Ridiculing Religion or Religion of Ridicule

Masadi sahib:

Did you honesty study to your degrees from the buckle of bible belt? Please do not say what you wrote here about disproving, and scientific methods.

Education is beyond you Masadi sahib, I would not say that get Education, please concentrate on Mills and 7th century. The logic was probably absent in those days.

Hyde writes "The hypothesis that gods exist does not clash with science. Since the hypothesis stipulates specifically that they exist in a supernatural universe which is outside the boundaries of the natural universe, that hypothesis cannot be tested by science, which deals only with the natural universe. So we cannot disprove the mere existence of gods.

However, religion doesn't stop there. It hypothesizes that those gods meddle capriciously and illogically with the behavior of the natural universe. Now this hypothesis contradicts not only science, but science's basic premise, because by definition external forces cannot affect a closed system."


A classic example of stumped athiest scientists trying to invent straw men. The BB theory claims that the universe originated out of nothing and claims to know nothing before that nothing because time itself originated then. However once it did originate, it was "directed" given the odds. Next, religions do not necessarily have to claim that God directs the daily happenings in the universe, this is another strawman, he can just let it unfold according to a program or writ, which is very easy to envision given a closed universe, especially in the compter age. Further the society, process analogy is very apt here. On the larger scale there is uniformity and clockwork but on a smaller micro stage there is consciousness and enough room for active intervention by God to produce that uniformity. Since those damn fools haven't yet found a total link between quantum and large scale processes, this contention is BS by whoever stated it. Just like social patterns on a large scale are uniform in a society but claiming that society is not made up on the permutations and combinations of humans interacting through processes (the quantum) is BS as well...

Have a nice day and get an education,
TNI Masadi

shoaib writes "Surely enough proof exists to prove that Beckham is real! "

The taken for granted world isn't "enough proof". Surely greater proof exists to prove that God is real

Anil writes "Why are you your own worst enemy? Scientific methods only prove and not disprove. No wonder you are so confused and not realize, because you keep yourself disproving to yourself."

That is where you are dead wrong. Science proves by disproving, that is why you never prove your hypothesis you always disprove the alternative hypothesis to establish yours.

Get an education,

TNI Masadi

Re: # 124

quin,

... "and sing praises to my Rabb, the Holy ONE, the ONE and the only ONE, The Loving Grace, forever Giving, ever Forgiving, Ar Rahman, Ar Raheem, Al Malikul Quddoos"

..... stop this nonsense, before they throw you in the lion's cage at the local zoo ...... the romans were obvioulsy on to something .........

Re: # 118 akcheema
What about Beethoven ... does 'ode to joy' serves any practical purpose then?

If it does for you, then other notes may serve others sir,
Enjoy the sunshine while it lasts - it is a lot here right now,

So enough of this lap-topping for today and now I will bask in the sun ..................

and sing praises to my Rabb, the Holy ONE, the ONE and the only ONE, The Loving Grace, forever Giving, ever Forgiving, Ar Rahman, Ar Raheem, Al Malikul Quddoos.
Blessed be you all.

Re: # 121 neembu
O the beauty, O the elegance, O the Grace
When heart tembles and time in suspension fades

Re: # 120 Khurram,
What a clear and crisp statement. Like the sunshine shining on my window ... like the brightness in the skies

Re: # 117

this is def worth pursuing-the music of recitation, that engagement b/n reciter, receiver and text is very powerful. hence, the beauty of the azaan.

"science cannot provide answers to big questions"

This is because the big questions are not scientific questions and their answers are not scientific.

The mistake is to treat them as scientific questions and treat religious answers as pseudo-scientific answers.

There is more to life than science!

Re: # 101 rabiawasti,
A very interesting and relevant question. My take:

Nation-state should be bashed as much, if not more, than religion. Keeping eyes close to one vice while focusing on the other is a vice in itself.

Having said that, both could be understood as a necessary step in the development of true humanity.

Re: # 117; quin
[[they are frozen notes of a musical composition of meaning wrapped in the diction of myth.]]

Thanks once again sir! .... so "good to enjoy" by a certain "elite" ... but of NO PRACTICAL USE whatsoever!! ... thought as much

Re: # 109 neembu
Most of the original religious texts were oral recitations - committed to writing later.Those cannot be understood properly unless they are seen in their original context.

And that's again where the problems lies. Both athiests and religious read them as books in the modern sense of a book. they are not books in that sense - they are frozen notes of a musical composition of meaning wrapped in the diction of myth.

HamidM, AkCheema, Shoaib

You guys have a big handicap.

The problem is 99% of the people NEED someone or something to depend on. There has to be someone who they can ask for all the things they want, but are not sure they can achieve by themself. It does not matter whether it is the elephant god or mo of mecca the son of god or even the ajmeribaba.

That is the reason religion is such a big business. The agents of God make a good living, whether they are the popes or mullahs or pandits.

Also don't forget religion is also the only entertainment for the poor.

Re: # 108, 86 hamidm2,
there are no black and white, either and or, true and false, yes and no in which every thing can be neatly placed. It is called Logiculous, an enterprise worth of a new movie.

But alas, only if one can transcend the divisions, only if one find meaning in a paradox ...

And neither life's biggest question is about after-death. Who fool told you that?

And fianlly, if you don't know what a Myth is - you may (may) benefit from reading Cambpell.

Re: # 113;quin
[[Gosh, what rubbish I am talking ... when it is all subjective ...]]

Thank You Sir!!