Mutaal Mooquin October 28, 2008
#193 Posted by anil on November 2, 2008 7:38:55 pm
Masadi mia: I am glad that you corrected yourself. Now which scientific method will you use to "disprove"?
#192 Posted by pinku on November 2, 2008 7:35:51 pm
#184 Posted by quin on November 2
quin,
the following was written in bold (there was a bit more)..
this is what i said?
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So the "true value of religion" is already known to you without knowing the context of that true value. It is like you don't know what the thing is but you know its true value??
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Do you not understand what I am saying here?.....
I have said it so many times, in much longer statements.... a truth is always told with its context and it can not contradict any other truth.... further it is not like you will keep context blurred and will still be able to state truth clearly....
#191 Posted by tahmed32 on November 2, 2008 7:09:31 pm
Mr. Masadi: Have you gone into hiding in your khood??
#190 Posted by tahmed32 on November 2, 2008 7:08:36 pm
Mr. Masadi: Perhaps you should apply to President Zardari for a job as Vice President of Pakistan. This way he will get Dan Quayle AND Sarah Palin at the same time (for reasons explained in #189 and #186).
#189 Posted by tahmed32 on November 2, 2008 7:05:31 pm
#187 masadi: You say there no Marxist theory of economic development, and Dan Quayle used to potato has an "e" at the end.
This proves that you are the Dan Quayle of Pakistan. In addition to being the Sarah Palin of Pakistan.
This proves that you are the Dan Quayle of Pakistan. In addition to being the Sarah Palin of Pakistan.
#188 Posted by masadi on November 2, 2008 6:53:10 pm
Anil writes "What would you call above? Punctured ego. Einstein's position was completely OPPOSITE to what you write.."
You fool do you understand the meaning of "contended", i.e. didn't agree with. He could not believe the probabilistic (dice) nature of quantum mechanics as the true nature of the universe in his disagreement with that, and he was wrong. God does indeed play dice which leaves a lot of room for active intervention and free will, you certified idiot.
Have a nice day,
TNI Masadi
You fool do you understand the meaning of "contended", i.e. didn't agree with. He could not believe the probabilistic (dice) nature of quantum mechanics as the true nature of the universe in his disagreement with that, and he was wrong. God does indeed play dice which leaves a lot of room for active intervention and free will, you certified idiot.
Have a nice day,
TNI Masadi
#187 Posted by masadi on November 2, 2008 6:50:55 pm
Like Anil on his science proves and does not disprove BS, tahmed has been proven a similar ignoramus regarding Marx. There is no such thing as "Marxist theory of development", the google search he touted picked up "Marxist theory" but never once with "development in the same line as "Marxist theory of development" , always on another line as part of another thought! And this fool presents that as "proof". He does not know the abcs of Marx's dialectic in which there is no such thing as a "theory of development".
Have a nice day and keep it real,
TNI Masadi
Have a nice day and keep it real,
TNI Masadi
#186 Posted by tahmed32 on November 2, 2008 6:28:23 pm
Masadi #79 Your covering up your ignorance of Marxist theory with your usual rants make you ....drum roll...the Sarah Palin of Pakistan!!
Congratulations on your great achievement.
Congratulations on your great achievement.
#185 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 2, 2008 6:10:13 pm
Re: # 182 Mr. Quin ... I second you and only I am telling from almost year. But people redicule me. I was first to recognize even when he was angry person and urged him to moderate and to my surprise and horror of his ditractors he has moderated and controlled. Any way thanks for seconding me.Will you admit to my fore site ?
Thanks
Thanks
#184 Posted by quin on November 2, 2008 5:42:49 pm
Re: # 175 pinku,
Would you mind telling us what do you mean by 'context' and what do you mean by 'truth'.
You and me may be talking two different things here.
Nothing, repeat nothing, can be understood without context. That is how even words get their meaning in a language. Without a referential frame there is no language and there is no 'truth' either. Shakespearean 'Nothing comes out of nothing' in this context can be paraphrased to understand the above. And even in physics, things cannot be seen moving without a referential frame. Science, mathematics, logic, philosophy all build their structures on axiomatic referential frames.
For now ... won't be online for sometime ... all the best
Would you mind telling us what do you mean by 'context' and what do you mean by 'truth'.
You and me may be talking two different things here.
Nothing, repeat nothing, can be understood without context. That is how even words get their meaning in a language. Without a referential frame there is no language and there is no 'truth' either. Shakespearean 'Nothing comes out of nothing' in this context can be paraphrased to understand the above. And even in physics, things cannot be seen moving without a referential frame. Science, mathematics, logic, philosophy all build their structures on axiomatic referential frames.
For now ... won't be online for sometime ... all the best
#183 Posted by anil on November 2, 2008 5:37:40 pm
Re: # 179
"...That was Einstein's BS regarding science being not definite but probabilistic, something he contended..."
What would you call above? Punctured ego. Einstein's position was completely OPPOSITE to what you write. He insisted Science being definite, and not probabilistic as QM is based.
This is how you are convinced scientific methods "disprove".
Lage raho, Masadi mian.
"...That was Einstein's BS regarding science being not definite but probabilistic, something he contended..."
What would you call above? Punctured ego. Einstein's position was completely OPPOSITE to what you write. He insisted Science being definite, and not probabilistic as QM is based.
This is how you are convinced scientific methods "disprove".
Lage raho, Masadi mian.
#182 Posted by quin on November 2, 2008 5:33:47 pm
In appreciation of masadi,
First time I have seen masadi in action and read his interacts closely. I am impressed by breadth of his knowledge and perceptivity of his vision. I may not agree with everything he says but wide spectrum of his views is most interesting and transcends the usual limits of bookish knowledge. In other words, rather his knowledge of wide ranging material does not limit his originality as is wont with some. Keep it up masadi.
First time I have seen masadi in action and read his interacts closely. I am impressed by breadth of his knowledge and perceptivity of his vision. I may not agree with everything he says but wide spectrum of his views is most interesting and transcends the usual limits of bookish knowledge. In other words, rather his knowledge of wide ranging material does not limit his originality as is wont with some. Keep it up masadi.
#181 Posted by masadi on November 2, 2008 5:29:53 pm
SC writes "If we allow such barbarity and stupidity to be practiced in the name of our religion, we should be prepared to be laughed at..."
I don't think it is a laughing matter, it is a serious matter that should be dealt with. Laughing at US barbarism in Iraq a much higher level barbarism in the name of democracy and freedom can similarly be "laughed" at but will that laughing do anything to uncover the underlying causes towards seeking a solution. Bill Maher is an a-hole ignoramus who thinks he is smart but is a downright dimwit. He would still laugh at religion even if all these things you talk about didn't exist because he is himself a fundamentalist...
Have a nice day and take it easy,
TNI Masadi
I don't think it is a laughing matter, it is a serious matter that should be dealt with. Laughing at US barbarism in Iraq a much higher level barbarism in the name of democracy and freedom can similarly be "laughed" at but will that laughing do anything to uncover the underlying causes towards seeking a solution. Bill Maher is an a-hole ignoramus who thinks he is smart but is a downright dimwit. He would still laugh at religion even if all these things you talk about didn't exist because he is himself a fundamentalist...
Have a nice day and take it easy,
TNI Masadi
#180 Posted by masadi on November 2, 2008 4:51:52 pm
gotta go, for Anil who still wants to argue, after having been proven an ignoramus....go climb a goddamned pole...
Have a nice day and take it easy,
TNI Masadi
Have a nice day and take it easy,
TNI Masadi
#179 Posted by masadi on November 2, 2008 4:50:49 pm
That was Einstein's BS regarding science being not definite but probabilistic, something he contended...
Btw there is a lot of +ve proof for God. I on the other hand never say that since you cannot disprove God you have to accept him, that is Anil's straw man again. I say through those arguments that since the alternatives are disproven therefore God, which is the method of falsification of course. The only alternative that works, that of the multiverse is so absurd given the scientific method that anything even the most absurd human tale is more believable scientifically than it because it takes things to the infinity where anything goes....
Have a nice day and take it easy,
TNI Masadi
#178 Posted by masadi on November 2, 2008 4:45:53 pm
Anil writes "God does not play dice"
That was Einstein's BS regarding science being not definite but probabilistic. It is an undisputed fact that science progresses through falsification but this ignoramus will cling to falsehood doing all kinds of monkey tricks to prove himself right but anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of science will laugh himself crazy reading his BS. Rabia, you can reason with a tree but you can't reason with blind dimwits like Anil....
Have a nice day and take it easy,
TNI Masadi
That was Einstein's BS regarding science being not definite but probabilistic. It is an undisputed fact that science progresses through falsification but this ignoramus will cling to falsehood doing all kinds of monkey tricks to prove himself right but anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of science will laugh himself crazy reading his BS. Rabia, you can reason with a tree but you can't reason with blind dimwits like Anil....
Have a nice day and take it easy,
TNI Masadi
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