The Capture of Christianity

pinku,

jang bhai ki batein jyon navak ke tir
dekhan mei chhoti lagein, ghav karein gambhir

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Vaise killing cows, feeding on pigs or slaying dragons all have their uses, in themselves. If Harimau would excuse us (and skip the rest of this post), here is our evergreen (and Harimau's favorite) Karunanidhi himself (someone for whom I have genuine good feelings) :)

Karuna does it again, flays Hindus for sporting tilaks
Posted: Nov 05, 2008 at 1640 hrs IST

Chennai, November 5: Flaying the Hindu practice of smearing ash or saffron or sporting a 'tilak' on the forehead for yet another time, Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi questioned the need for ‘such things in a country which preached equality of all religions’.

Karunanidhi also questioned the rationale behind Brahmins wearing sacred thread.

"What is the need for these things in a country that has accepted all religions and preached equality of the same," he asked in a poem penned by him in the wake of caste-related violence in Madurai on Tuesday in which one person was killed in police firing.

He had on earlier occasions also ridiculed the practice of smearing ash or saffron on the forehead.

The DMK chief had made similar remarks on certain other Hindu customs earlier and described Hindus as ‘robbers’.

But later he clarified that he meant Hindus were robbers ‘who stole hearts’.

In the height of the Sethusamudram controversy, he had described Lord Ram as a ‘drunkard’ and wondered whether he was a qualified engineer to have built the Ramasethu.

In the poem, Karunanidhi described truth as God, adding that all people were equal before God and described as ‘ignorance’ those who were not aware of it.

"Caste differences are the offshoot of the branches called differences based on religion. Let’s chop off not only the branches but also uproot the tree to witness the emergence of a beautiful concept called equality," he said.

He also described as useless the face-off between believers and non-believers on the concept of God and said there was no point fighting over which faith was supreme.

"...He does not love the one person most important to many strands within Hinduism - Adi Shanakara..."
I agree.

Actually I am yet to see this person claim that he "Loves" all the Rishis and Acharyas of Hinduism.

Does he love Ramanujacharya??

For him Ramanuja-charya ji would be a "priest" and NOT a "Founder" of Sri-Vaishnaivism!!

For him "Acharya Shri Vallabha-charya" would be another "Priest" and NOT a "Founder" of his vasihnava sect.

That is a convenient characterization and caricaturisation of other non-Abrahmic faiths (that he conveniently calls as pagan) to push his Islamist and Abrahmic Agenda of ONE DOG religion that intends to violently gobble up and decimate every other faith.

#33 Posted by jang on
okie, if this is a stand alone hindu bashing where Islam is not deceptively trying to gain any point then it is perfect.

Vegetarianism may overall be better for extra long life (if one needs), reverence of cow/bull is meaningless in today's time, but reverence of life of all sorts in general is a good idea.

Ref dost_mittar #16

[Baig saheb, you are truly a destroyer of all myths. What myth are you destroying next - the one about someone producing custom-made revelations from God, what he needed and when he needed them?]

Would you be referring to a certain Mohammad who produced a certificate from Allah that it was okay for him to marry 20 women but ordinary Mozzies have to rest content with just four?

Or, could you be referring to another polygamous sect, this time located in the United States, whose Prophet had a revelation that polygamy was no longer acceptable when the United States refused to accept Utah as a state because of the polygamous practice of the residents of that territory?

pinku yar, this has nothing to do with muslim as such... the reference of goring the holy cow was purely to indicate political nature of the action. its about showing the hindu how stupid, irrational, insane their deeply held beliefs are in view of pure facts.

fact: hindus do eat mutton
fact: hindu literature seem to have references to mutton eating.

this is absolutely ridiculous considering the illogical reverence they (incl of pure caste hindoos, bhakti sects, jains, buddhist, sikhhs, jains etc) seem to hold for vegetarianism. jains are the most consistent but i am sure some illogic can be found if one puts his mind to it.

so, he is a slayer of myths, butcher of the holy cows, nothing to do with islam.

#15 Posted by KaalChakra on

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That is perfectly fine, but you have devoted all your life to attacking other religions, while still being known, by many Indians, as a secularist and liberal.
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There are so many people in India who think they are secular? "truthful" is proper word? What is secular??... ..that we will ignore problems in religion at our will, ..or.. that we will pretend that all religions are equally bad?

Religions are huge things, huge egos, these small "pseudo" secular people should remember that religious ego is not so "ignorable", if it was, then they wouldn't be talking about sh*ts of religions each day??? They should also remember that their "pseudo secular" existence which ignores and entertain issues arbitrarily, doesn't help anybody.




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#30 Posted by jang on

what do you want to say here or is it what Murad said???

Are they not vegetarian for long or what?? Or they started becoming vegetarian just a few days back??

For muslims: They can consider anything happening before Muhammad (was born), as happened at the time of Big bang or creation of Universe. In that case as majority of Hindus (mainly Brahmin, Baniya + Jain, Budhdhist) are vegetarian since "X" hundred BC, they are vegetarian since universe got created?? That should be a long long duration for Islam by any standards?? They don't even like to remember such ancient history??

ref #27 this was in ref to murads posting showing that indian literature has some references to meat-eating during religious ceremonies. this offcourse makes practice of vegetarianism and holding vegetarianism as a virtue as held by overwhelming number of indians as a long tradition completely ridiculous, and that is very important.

Too many idiotic (if not hilarious) mistakes to mention. Please ask questions about exactly what confuses you and kaka will try to answer them on unplugged.

For starters, read the wikipedia entry. Someone must have written something meaningful there.

jang, that was a very good one :)

This is a very curious mindset, indeed. It is not driven by strict religious beliefs per se, but by identity-driven deep hatred of immediate others, possibly. Or by an inherent need to play group politics and to undermine other groups, as you, perhaps quite rightly, suggest.

kaal, murad sirji is certainly not a devout islamist, he is a slayer of the holy cow. here is a repeat

#138 Posted by jang on November 4, 2008 1:49:56 pm
murad, just like holy cow would be gored in chandani chowk as a political statement (so much so that bahadur sha had to intervene and make sure that it did not happen during the tumultuous times of his reign) JNU walas love to gore the proverbial holy cow much to Laddus pain. Laddu and many hindus (and other indics) vegetarianism as deeply holy and important, and have done so for generations. JNU walas rationalist offcourse have the dawa of finding selective references from vast ancient indian writings. this is a noble political act of goring the holy cow.

if hindoos like Laddu, accept the dawa and hang their head in shame in face of this evidence and become further emasculated, well and good. if they become rabid and foaming at mouth, even better.

its a win-win situation.

There is something weird and frankly quite authoritarian about this obsession with the one great guy and exactly what he said and did and so on and on and on. Both Islam and christianity share these characteristics, and frankly, in spite of their many strengths, this is one of their most repellent aspects.

At many different times, there have been peacemakers and principled people, people who have protested against injustice and helped those who suffer in many ways. Many such people are alive today and we recognize many historical figures like Gandhi, MLK, christian teachers, buddhist monks, sufi teachers, principled atheists and pacifists and so on.

Let us focus on recognizing these people and supporting them in our lives today. Lets recognize people from the past but obsessing about them ("only son of god", "final prophet", whatever) is fundamentally something very bizarre and unhealthy.

One hell of an interesting article, all these details are already available on the net. At the end of the post, I have provided some links to read more. Good Job Murad!

Basically all religions started as stories, myths and fables. Curiosity, the power of the spoken and later written words made people create myths. Over the centuries smarter human figured out many ways to control plebs. Religion is just one of the old tricks, possibly the first one too.

Some Myths later on developed by more rational people as sciences. For the half bred, conspiracy theories are still the new myths and fables. No one in the world is immune from venturing in to conspiracy theories. The myths emerged because people attempt to cover up history or put a favorable spin on it.

For the Arabs or the people of Syria where Nasrani religion actually prospered, the Christianity is the Nasrani religion which perhaps was more like a Hebrew name. The Hebrew name for Christians has always been Notzrim.

“In A.D.1607 a committed of 47 men took two years and nine months to re-write the Bible, which is now called the King James Bible. It removed seven books from the Catholic version. King James chose Sir Francis Bacon to edit the manuscripts. It should be noted that the earlier Greek versions were not written until around the Fourth Century, and before that, the writings were in Hebrew and Aramaic.

The god that the Christians collectively worship today was originally four gods. Ashtoreth was openly worshiped by the Israelites until the 6th century BC. She was the wife of El, the supreme male deity, and they were together the Divine Couple. Their daughter was Anath, Queen of the Heavens, and their son, the King of the Heavens, was called He. As time progressed, the separate characters of El and he were merged to become Jehova. Ashtoreth (Ashera) and Anath were then similarly joined to become Jehova's female consort, known as the Shekinah or Matronit."

"The overriding theme of the Bible storyline is the theme of cultural conquest. Conquest by the Hebrews over their enemy neighbors, culturally by the Jews over the Israelites (used here to mean members of the ten "lost" tribes), the Christians over the Jews, the Catholics over the Gnostics, Marcionites, and other pre-Catholic factions, and on and on. In some cases, the conquest is recorded as a historical, often military event. In others, it merely is recorded as a change in content and context, an alteration of the storyline and outlook and worldview.�

http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html
http://www.jewishen cyclopedia.com/index.jsp
http://www.occultopedia.com/occult.htm

khaki, IMHO, there is no real pressing need to criticize any of the 'founders'. But when one "loves" the 'founder' of one's religion, one is being a myth believer, when one loves such a founder publicly, one is being religiously political, and when one actually loves all founders of all religions, one is being insane.

Let me add quickly, that does not apply to Murad ji. He does not love the one person most important to many strands within Hinduism - Adi Shanakara.

(Probably also not Dayananda Saraswati - in fact, it will useful to know which if any religious figures among Hindus Murad Bhai does love.)

Re: # 22
Thanks, pinku. For far too long I've soft-pedalled a view on Christianity's bloody past, preferring to consign it to a 'that was then, but things have changed' category. Maybe it's about time I thought about taking the gloves off.

#21 Posted by khakiflash on
khaki,
the kind of killings "one god" people of Christianity and Islam did is just amazing, South Asians could have thought of killing people such cruel way by humans (even animals don't do like that).

People were given slow painful death in public to let others understand what will happen if they do not become people of "one god", Throats were slit to let bleeding and pain continue for a painful death (the way they did in Iraq, reciting Kuran). Christians in America burned Mayans alive (in groups) the way you roast chiecken or beef??


World will not be able to see more degenerated people than what these two faiths created. You can be mad, but you become satan for a God??? Which God?? All this because first Christians copy pasted some stuff from Hinduism and then Islam copy pasted from Christianity and were protecting that bad copy-paste??