Are the Converted Tribals Really Hindu?
Murad A Baig October 16, 2008
#322 Posted by nkg on October 20, 2008 9:10:07 pm
Re: # 264
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masadi almost retired after trying hopelessly defending 7th century arab beduinism...only you are left....some element of fun should be left in the forum...
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#321 Posted by muradbaig on October 20, 2008 9:07:00 pm
Re: # 2
Im not a semetist but a deist who believes in a great cosmic spirit and one who hates the religions created by bigoted priests.
Im not a semetist but a deist who believes in a great cosmic spirit and one who hates the religions created by bigoted priests.
#320 Posted by muradbaig on October 20, 2008 9:04:42 pm
Sorry I was in the mountains so I could not reply earlier.
I absolutely agree with Mohar11 that the original faiths are one thing but that all compulsions in religion are deplorable.
No Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, Nanak or other spiritual leader ever had any religion. Religions developed many centuries later when apostles and scholars wrote the scriptures attributed to them that the armies of professional priests concretised into dogma. They then made the masses superstitious by making them believe that any `deviation from their path' would result in pain or suffering.
All the founders loved all humanity while the professional priests spread fear and hatred to those of other persuasions. Religion has seperated Man from God
I absolutely agree with Mohar11 that the original faiths are one thing but that all compulsions in religion are deplorable.
No Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, Nanak or other spiritual leader ever had any religion. Religions developed many centuries later when apostles and scholars wrote the scriptures attributed to them that the armies of professional priests concretised into dogma. They then made the masses superstitious by making them believe that any `deviation from their path' would result in pain or suffering.
All the founders loved all humanity while the professional priests spread fear and hatred to those of other persuasions. Religion has seperated Man from God
#319 Posted by laddu on October 20, 2008 8:45:24 pm
Re: # 318
"...But only Islam is ascribed to be responsible for ghazni ghoure aurangzeb .."
Miyah, kaunsi duniya mein rehte ho??
All these considered violent Jehad against hindu idolators as their national duty and kept on commiting genocides against my fore fathers in the name of Islam.
They were BAD because Islam allows them to be BAD!!
The problem here is NOT muslims - but ISLAM.
Muslims are just victims of Islam- they are poor brainwashed and terrorized victims of that book of threats that does not let them sleep peacefully in their life time.
"...But only Islam is ascribed to be responsible for ghazni ghoure aurangzeb .."
Miyah, kaunsi duniya mein rehte ho??
All these considered violent Jehad against hindu idolators as their national duty and kept on commiting genocides against my fore fathers in the name of Islam.
They were BAD because Islam allows them to be BAD!!
The problem here is NOT muslims - but ISLAM.
Muslims are just victims of Islam- they are poor brainwashed and terrorized victims of that book of threats that does not let them sleep peacefully in their life time.
#318 Posted by Mystic on October 20, 2008 7:00:25 pm
Re: # 313
D.M. sb
Exactly the point .The political islam is substituted for half baked knowledge of islam preached by mohommed .If for instence i say if in danger of your life 'kill the opponent ' its one thing but if u just pick the phrase 'kil them; you label barabarian war mongerer .
There lot of wars invasion fought won lost by all. But only Islam is ascribed to be responsible for ghazni ghoure aurangzeb even if they thaught of them as muslims doe not necessarily make them muslim for god alone knows.Why isnt christ cayse of Crusade or spanish inquisition or Hinduism for Kalinga or Israelis occupation aas judeaism which ppl seprate it by interposing zionism .is this suave p.c. semantic like 'premptive attack 'colateral damage 'civilian combantant' .you see its only demonising 'words entymology 'against than anything else
D.M. sb
Exactly the point .The political islam is substituted for half baked knowledge of islam preached by mohommed .If for instence i say if in danger of your life 'kill the opponent ' its one thing but if u just pick the phrase 'kil them; you label barabarian war mongerer .
There lot of wars invasion fought won lost by all. But only Islam is ascribed to be responsible for ghazni ghoure aurangzeb even if they thaught of them as muslims doe not necessarily make them muslim for god alone knows.Why isnt christ cayse of Crusade or spanish inquisition or Hinduism for Kalinga or Israelis occupation aas judeaism which ppl seprate it by interposing zionism .is this suave p.c. semantic like 'premptive attack 'colateral damage 'civilian combantant' .you see its only demonising 'words entymology 'against than anything else
#317 Posted by Senna on October 20, 2008 6:46:25 pm
Re: # 315
Harsmi
O.K. o.k.
what do u say to this while talking to u r daughter ....
Addressing Shakuntala, Dushmanta said:
"Women generally speak untruth" The Mahabharata Adi Parva, Section LXXIV
Harsmi
O.K. o.k.
what do u say to this while talking to u r daughter ....
Addressing Shakuntala, Dushmanta said:
"Women generally speak untruth" The Mahabharata Adi Parva, Section LXXIV
#316 Posted by tahmed32 on October 20, 2008 6:43:17 pm
rabiawasti #312 I hope #311 just providing a link is not an answer to anything. if you have a view on anything, just spell it out.
#315 Posted by harimau on October 20, 2008 5:19:47 pm
Ref bull #279
[...quran is a very compact and simple book for any tom, dick and harry to read and interpret....this is how it does away with the clergy......]
Ok, ok, ok!
We got your point.
Now interpret "Kill the kaffirs" from the Quran for us.
Three simple words. Tell us the meaning.
As you yourself had said, the Quran by itself is complete.
So, no need to consider context, historical or otherwise.
Do you think it means "Have a nice day"?
[...quran is a very compact and simple book for any tom, dick and harry to read and interpret....this is how it does away with the clergy......]
Ok, ok, ok!
We got your point.
Now interpret "Kill the kaffirs" from the Quran for us.
Three simple words. Tell us the meaning.
As you yourself had said, the Quran by itself is complete.
So, no need to consider context, historical or otherwise.
Do you think it means "Have a nice day"?
#314 Posted by harimau on October 20, 2008 5:01:15 pm
Ref shameless-mullah32 #276
[But rest assured, i leave shameless lying to my betters on chowk.]
Saudi Arabia searches the luggage of incoming travelers and confiscates all Bibles and pictures of Hindu gods.
In Pakistan, a climate has been created whereby all it takes is for a streetside vendor to wrap some peanuts in a Urdu newspaper but for the customer to claim that the vendor was insulting the Quran by using it to wrap up the peanuts and the vendor gets thrown in jail for blasphemy.
And a person who said that Prophet Mohammed did not shave his armpits was found guilty of blasphemy and sentenced to death. If newspaper reports are to be believed, he was shot dead inside the prison where he was held by a fellow prisoner using a gun smuggled into the prison.
He wants us to believe that the RETALIATORY killing of Christians for the murder of a Hindu holy man in Orissa is proof of India's lower tolerance for diversity compared to Pakistan's.
Wait till he trots out the RETALIATORY Gujarat riots that started AFTER the Mozzies torched a train carrying Hindu pilgrims.
Of course he claims that he does not lie.
Bull-Yeah!
[But rest assured, i leave shameless lying to my betters on chowk.]
Saudi Arabia searches the luggage of incoming travelers and confiscates all Bibles and pictures of Hindu gods.
In Pakistan, a climate has been created whereby all it takes is for a streetside vendor to wrap some peanuts in a Urdu newspaper but for the customer to claim that the vendor was insulting the Quran by using it to wrap up the peanuts and the vendor gets thrown in jail for blasphemy.
And a person who said that Prophet Mohammed did not shave his armpits was found guilty of blasphemy and sentenced to death. If newspaper reports are to be believed, he was shot dead inside the prison where he was held by a fellow prisoner using a gun smuggled into the prison.
He wants us to believe that the RETALIATORY killing of Christians for the murder of a Hindu holy man in Orissa is proof of India's lower tolerance for diversity compared to Pakistan's.
Wait till he trots out the RETALIATORY Gujarat riots that started AFTER the Mozzies torched a train carrying Hindu pilgrims.
Of course he claims that he does not lie.
Bull-Yeah!
#313 Posted by dost_mittar on October 20, 2008 4:10:32 pm
Senna:
"Then why the crusade.. why spanish inquisition why some yahod/christian oppose muslims if same same ?"
These were battles between political Islam and political Christianity; now you also have fights involving political hindutva.
"Then why the crusade.. why spanish inquisition why some yahod/christian oppose muslims if same same ?"
These were battles between political Islam and political Christianity; now you also have fights involving political hindutva.
#312 Posted by rabiawsti on October 20, 2008 4:06:00 pm
tahmed32: I wasn't trying to say that you have an islamist agenda. I was just replying to your post #239.
#311 Posted by tahmed32 on October 20, 2008 3:14:05 pm
rabia: i read that link, which i see was simply to the section on shariah courts. you dont need to go through all this trouble to make me confess that there are indeed shariah courts in pakistan - since contrary to hamidm's fears, i dont have a hidden agenda of turning the world into an islamic state with myself as the caliph duly assisted by a vast harem of concubines.
While no doubt we have this mischief of sharia courts introduced by zia - but my earlier point remains valid, these are an appendage, not the main body, of the judicial system in Pakistan. That system, thanks to brave judges and lawyers, remains free from mullahism and where these jurists dont harp on religious differences (and so we had a christian as a highly respected chief justice, and a hindu as acting chief justice).
While no doubt we have this mischief of sharia courts introduced by zia - but my earlier point remains valid, these are an appendage, not the main body, of the judicial system in Pakistan. That system, thanks to brave judges and lawyers, remains free from mullahism and where these jurists dont harp on religious differences (and so we had a christian as a highly respected chief justice, and a hindu as acting chief justice).
#310 Posted by tahmed32 on October 20, 2008 3:06:14 pm
hamidm #292 so you think i am deliberately trying to obfuscate. while i realize the future of islam hangs on balance depending on where you park your retirement funds, i can only repeat what i said earlier about not giving a crap about where you wish to invest.
but dont let this stop you from rattling on as if i have a need to mislead you on anything.
but dont let this stop you from rattling on as if i have a need to mislead you on anything.
#309 Posted by ajeya on October 20, 2008 2:48:49 pm
#290 Kaalchakra
[That tendency has been kept in check somewhat because one could always go back to the Prophet Muhammad as the gold standard.]
"gold standard"!! Ha ha ha ha ha....This nearly killed me.
Talk about the Islamist's dilemma!!! Ha ha ha....
[That tendency has been kept in check somewhat because one could always go back to the Prophet Muhammad as the gold standard.]
"gold standard"!! Ha ha ha ha ha....This nearly killed me.
Talk about the Islamist's dilemma!!! Ha ha ha....
#308 Posted by Senna on October 20, 2008 2:46:27 pm
Re: # 306
But you dont get it
Some are saying 'go ahead'if thats what u want
But you dont get it
Some are saying 'go ahead'if thats what u want
#307 Posted by Senna on October 20, 2008 2:46:27 pm
Re: # 306
But you dont get it
Some are saying 'go ahead'if thats what u want
But you dont get it
Some are saying 'go ahead'if thats what u want
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