History and Origins of MQM Part II

Re: # 68

Ahmedmadani sahib, you worry unnecessarily. Jodhabai is unlikely to ban anybody unless you make her WORK.

Re: # 67 Stupid , coward red flagging so I will be banned like My friend masadi. If you ban is ok. I will stop.

Re: # 63 Salim Bhai.... Your statement is not factualy wrong.
"To do that, it must first remove its archaic, confusing, and irresponsible leader, Altaf Hussein. It must also look beyond the narrow confinement of ethnic rivalries and be the serious, secular, progressive, and patriotic party for ALL Pakistanis. It must disavow violence, apoligize for its illegal acts, cooperate with law enforcement, and forever remove the ugly label of Indian agency."

Altaf Hussain does not deserve all adjective you assign. He is most wather beaten leader. He wants to guard interests of Hindustani Muslims and Pakistan politics id jungle. It is place where politics is calculus of "ethinics" and natationality interests. Altaf is always trying to protect interests of new sindhis. To be honest nobody was honest about "bihari" including MQM even today. Manty times MQM have been King Maker and can forced to make sure "immigration" takes place. It was talking or kicking football and sure dejected Biharis understood even for MQM "out of site out of mind". is now situation. Even for MQM biharis are lost people. IF Hindustani muslims do not care for bihari Muslims ( after all they are backward, dark colored people) why white muslims will bother. Is dead horse.
All political parties using ethinic politics to hilt why single out MQM. Now violence is not good if it nondirected.
MQM under AH used violence when PPI were useing same. I have said earlier AH is not mad man. AF has been generous to his political friends and dangerous to his enemies. THat is reasonable way where many got posts through murder, coups and assinations. You know if you want your cat be out door , donot handicap him by declawning. As other maless will kill your cat mercilessly.A Political organization should have military wing or lakshar in present situation.
If PPP has such organization Zia would not have dared to execute ZAB judiacially and hang and defile dead man body. Today many Psycopaths do not start war on MQM as they know Hindustani Muslims have different response than Sindhis but they will retaliate massively damaging economic interests. Before Balochi resitance was killed but when they started blowing up pipelines, railways , electric pylons their killer got message and they became moderate. They were told their leaders will now from where missile blow came. Such arrogence after usurping all gas and minerals from B.Stan. After resitance of violent nature started moderation started as key is fear and economics. So presently you advice is pious and praiseworthy but to follow at this time can lead to destruction of that party. When Sindhi Jiyals when on rumpage and destroyed state property then even army govt mellowed.
Presently situation is bad and but in few years will look great times. Economy of nation is disintegrating and every ethinic group is undewr tension including Major group of Punjabis also worried about future. There is increase in violence. On an average 30 people are killed in violence. More people are living in fear. Do you want MQM be unarmed when other groups are armed.
I will not go in details as you are too smart to be explained Mr. A H "lunatic behaviour" in your words.
( Archic,confusing and irresponsible). Kindly think over what I am going to say. Mr. AH may be mad but his madness has a Method ,Good day.

The article is informative. But a lot of this stuff belongs in the past and needs to be left there. If Pakistanis truly wish to have a better tomorrow (than the past), they need to move away from labels such as Mohajirs, Sindhis, Punjabis, etc. They need to focus on the insaan part of their existence, perhaps that will help broaden individual perspectives and forge a common identity instead of prejudiced narrow parochialism.

I have posted a new ilog, not being displayed on FP by Chowk Staff

Prejudice and Culture Arguments

http://chowk.com/ilogs/69490/40823

Some love from china for pakistanis....NYtimes

LATEST NEWS Rebuffed by China, Pakistan May Seek I.M.F. Aid By JANE PERLEZPublished: October 19, 2008 ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - President Asif Ali Zardari returned from China late Friday without a commitment for cash needed to shore up Pakistan's crumbling economy, leaving him with the politically unpopular prospect of having to ask the International Monetary Fund for help.Pakistan was seeking the aid from China, an important ally, as it faces the possibility of defaulting on its current account payments. With the United States and other nations preoccupied by a financial crisis, and Saudi Arabia, another traditional ally, refusing to offer concessions on oil, China was seen as the last port of call before the I.M.F.Accepting a rescue package from the fund would be seen as humiliating for Mr. Zardari's government, which took office this year. An I.M.F.-backed plan would require Pakistan's government to cut spending and raise taxes, among other measures, which could hurt the poor, officials said.The Bush administration is concerned that Pakistan's economic meltdown will provide an opportunity for Islamic militants to capitalize on rising poverty and frustration. The Pakistanis have not been shy about exploiting the terrorist threat to try to win financial support, a senior official at the I.M.F. said.But because of the dire global financial situation, and the reluctance of donor nations to provide money without strict economic reforms by Pakistan, the terrorist argument has not been fully persuasive, he said. "A selling point to us even has been, if the economy really collapses this is going to mean civil strife, and strikes, and put the war on terror in jeopardy," said the official, who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to the news media."They are saying, 'We are a strategic country, the world needs to come to our aid,' " he said.

Dear Pakistanis
I encourage you to concentrate your energies on the important issues affecting Pakistan - disunity, nosediving economy, rampant terrorism, and erosion of self-confidence.

Yes, I have supported rights for Urdu speaking Pakistanis and repatriation of "stranded Biharis" from Bangladesh. I still consider these to be important issues, but in light of the more urgent and insidious problems gnawing at the fabric of Pakistan, I suggest that we place ethnic, provincial, linguistic, sectarian, class, gender, and religious diversions on the back burners. While these problems persist in Pakistan, they are often exploited by foreign manipulators and their willing Pakistani agents to further divide and demoralize our nation.

Note to Cliftonbridge and other superficial "Pakistanis"

Now is not the time to provide free entertainment and inferiority complex-laden encouragement to our avowed enemies. The cheap, temporary, and meaningless applause, that your biased audience, among our neighbors, provides for your misguided gratification, is definitely not worth the erosion of unity and entrenchment of disappointment for Pakistan. Please grow up, act more responsibly, and reconsider your sophomoric position.

In conclusion, I am sure that MQM will evolve into a mature, responsible, national, and even positively contributing element of Pakistan's political landscape. To do that, it must first remove its archaic, confusing, and irresponsible leader, Altaf Hussein. It must also look beyond the narrow confinement of ethnic rivalries and be the serious, secular, progressive, and patriotic party for ALL Pakistanis. It must disavow violence, apoligize for its illegal acts, cooperate with law enforcement, and forever remove the ugly label of Indian agency.

"I refuse to join the unpatriotic so-called "Pakistanis" in degrading the concept, people, unity, society, and state of Pakistan."

No please don't be like that, we really need your wisdo.. wait who gives a fck? On with the entertainment

Bubba it is obvious that the only person who is full of hate on this thread is you. You have some chip on your shoulder and after all your previous crap has been refuted you are now moving on to the old and stale allegations of bhatta. MQM is no longer a bhatta collecting party, you have no evidence and will continue to believe what you want to believe. MQM's policies in the 1980's were completely justified and necessary for our survival.

Btw did you even read the article it has absolutely no relevance to the discussion at hand and you are spouting of utter shite.

Dear Chishti

Here we go again, I really cannot understand this infatuation with MQM and its history.

Maybe next time you could write about the Punjabi chauvinism of PML-NS or the Pathan centric ANP/NAP.

Much appreciated.

MQM with all her problems is a genuine representative of Mohajirs and represents every Mohajir (using Salim Bhai’s word “M� instead of “m�) be it at the top level or lower down to the clerical level. I personally do not like Altaf Hussain as a leader of MQM but that does not stop me supporting his message and the party – as it is formed by people in our families, our friends, people we know as we own MQM.

Excellent analysis – welcome to chowk Mr.Chishti. I agree with most of your views however you should start writing on Pakistani politics as it looks like you write prodigiously.

I am in a process of writing another part and since I will soon be publishing a book - I found couple of other things.

Transformation of MQM
The other two forgotten Mohajirs which later merged into MQM were Mohajir Rabita Council (MRC) and Mohajir Ittehad Tehreek (MIT). The MRC was an organization of the older generation of Mohajirs (in Hyderabad area) founded by Maulana Wasi Mazhar Nadwi, a former leader of the JI in Sindh who had been expellef from the party in 1976. During Zia's period he was appointed the mayor of Hyderabad and for a breid period became the federdal minister of religious affairs. Another member was Ishtiaq Ahmed, who in the 1970s
was associated with the Mohajir Punjabi Pathan Movement (MPPM). He would later become an MQM senator but in the mid-80's he criticized the MQM's coperation with the Sindhi separatost Jiyay Sindh Movement and the PPP. He and other mRC memeber attacked Altaf Hussain for being in
good terms with G.M Syed. They ridiculed the MQM leader by presenting a video of him in the reception room of GM Syed, sitting in a submissive pose with his knees togather and stammering barely intelligible words in favor of Sindhudesh.

The MIT was more radical and militant of young Mohajirs that formed in 1986. It's leader the medical student Saleem Hyder, claimed to be the cofounder of the APMSO in 1978 and a friend of Altaf Hussain but also said that he had left the student organization becaus ehe was against the
adoption of ethnic politics by the APMSO. He condemned this as a denial of sactifices made by older generation of Mohajirs. Nonetheless, both groups occasionally worked togather and even at times clashed. The MIT attacked the MQM on two points: it's alliance with Sindhi parties' and
it's supposed domination by Shia Muslims. MIT vanished from the scene after 1988 and disolved herself into MQM only after they helped detach the MQM from it's Sindhi allies.

masadi sahib has posted an important ilog, read it while it lasts.....

oeye, mqm wallos,

learn some history written by your own karachi walla, aur ibrut haasil karo, jahilo

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\10\18\story_18-10-2 008_pg3_5

opinion: Looking back in anger —Salman Tarik Kureshi

And that brings us to our present plight. The incredible mess left behind by the Musharraf regime is arguably the worst yet...[read MQM]. But, let us face the fact that the Taliban and Al Qaeda are mere symptoms. The real malignancies, from which has grown the frightful cancer that has riddled our national fabric, have been the petty opportunism and continual failures of our leadership.

The writer is a marketing consultant based in Karachi. He is also a poet

Re: # 53 China race is better type . They do not tolerate indians and iranisns to be called as asians. They told usa govt not just put chinese with bunch of Indians as asians. Asians means advanced type people not like Indians. Just clarification. Due to china usa govt Indians are not considerd asians but just east Indians.