History and Origins of MQM Part II

che i think trolls are typically smarter ..... in either case he was good for a laugh :)

Re: # 31 Posted by barristerakc on October 17, 2008 1:03:10 pm

[- hum say jalnay waloon ka moon kala :) ]

hum kiya jalain gay, bhai aap lougoun kas moun kaala hee hain.....:) just wait on ahmedmadani to come on this site to validate your dark skin...

it is only people who chose to be corrupt started calling themselves as mohajir, to get some sympathy from the local sindhi muslims.actually the local pakis were calling the new commers as "panah geers"

bubba seriously you need to get a grip. There are very legitimate criticisms to be made of MQM, however it cant be pure coincidence that people with strong "political opinions" against the MQM eventually turn out to be foaming at the mouth racists like yourself.

Re: # 32 bubba, are you for real? thanks for making our points valid...!

cliff I think its a troll

Re: # 28 Posted by cliftonbridge on October 17, 2008 12:53:57 pm

1. [lol....are you completely insane?]

urdu speakers continue to be the best bureaucrat in paki land, and they were the one who introduced "rushwat khouri" in pakistan. "rushwat" is something a city dweller does. it just is illogical to place the inception of this corrupt practice of the land owning class.

strictly speaking even MAJ was a mohajir, although he would not define himself as such. it is only people who chose to be corrupt started calling themselves as mohajir, to get some sympathy from the local sindhi muslims. actually the local pakis were calling the new commers as "panah geers"

the panjo and passer-e-zameen's logic :) they will die fighting eachother - hate mongers and nothing but THICK.
As far as herd behavior is concerned, Panjos are best at it.

MQM is here to stay and rule in our areas - hum say jalnay waloon ka moon kala :)

"of course it means as you say {Bubba democracy means you count people votes.}. once it is casted of free will. with MQM's gunda gurdy there never was and there never will be free will."

Bubba are you trying to tell me there is no "gunda gardy" involved during election time in most of rural Pakistan and polls are completely free and fair? If you believe that you are either retarded or dishonest.

"And who were in this shitty government? since the beginning. Mohajirs, of course."

If you look at Pakistan's position up till 1971, it was in a much better position than it is now. The country was much moderate (even though I despise that word) as well being far more stable financially. The Pakistani state survived initially because of the Mohajir industrialists who immigrated to Pakistan, it continued to survive because of the army's carte blanche. However it is still laughable if you think a few bureaucrats and seths had control over the governance of entire Pakistan.

The rest of your posts descends into hollow "my opinion" crap, you seem to have some very bigotted opinions.

Re: # 26 Posted by barristerakc on October 17, 2008 12:42:46 pm

mohajiroun kee cicular logic pay qurbaan jaoun. you must be a bihaari?

did you not know with mohajir gunda gurdy every gadha would vote for MQM. this is exactly what herds do. BTW, would you call a group of ghadhaas as herd?

1. Pakistan has shit governance that goes without saying.]
And who were in this shitty government? since the beginning. Mohajirs, of course

lol....are you completely insane? yes muhajirs have been running the punjabi baluchi or pushtoon provinical govts not to mention the entire central govt since the inception of pakistan. Maybe in lala land.

2. "with MQM's gunda gurdy there never was and there never will be free will"

I see. So basically you dont believe in democracy if the party you dont like wins (this was my point arjun).

Re: # 22 Posted by barristerakc on October 17, 2008 12:04:06 pm

array bhai barristerakc sahib, kiyoun lambhi lambhi chor rahey ho?

urdu speakers always called themselves as Mohajirs since day one. they were entrapped within JI and their anti-Pakistan stand. JI with it's failed politics could do nothing else, but stir up the lasaani argument between urdu and sidhi.

unsuspecting mohajirs (including biharis from former East Pakistan) took the bait, and went down the path of hatred towards their adopted country. Incidentally, they still have the same attitude towards their new adopted homelands in the west.

being a mohajir does not mean being a gypsy. Or does it?

@bubba, live in your dreams! the educated Mohajirs support MQM more then anyone else - it's a false assumption that they do not - just because they don't come in MQM gatherings does not mean they do not vote for MQM.

Re: # 19 Posted by cliftonbridge on October 17, 2008 9:58:50 am

of course it means as you say {Bubba democracy means you count people votes.}. once it is casted of free will. with MQM's gunda gurdy there never was and there never will be free will.

[Pakistan has shit governance that goes without saying.]

And who were in this shitty government? since the beginning. Mohajirs, of course.

[BTW im sure your opposition to mqm has nothing to do with your prejudice against urdu speaking people as evident by your ignorant posts.]

My opinion is not what the so-called educated mohajirs are seeking. They want freedom from MQM's terror and JI's islamic zanjeer, which will be difficult for some in paki-land to understand.

have you not heard the latest slogan "Pakistan say Zinda Bhago" I wonder who started this kind of sloganeering. Maybe someone from the urdu speaking community.

#23

yeah but on this thread its other people dissing the democratically elected gvernment of karachi, not me :)

#21 Posted by cliftonbridge on October 17, 2008 12:00:07 pm

no..it was a lesson for you...it doesn't matter how bad your choice ends up being, what matters that it was your choice..and you have a chance to do something about it...

Tereitorial identity gained popularity in the 1970's. It was an alternative to the ideal of Muslim nationalism that lay scattered after the parition of 1971. A Pakistani had always had a doublt identity. As a Muslim he belonged to the "umma". As a Pakistani he belonged to the "millat" - a term that us a synonym for nation. Whereas the umma explained Pakistan's eastern border with India, the millat did so for the western borders with other Muslim countries. Bhutto now added a third community, the "qaum" to which a Pakistani was suppose to belong. He took qaum, or people, as an ethnic-territorial unit, identifying four qaum in
Pakistan. He took qaum or people, as an ethnic-territorial unit, identigying four qaum in Pakistan, which coincided with the four provinces: the Pakistan, Sindh, NWFP and Baluchistan.Being a Punjabi, Sindhi, Pakhtun or Baluchi was no longer considered to be in opposition to a Pakistani
national identity. Analougous to the two nations theory, one could coin this ideology the threefold identity theory as it brings togather the attachment to the three communities of "umma, millat,and qaum" into one national identity.

A more commonly used term for the same phenomenon was "nationality theory" which according to Eqbal Ahmed in Pakistani context, arguing that the place of the provinces in Pakistan was similar to the nationalities in the Soviet Union. The Nationality Theory also enabled one to see Mohajirs as a flawed and in-between category, a people with neither history nor a sense of territorial attachment, urban, on the move and unreliable. Interestingly, I found
an example of this idea of the uprooted Mohajir in Benazir Bhutto's autobiography donated to me by a mamu. When BB is confronted with a marriage proposal from the family of Asif
Zardari she ponders over his credentials, listing as one of his positive points that

" He is from Sindh, so he knows out customs and counrtesies. He's not a rootless phenomenon like
the urban professional people who can pack their bags and go anywhere. He's a rural, with commitments to hsi family and tribe" (Bhutto 1988:354)." without a sense of lotalty is, of course the Mohajir the urban migrant. The new state ideology was put into practice in several ways, such as the introduction of Sindhi as the provincial langauge. A "quota system" regulating access to government jobs and educational institutions on the basis of ethnicity was implemented. In Sindh, this reservations on the basis of ethnicity was implemented. In Sindh, this reservation program distinguished between Sindhis and Mohajirs. More-over, Mohajirs like other groups who did not identify as
Punjabis, Sindhis, Pakhtoons or Balochis were asked to assimilate. They were expected to learn Sindhi and prove their loyalty to Sindh -it's language, culture and history. This ofcourse deemed the way for Mohajirs to question the PPP's commitment to the Pakistani ideal of Muslim
fraternity and to argue that Mohajirs had made sacrifices for Pakistan, not Sindh and that they had come to Pakistan to live in dignity as first-class citizens and never to bow for despot again, be it a Brahman or a Sindhi landlord. Yet the reaction, culminating in the emergence of the MQM, was much more complex than a plain rejection of the nationality
theory.