Ridiculing Religion or Religion of Ridicule

Islam does NOT forbid or discourage one to think or ask about after-life, in fact, it explains it very well!

A certain interacter has expressed useless doubts and gone off on a tangent about religion and after-life.

Regards.

Seeing that most of the people on chowk are highly Literate; highly qualified

Here is something, I would request, all of us do:


(a) Those who are religious: for 4 weeks suspend all belief, and follow the die (options should not be based on your or some other or any religion)(as in Luke Rhinehart) or just follow life without religious rules/strictures/etc

(b) Those who are not religious: Do as (a) but options based on a religious belief.


(okay forget the die - just follow a theist or an atheiist life)

During these four weeks - tabulate/dairy your experience

How much difference has this change made to your life?


Personally - I would be surprised if there really is any change in yor life. Religion does not make any difference to your life. god doesnot make any difference to your life. god is always living in la-la land.

But I would love to hear from you guys after the 4 weeks.


reference:

(a)http://www.lukerhinehart.net/
(b)http://en.wikiped ia.org/wiki/Luke_Rhinehart
(c)Book of die ISBN 1-58567-237-8 - April 2002

Religion principally stops us from asking questions about other life!!

Re: # 60

"So basically we believe in religon becuase it gives us made up answers to questions science cannot honestly answer!"

Daniyal , it is more than that. Religions threaten us to accept these answers. We "accept" thee answers because we are silenced through its threats. We are forced into silence by the terror of the after world torture chambers if we do not accept these answers.

Religion principally stops us from asking questions about other life!!

This is the real truth- we are too terrorized to question those ready-made gobble dock stories that are given to us as answers.

It's all about questioning what is already established and has gone without questioning for most of it's existence. People used to stoned, evicted, imprisoned for talking religulous, they still do but the civilized world has put those days behind. The idea behind documentaries like religulous is as old as religion itself. It would seem even more ridiculous to make any more fun of the already ridiculed religious fundamentals. I will leave it to the curious.

Most slightly religious people hang on to the tales on the bases of what they call morality. Here is Einstein take on the issue:
"A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

Thumbs up to Bill, real time!

PS. Quin, Bill Maher is the host of HBO's 'Real Time with Bill Maher' and it has recently been showing on Comedy Central as well.

Here is another one I like, "If you talk to God, you are praying. If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia."

Re#11 @ Bulleya said:

//the western world is moving away from religion (other than usa).....religion is out of public life in europe.....hardly anyone goes to church......a poll in uk found that some % (30%) thought beckham had more influence on their lives than God//

But isn't that a brilliant thing? At least Beckham is real. Not a figment of someones imagination.



//at least not until athiesm can provide a complete counter to religion and answer some of its most difficult question, i.e. what happens after death......what is the meaning of life and why were we created......science, at the moment, cannot answer that, and due to certain scientific laws, it will probably never be able to answer these questions......it is, even, finding it impossible to answer how we were created (in detail at the cellular levels), much less why.......//

So basically we believe in religon becuase it gives us made up answers to questions science cannot honestly answer!

My man, you have gone back to the genesis of religion. Can't understand what the Sun is? Make it a God; job done.

To use ignorance as a reason for religion is farcicial but unfortunatley quite true.

Re: # 11

"i.e. what happens after death......what is the meaning of life and why were we created......"

If Islam can answer these questions with its gobbledock (to use Cheemaji's favourite term) and convince muslims then I would seriously question the common sense of that population!!

Hamid mian,

joe the plumber pays his bills - utilities, labor, parts and tips for the strippers at his brother-in-law's bachelor party ..... what hasn't he paid for ? ...

Well, he hasn't paid for the "daisy cutters" which keeps his land safe to begin with (as per your own admission). He hasn't paid for the police which keeps him from being mugged (like our friend Zeenaji was on several ocassions). He hasn't paid for the bailouts that are keeping your 401 K plans solid. Maybe a few I wud have missed.

Regards

hamidm: "why should joe pay 'income tax' ."

same reason he pays the gas station from his income.

". why should mccain pay more?"

because mccain's seven houses create seven times more external costs. and even if they didnt, because sane people agree (that leaves out Leona Helmsley and other hard-core republicans) that the rich are able to pay more than the poor.

#53 Marx-adi: Google "Marxist theory of development" and you will get 622,000 websites referring to it. And this is decades after even "marxist intellectuals" (who were the rage back in the 1960's, along with mini-skirts and tight pants) stopped taking Marxists theories seriously!! So stop pretending that there is no such thing. In fact, the Marxist theory of economic development used to be part of Marxism 101 when Marxism was taken seriously decades ago.

Have a nice day and take it easy,
TNI Masadi

hamid writes "but this income tax thing sounds like communism to me"

It is not communism you idiot, it involves the elite sharing the loot, first some get the surplus then they pay part of that surplus of the poor working class man in income tax, which the government recycles to other elite in payment for the debt it has taken out on behalf of the people, or uses it to feed the defense corporations by giving them useless contracts, and so this cycle of looting the public continues. Tahmed has no clue. His "external cost" BS explanation for income tax is just as absurd as his "Marxist" theory of development. McCain wants to supplement Obama's Muslim connection with a communist tone (two well developed enemies with stereotypes) so he and his dishonest campaign people are trying to link New Deal manipulations as if they were communism in the pure. No, they were watered down BS that were employed to salvage this miserable system from collapse...

Tahmed wrote "The only reason you havent heard of it is because your vast circle of knowledge does not encompass basic knowledge economic development!!"

Please learn to write proper English. I did not red flag your post, someone else did. According to Marxist "theory" the collapse of the capitalist system is inevitable so there is no " theory of development" as such that development economics would study. All those are contrived based on a basic misunderstanding of the Marxian dialectic. Get an education, as you can see all your development economics has done horse sh** to get the colonized countries to develop, it is obfuscation of the real issues, issues involving manipulations by the capitalists to prevent their inevitable demise, that is the only "development" that is their fate.

Have a nice day and don't try to compare your BS about Marxism to my genuine knowledge regarding it.

TNI Masadi

tahmed writes "Mr. Masadi: I look forward to an illuminating discussion with you on Marxism"

Ahmad sahib your statement "Marxist theory of development" told me that you know sh** about it. I don't have to read up on it I have peered inside the mind of Marx and I know how it thinks, you on the other hand base your BS on Fox News propaganda regarding Marxism, according to whom Obama is a Marxist who wrote your "Marxist theory of development".

Go figure....

Have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

Re: # 49

tahmed,

.... oh, you mean streets and bridges and killing terrorists and other stuff like that? ...... sure, joe should pay for that and so should mccain but they should pay the same amount ...... why should mccain pay more? ..... because he drives a big expensive suv? .... but he has already paid a larger 'consumption' tax on it and that, like i said is fair ..... why should joe pay 'income tax' ...... property tax is okay even though my schooltax is subsidizing bubba's children's education - i don't mind that because i don't want to penalize his kids for his sins ..... i might even throw in a few dollars for their health insurance, but this income tax thing sounds like communism to me .......

PS to #49: They chapters on External Costs in the Republican Bible were eaten by Urstruly's goat. That is why Joe the Plumber isnt aware of them.