of a religious, cultural, economic, and political aggression supported by the US government.

When missionaries bring outside wealth to an impoverished Third World country and use that wealth to provide services that are meant to attract converts, they are interfering with the local social and economic structure as well as the local cultural traditions. Indigenous people who take advantage of the privileges provided by the missionaries and convert to Christianity partake in a social organization that uses foreign wealth as a tool to eliminate the indigenous culture and replace it with Christianity.

A small and reclusive population of a few hundred people with a primitive Stone Age culture lives on North Sentinel Island, in the Andaman chain, which is administered by the government of India. To protect the culture of the inhabitants of North Sentinel Island, the Indian government has wisely banned anyone from visiting the island. I approve of the Indian government's policy of protecting the unique culture of the North Sentinels from outside influence. If anyone on North Sentinel Island should ever desire to leave, they can build a boat and do so.

Among a total of 195 nations in the world today, fifty-seven of those nations have a legally established, official State Religion. There are fourteen nations that claim Christianity as their State Religion, twenty-six nations that claim Islam as their State Religion, six nations that claim Buddhism as their State Religion, and the Jewish State of Israel. The Jewish State of Israel discriminates against its non-Jewish citizens and within its borders Israel officially prohibits the proselytizing of any religion other than Judaism. Many people believe that Israel has a ‘right to exist’ in this manner as a Jewish State.

Many Islamic countries strive to protect the cultural identity of their citizens by enforcing a ban on preaching any religion but Islam. Considering the aggressive, insidious, and highly political nature of Christian missionary programs, the banning of non-Moslem religious preaching by Moslem governments makes sense.

Currently there is no officially Hindu State anywhere in the world, but perhaps India should become a Hindu State in order to protect its indigenous religion and culture from the predatory missionaries and State-sponsored cultural Imperialism that are coming from both Christian and Moslem countries. If the Jews have the right to establish and maintain Israel as a Jewish State, then the Hindus certainly have a right to establish and maintain India as a Hindu State.

When Western leaders talk about a 'Clash of Civilizations', what they really mean is Judeo-Christianity and corporate Capitalism versus all non-Christians and non-Capitalists. Christian missionaries are essentially colonialists working for Christian cultural Imperialism.

When the Hindus of India rise up in riot and drive out the Christian missionaries and the Christian 'cash converts', they are doing what the Iraqi, Afghani, and Palestinian Freedom Fighters are doing. They are protecting themselves and their indigenous culture from wealthy and unscrupulous invaders who have no respect for them or for their culture. I wish the Hindu nationalists well in their efforts to defend and maintain the independence and survival of their indigenous culture and religion against the onslaught of predatory and disrespectful foreigners whose goal is to replace indigenous traditional cultures with a global Christian empire.

If Christian missionaries want to come to India and try to make converts to Christianity, let them come with empty pockets and compete on a level playing field. And if most of the locals don't want the missionaries interfering with their traditional way of life, they have the right to make the missionaries and their converts leave.

Madrassi
how does it feel Fked by fellow hindu not Muzzies


India doesn't want refugees from Sri Lanka: Pranab





23 Oct 2008, 1910 hrs IST, PTI





NEW DELHI: India on Thursday said it does not want influx of Tamil refugees from Sri Lanka into its territory, saying it is the responsibility of the
island nation to provide food and shelter to civilians displaced because of hostilities there.

"We will not like influx of refugees to Tamil Nadu because of a situation over which we have no control. We are prevailing upon them (Sri Lanka), it is your responsibility to provide food, shelter and medicine to your displaced people," external affairs minister Pranab Mukherjee said in the Rajya Sabha.

He was replying to clarifications sought on his suo motu statement made in the House on Wednesday on the situation in Sri Lanka.

When senior Indian officials visited Sri Lanka recently, they told their counterparts that New Delhi would like to have an overall assessment before meeting their requirements. This was because "we would not like international players in our backyard", Mukherjee said.

He was specifically responding to the concerns of leader of the opposition Jaswant Singh over China, Sri Lanka and Pakistan forging strategic relations in the region.

Mukherjee said Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa was sending his senior political adviser Basil Rajapaksa to India "by the weekend" and there will be some discussion.

"We will provide whatever assistance they require for rehabilitation, relief and succour to the displaced persons," he said.

He maintained that the ultimate solution could be achieved through implementation of the recommendations of the high-powered committee, devolution of power and giving autonomy in certain areas.

On the killing of Indian fishermen by the Sri Lankan Navy, over which several members from Tamil Nadu expressed serious concern, he said Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has already taken up the issue with the Sri Lankan leaders.

"There is no justification for Sri Lanka Navy shooting Indian fishermen. You can arrest them as it often happens in Pakistan. But there is no reason why the Sri Lankan Navy will fire upon our fishermen," Mukherjee said.

He said they have agreed to work out a mechanism for a practical solution to resolve the issue and added that some arrangements were being worked out to ensure that the fishermen are adequately warned.