Shoaib Daniyal October 24, 2008
#1 Posted by Kedar_sathe on October 25, 2008 7:28:54 pm
Shoaib, it was a good read. You have good observation power. It was well written and droll too.
#2 Posted by laddu on October 25, 2008 11:01:10 pm
I went to the dargah last year after a long time and found that it has been defiled by the dirty and najis. They have turned that place into a butcher land with horrible smell of rotting flesh and stench which no amount of itr from shops could hide.
given a chance I would relocate the ghetto that has cropped wildly away from the dargah.
Even the dargah is so badly maintained and found it to be very depressing - there was no elevating thought and this shows that the place has been defiled by najis and impure people.
given a chance I would relocate the ghetto that has cropped wildly away from the dargah.
Even the dargah is so badly maintained and found it to be very depressing - there was no elevating thought and this shows that the place has been defiled by najis and impure people.
#3 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on October 26, 2008 12:22:03 am
@Laddu
Forgive my ignorance, but what are 'najis'?
Yes, the surrounding place is dirty, no doubt, but I found the dargah fairly well maintained. This is, of course, my first visit to this dargah so maybe it was a lot better maintained earlier.
Forgive my ignorance, but what are 'najis'?
Yes, the surrounding place is dirty, no doubt, but I found the dargah fairly well maintained. This is, of course, my first visit to this dargah so maybe it was a lot better maintained earlier.
#5 Posted by laddu on October 26, 2008 2:23:13 am
Re: # 3
In Islamic law, najis (Arabic: نجس) are things or persons regarded as ritually unclean. According to Shi'a Islam, there are two kinds of najis: the essential najis which can not be cleaned and the unessential najis which become najis while in contact with another najis.
Contact with najis things brings a Muslim into a state of ritual impurity (najasat), which requires undergoing purification before performing religious duties, such as regular prayers.
In Islamic law, najis (Arabic: نجس) are things or persons regarded as ritually unclean. According to Shi'a Islam, there are two kinds of najis: the essential najis which can not be cleaned and the unessential najis which become najis while in contact with another najis.
Contact with najis things brings a Muslim into a state of ritual impurity (najasat), which requires undergoing purification before performing religious duties, such as regular prayers.
#6 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on October 26, 2008 5:05:19 am
Thanks for that laddu (and wikipedia :P).
And what is exactly that was najis there?
Dead animals? if killed in the correct way, dead animals aren't najis, unless they are pigs and stuff.
And what is exactly that was najis there?
Dead animals? if killed in the correct way, dead animals aren't najis, unless they are pigs and stuff.
#7 Posted by drlokraj on October 26, 2008 6:09:09 am
good read with nice fluency but it is very short for a travelogue and ends abruptly.
#8 Posted by dost_mittar on October 26, 2008 7:03:38 pm
shoaib:
If someone is less religious and more spiritual, he would probably enjoy Thursday qawaalis there more. Also, there is Ghalib's tomb in the same 'campus'. And Karim's too.
If someone is less religious and more spiritual, he would probably enjoy Thursday qawaalis there more. Also, there is Ghalib's tomb in the same 'campus'. And Karim's too.
#9 Posted by laddu on October 26, 2008 10:21:22 pm
Re: # 6
Rotting flesh is impure on every account - even if the animal is killed the halal way.
Then dirtiness that prevails over the place and the stench from numerous chai walas and kabab shops certainly contributes to the dirtiness of that place.
Then the dirtiness of people with filthy minds who are all the time looking to make a quick buck out of miseries of poor and helpless people who come to the mazar to get rid of their miseries and woes.
That is the real impurity - the people inhabiting and controlling the land around the dargah are the real najis who do not care about any thing but their own greed..
Rotting flesh is impure on every account - even if the animal is killed the halal way.
Then dirtiness that prevails over the place and the stench from numerous chai walas and kabab shops certainly contributes to the dirtiness of that place.
Then the dirtiness of people with filthy minds who are all the time looking to make a quick buck out of miseries of poor and helpless people who come to the mazar to get rid of their miseries and woes.
That is the real impurity - the people inhabiting and controlling the land around the dargah are the real najis who do not care about any thing but their own greed..
#10 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on October 27, 2008 2:52:41 am
Thanks, Dr. Lokraj
Abotu the lenght, I didn't mean for it to be a travelogue, really.
I first posted this on a blog :
Abotu the lenght, I didn't mean for it to be a travelogue, really.
I first posted this on a blog :
#11 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on October 27, 2008 2:57:13 am
Dost,
Yes, I missed out on that, but I do intend to go and watch it.
But for that I'll have to wait for a holiday on a Thursday!
And your right about Ghalib's tomb being there. In fact I've put up a pic of it ona blog :
thetimesofbullshit[.]blogspot[.]com (remove brackets to get the url)
And I dont think Karim's is on the same campus. Karim's is very close to the Jama Masjid.
Yes, I missed out on that, but I do intend to go and watch it.
But for that I'll have to wait for a holiday on a Thursday!
And your right about Ghalib's tomb being there. In fact I've put up a pic of it ona blog :
thetimesofbullshit[.]blogspot[.]com (remove brackets to get the url)
And I dont think Karim's is on the same campus. Karim's is very close to the Jama Masjid.
#12 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on October 27, 2008 3:00:08 am
Laddu,
Firstly I'd disagree with you about the kabab shops. That'd take away from the charm of the place.
Abotu the second point, I being new to Delhi, wouldn't know too much abotu it, but are you talking abotu the trustees of the dargah?
Firstly I'd disagree with you about the kabab shops. That'd take away from the charm of the place.
Abotu the second point, I being new to Delhi, wouldn't know too much abotu it, but are you talking abotu the trustees of the dargah?
#13 Posted by majumdar on October 27, 2008 3:22:42 am
Shoaib,
There is a Karim in Nizamuddin too. The original of course is in Jama Masjid area. Apparently, the Nizamuddin Karim's is not particularly great so I am told.
Regards
There is a Karim in Nizamuddin too. The original of course is in Jama Masjid area. Apparently, the Nizamuddin Karim's is not particularly great so I am told.
Regards
#14 Posted by laddu on October 27, 2008 3:47:41 am
Re: # 12
Shoaib bhai,
I lived in Janpura adjacent to Nizammudin for a long period of time and it used to be much cleaner in those days in 1970-s , but that was only after 1980-s the mullahs and Afghanis started turning it into a ghetto complete with smugglers, theives, pimps and other subversive agents.
Shoaib bhai,
I lived in Janpura adjacent to Nizammudin for a long period of time and it used to be much cleaner in those days in 1970-s , but that was only after 1980-s the mullahs and Afghanis started turning it into a ghetto complete with smugglers, theives, pimps and other subversive agents.
#15 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on October 27, 2008 1:15:28 pm
Majumdar,
Ah, that way. Actually the gurgaon-where I live-Karims isn't that bad.
But I must say the Karims Biryani sucks, although theri burra kawab and qalia, I think, was quite brilliant.
I'd rate Shiraz, Zeeshan, Royal etc, from Calcutta as much better Biryani joints even if they haven't served the goddamn mughals!
Ah, that way. Actually the gurgaon-where I live-Karims isn't that bad.
But I must say the Karims Biryani sucks, although theri burra kawab and qalia, I think, was quite brilliant.
I'd rate Shiraz, Zeeshan, Royal etc, from Calcutta as much better Biryani joints even if they haven't served the goddamn mughals!
#16 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on October 27, 2008 1:18:38 pm
laddu,
If that is so, it is quite terrible.
I'd say the area has seen quite an influx of Bengalis(Bangladeshis?). Bengali could be quite easily heard, maybe even more than Hindusthani!
If that is so, it is quite terrible.
I'd say the area has seen quite an influx of Bengalis(Bangladeshis?). Bengali could be quite easily heard, maybe even more than Hindusthani!
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