History and Origins of MQM Part II

#20

See where you are going? Not really. Unless you were explaining the meaning of "democracy" to bubba.

#16 Posted by cliftonbridge on October 17, 2008 8:57:02 am


2. Pakistanis have been plagued with shit leadership


1. You go to a restaurant..you order a sandwich..turns out to be a crap sandwich.
2. you're in prison and your only option is a crap sandwich..

either way, you ate a crap sandwich...but one of the two scenarios is always better...see where i'm going with this?

Bubba democracy means you count people votes. Governance means you provide people with protection from thugs who intimidate them.

Pakistan has shit governance that goes without saying. Does that mean they shouldnt have democracy ?

BTW im sure your opposition to mqm has nothing to do with your prejudice against urdu speaking people as evident by your ignorant posts.

Re: # 2

what confusing thoughts? urdu speakers are all over local american mosques to show themselves as holier than thou. urdu speakers can be generalized into two segments, one who are regular masjid goers (maybe there are some JI elements there) and those who do not. But, both use the mosque as a fort to work from.

My friend,

you are wrong in this thinking {The fact that MQM with their wanton ways has such a resounding mandate says alot for the paucity of other reasonable options.}

resounding mandate? when the opposition remain intimidated to voice dissent? being a paki, of course, you have no knowledge of what dissent means, now. do you?

mafias and thugs do not need mandates, now, do they? mqm is an organization of thugs and gangsters? are they not?

1. Though you omitted referencs to MQM 's disturbing violence you did a great job presenting the mainstream karachi view of the MQMs rise. To anyone who cares to understand its a good explaination for the overwhelming mandate they have.

2. Pakistanis have been plagued with shit leadership and at least the older generation was also pathetically racist to boot. The misfortunes of Karachi are a reflection of the diverse history, lawlessness, turbulance, violence and intolerance of Pakistani society. However the fact that it has survived and even thrived says alot for the resilience of this crucial melting pot. The fact that MQM with their wanton ways has such a resounding mandate says alot for the paucity of other reasonable options.

3.What we need is a lasting MQM-PPP Aliance in Sind. Mainstreaming the MQM will make them more responsible and less insular. It will also make Karachi and therefore Sind/Pakistan more productive. We can not afford another decade like the 90's specially not now.

Re: # 14
Majumder...
Sunil Mittal is Marwari and Sam Pitroda is Gujju...
Yes Advani, Adani, Jethmalani etc... are Sindhis. You can not associate with any region of current day India (like mohajirs)....
My point was, though BD "Hindus" are dominating West Bengal in almost all areas, there is no such problem in W Bengal now. Mind that the number of BD "Hindus" migrated is much higher in number than Punjabi or Sindhi migration.....

Nkg moshai,

Actually the Hindoo/Sikh immigrants from West Pak have also done very well, contributed lots. Half of Bollywood, LK Advani, Ram Jethmalani, Manmohan Singh, Sunil Mittal (I think???), Sam Pitroda, HG Khorana to name a few.

Regards

Ali...
One nice solution...
why don't you mohajirs induct more and more mohajirs from India- specialy from UP and Bihar? Masadi and couple of other Pakis lost their sleep due to the poor condition of moslems in UP and Bihar...Take more Bihari and UP moslems, and use them for wealth creation...that will help you win number game also....

Re: # 4
Majumder...
Karachi is Pakistani counter part of Mumbai, except elites and urdooooo movie industry....
What this fellow is claiming, Siv Sena also calims same about Mumbai...in terms of actual wealth creation, it should not be that much.....


Mr. Ali....
The same story for Bengalis in India. East Pakistan got rid of Bengalis, but that included the cream of their society. Still now these migrants are dominating in most sphere of life in India (including latest Nobel Lauriet from India Amartya Sen).....

doosri baat , Pakistan aik Zariee mulk hey, or Textile ki industry is ka main source or income hey, humaan naheen andaza , ya youn keh leen keh sar dast humaray paas inki koi figure naheen , magar suna hey 65-70% kamai yahan hi say hooti hey

waisay Sialkot, Gujrarnwala, Wazirabad, Faisalabad, Lahore, Peshawar [ Matchis bananay kay karkhanay ] Gujrat waghaira waghaira wooh sheher heen , jehan say EXPORT hooti hey, haan Karachi Bandergah hoonay ki wajah say apni aik munfarid or mustehqam haisiyat rekhata hey , magar yeh tamam sheher Sindh meeen naheen.

Kaheen aisaa to naheen, Bank ka Cashier , Pooray Bank ki doulat ka dawydaar ban reha hoo....??

Re: # 7

janab-e-man , yeh figures aap ko kahan say mileen....??


humarai naqis talash humeen

http://www.sbp.org.pk/reports/annual/arfy07/annex_index.htm


jahan say hum bey public finance ki yeh file download ki


http://www.sbp.org.pk/reports/annual/arfy07/Stats/Chap4.pdf


or iskay adad-o-shumar kay mutabik


4.4 Consolidated Provincial Receipts and Expenditures

........................................FY07.... FY08
I. Total Revenue Receipts ....... 542.5... 657.2 heen


in meen soobon ka hissa

4.5 Provincial Receipts and Expenditures

...............FY07..... FY08
Punjab ....... 276.3...... 356.2
Sindh ....... 157.2...... 176.6
NWFP ....... 66.1....... 80.6
Balochistan.... 42.9....... 43.8


Dikhaya geyaa hey ....


Hum nay ismeen say cheeda cheeda iqtabasat bayan kiyee heen

iska table 4.1 Federal Government Revenue Receipts ki poori tafseel deyta hey.

taman yani direct taxes kitney heen, indirect kitney,welfare , wealth, capital value, waghaira waghaira , tamam source per kitney jama huwya .

wooh tamam table bohot lambay heen, so sirf us hissay say jahan Provancial Recipts Province vice theen yeh wahan say liyee heen hum ney.



Hum kehna to naheen chahtey per yeh humara mushahida hey, keh yeh wooh qoum hey joo apnay aap ko dhooka deytee hey, or uskay liyee apnay aap say jhoot boltee hey.

mr.ali chishti,
as its quoted by you that,
"In 1969, he turned reigns over to the only second Shiite after Liaquat to lead Pakistan, General Yahya Khan."
can you explain who liaquat you were refered to as shiite?you might have mistakenly quoted liaquat as a shiite or something, bcoz as far as i know he was not.
regards.

Mohajir nationalist movement as primarily a popular movement aka "street nationalism". Although the MQM origininated in a student organization established on university andcollege campuses, it was forced to leave educational institutions and began campaigning in the streets. MQM is also credited to ridicule and mock cultural and Islamic modernist values.In this place it started a new democratic movement in South Asia.

Pakistan is a peculiar case of ethononationalism. Rather than a state, the Pakistan nation is rooted in refashioned primordial attachments or in the worlds of Clifford Geertz "assumed givens" of social existence. Pakistan was never meant to be an "unambiguous" project. MAJ on 11 August 1947 called for equality and secularism - something MQM has had fought for over the last 20-25 years of her existence.

MQM also came up because of the authoritarian modernization of the state leading to a reformulation of the Pakistani nation longer opposed to ethnic loyalty. This was
"unfavorable" to Mohajirs, who were not recognized as a separate ethnic group on par with Punjabis, Sindhis, Pakhtoons and Balochis. In reaction to this, however, MQM did not oppose this new definition of the nation but adopted it by proclaiming Mohajirs an ethnic group of it's own. Moreover, it did so by appropriating the Sindhi nationalist passions of rebellion against the center.

@Majumdar,

1997-98 % 1998-99 % 2000-2001 %
Sindh 169 b 67.5%, 171 b 68.2b & 189.461 67.7%
Punjab 57.63 23% 65.32 24.5 77.912 26.21
NWFP 16.746 6.7% 21.602 8.1 22.046 7.42
Baloch 7.134 2.8% 8.323 3.1 7.800 2.62
(Source: Combined Finance and Revenue Accounts, Government of Pakistan)

Sindh’s share in taxes (2007-8)
Direct Taxes 67.75%
In come Tax 86.40 (86.40% of the Income Tax)
Wealth Tax 66.21
Capital gain Tax 32.60
Workers Welfare Fund 45.53
Indirect Taxes 68.32%
Customs 83.75%
Sales Tax 69.10%
Federal Excise duty 39.40
(Source: Planning and Development Department GOS)

Sindh’s share in natural Resources % of total in Pakistan

Gas 48%
Electricity 39%
Petrol 69%
Coal 84%

Tahmed sahib,

Apart from the erroneous conclusions on revenues, I dont see anything bigoted or racists in what the author has written.

Regards