Ridiculing Religion or Religion of Ridicule

Re: # 127 Masadi:The taken for granted world isn't "enough proof". Surely greater proof exists to prove that God(as compared to bekham) is real

Ha ha! Yes, after all I've seen God on TV every night for the past 6 years playing in the premiership.

Sigh!

Seriously, Masadi, list three signs, scientific signs, mind you, (seizures don't count) of God's existence.

And always remember the theory of replication of a scientific experiment.

Best of luck.

Cheers,
Shoaib

$155
anil, you are confusing mathemetical proofs with the scientific method. Look, here's the important part from the wiki page about the scientific method that you posted:

4. Test : Look for the opposite of each consequence in order to disprove 2. It is a logical error to seek 3 directly as proof of 2. This error is called affirming the consequent.

This model underlies the scientific revolution. One thousand years ago, Alhazen demonstrated the importance of steps 1 and 4. Galileo (1638) also showed the importance of step 4 (also called Experiment) in Two New Sciences. One possible sequence in this model would be 1, 2, 3, 4. If the outcome of 4 holds, and 3 is not yet disproven, you may continue with 3, 4, 1, and so forth; but if the outcome of 4 shows 3 to be false, you will have go back to 2 and try to invent a new 2, deduce a new 3, look for 4, and so forth.

Note that this method can never absolutely verify (prove the truth of) 2. It can only falsify 2.[7] (This is what Einstein meant when he said "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."

Re: # 157 Khala jan 99,

Interesting comments there about Mr. Asadi.

"Fact : Masadi was kicked out of US."
For committing what crime against insanity, if I may ask?

"Fact: Masadi begged for an extension but was denied on merit."
Why was he denied; state one more fact please!

"Fact: Masadi was rejected by all mainline publishers."
This is called 'killing a book'; guess who runs the print and elctronic media there?

"Fact: Lulu.com agreed to publish Masadi papers, for a fee."
Is paying to get published a crime as well?

"Fact: All Pakistan colleges/schools refused to hire Masadi."
Because the donation-seeking elitist institutions received a signal from the mothership anchored across Atlantic?

"Fact: Chowk rejected six(or eight?) of Masadi articles."
He is not alone in being ignored or banned. ChowQ does what it does because it is not an angelic site!

"Fact: Masadi believes the rest of the world consists of "dimwits" who are peons of the West."
Once the stooges would admit who they really are, Asadi sahib would stop the name-calling.

"Fact: Mad mullahs like Masadi shall soon be eliminated."
Are you a hired assasin Khala jan 99?

Any more facts??

Re: # 157
Khala jan 99,

Interesting comments there about Mr. Asadi.

"Fact : Masadi was kicked out of US."
For what crime against insanity, if I may ask?

"Fact: Masadi begged for an extension but was denied on merit."
Why was he denied; state one more fact please!

"Fact: Masadi was rejected by all mainline publishers."
This is called 'killing a book'; guess who runs the print and elctronic media there?

"Fact: Lulu.com agreed to publish Masadi papers, for a fee."
Is paying to get published a crime as well?

"Fact: All Pakistan colleges/schools refused to hire Masadi."
Because the donation-seeking elitist institutions received a signal from the mothership anchored across Atlantic?

"Fact: Chowk rejected six(or eight?) of Masadi articles."
He is not alone in being ignored or banned. ChowQ does what it does because it has an agenda. It is not an angelic site!

"Fact: Masadi believes the rest of the world consists of "dimwits" who are peons of the West."
Once the stooges would admit who they really are, Asadi sahib would stop his name-calling.

"Fact: Mad mullahs like Masadi shall soon be eliminated."
Are you a hired assasin Khala jan 99?

Any more facts??

Masadi has not changed at all. He continues to remain the same "widely respected, deeply intellectual piece of sheer brilliance."

Masadi was terminated from some US university last year. The following facts have been presented on many occasions:

Fact : Masadi was kicked out of US.
Fact: Masadi begged for an extension but was denied on merit.
Fact: Masadi was rejected by all mainline publishers.
Fact: Lulu.com agreed to publish Masadi papers, for a fee.
Fact: All Pakistan colleges/schools refused to hire Masadi.
Fact: Chowk rejected six(or eight?) of Masadi articles.
Fact: Masadi believes the rest of the world consists of "dimwits" who are peons of the West.

Fact: Mad mullahs like Masadi shall soon be eliminated.

Mian Masadi, the more you "change" the more you remain the same. But you don't fool any Chowkies...

Mutaal Mooquin saab,

do you go by quin at iLogs?

Masadi sahib:

A lesson for you:

Below is a link that explains Scientific Methods, including the related logic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Logic.2C_mathematics.2C_metho dology

You will find that no where “disproving� is mentioned. It talks about “verification� (= proving).

Let me state one more time, scientific methods “prove� and do not “disprove�.

Disproving that you are confusing is corollary of what is proved. Corollary is reached through implication or association. Deductive (bottom up – facts to goal) and Inductive (top down – goals to facts) reasoning are others that also form the logic employed.

Take the simplest example, of single-bit of information in binary system (0’s and 1’s). A single-bit of information has only two degrees of freedom. Entire computing is based on it, I do not want to confuse you any further.

In this case you can “test� and prove the presence of 1 (or presence of 0), and through deduction and within two degrees of freedom (1 or 0) you deduce that this single bit of information is not 0 (or 1 in the alternative case).

This is the simplest example of proving that single-bit of information is a 1, and since there are 2 degrees of freedom and two possibilities 1 or 0. Therefore, when you combine these two “facts� or “truths� as they are called, you can deduce that this information is not 0, and thus you deduce / disprove that it is not 0.

The minute you add a one more degree of freedom and make it (1, 0, don’t know), you can longer “disprove� because you can deduce that it is 0. You must prove something more. This is Fuzzy Logic, an extension of binary logic.

Based on this foundation you can construct hypothesis and apply statistical or mathematical transformations to study. There are multivariate statistics and mathematical methods to deal with such situations. Bell Curve is hypothesized to be the normal distribution function in statistical methods from which all deviations etc. are studied.

Statistical methods that you may have used in your sociology have information / data with many more degrees of freedom. So does quantum mechanics which also relies on statistical methods, and uses probability distribution wave functions instead of just normal distribution function.
Statistical methods allow you to scale down and reduce degrees of freedom and sample to within a margin of error (within a probability) that you can verify.

Hopefully, you find this useful, and realize gaping holes in your foundation. Otherwise, I would say “Lage Raho, Masadi Sahib�, and do expect me to point wholes.

Religions stop us from answering questions - they, in fact, threaten us all the time when we answer questions -

just read Quran and see how many times it threatens both believers and dis-believers who would potentially dare to question the book.

"...the fact that you do not know abcs about scientific hypothesis testing...."

Lage Raho Masadi sahib.

Anil mian throwing some BS around does not absolve you of the fact that you do not know abcs about scientific hypothesis testing....

Have a nice day and keep up with this desified peon knowledge that the colonials bequethed on the sub continent and as a result of which we are in the position we are in, included in that are your dimwitted IT people who cant think worth sh**


Have a nice day and take it easy and don't waste my time you idiot...

TNI Masadi

Re: # 142

Masadi sahib:

"...disproving hypothesis to "indirectly" "prove" ..."

Truly, please read some on clausal logic and mathematical logis.

Your above statement itself is implication and deduction. You probably never learned about Axiomatic Proofs, which are foundation of scientific and mathematical methods. No wonder you performed poorly in quantitative skills.

Re: # 142

Masadi sahib's foul language is proof positive of the limits he has set to his knowledge. Beyond that for him knowledge does not exist, it is only belief system.

Scientific methodology comments I answered on the Hoodbhoy board.

Re: # 147

it is not my development that is stunted though! the facts speak a different language and the message is written clearly on the wall!! ... for all to see (but for those 'blinded' by "faith")

now if you have 'work to do', go and do it! ... take it easy though and have a very nice day

gotta go

akcheema writes "it is not the 'godless' that are 'inventing' the bs as you put it ... they actually "look for" the answers.."

BS, they become as dogmatic as the mullah and like him dishonestly shift criteria to prove their nonsense points. You have been warned, be purposeless/godless at your own peril of stunted development, which by your posts is quite obvious...

Have a nice day and take it easy,
TNI Masadi

Re: # 145; Kaal

LOL!! very droll sir