Veeresh Malik November 5, 2008
#1 Posted by parthaab on November 6, 2008 5:42:47 pm
For Indians, who WORSHIP capitalists, feminists and the sooper natural, Ratan Tata is one of the most cunning and arrogant. We would be better off without ultra left politicians like Buddhu, and ultra right politicians like Modi ( btw, did anyone notice that the land was taken from an agricultural UNIVERSITY? Does education matter less than industry? )
Ratan is actually only a front for a reclusive wealthy man, of Irish origin, Pallon Mistry, who owns about 16% of Tata Sons wealth.
#2 Posted by nkg on November 6, 2008 7:14:28 pm
Veeresh...
Well written. This the beauty of democracy, we are enjoying after destruction of congress monopoly (rather Gandhi/Nehru family based autocracy). Every state chief minister is hero and have to do something for his state to survive. I will give Vajpayee govt., the credit, for bringing such healthy environment....
I wished, we got rid of Nehru and Indira Gandhi much earlier, may be in early 70s. That would have made India much better place now.
Well written. This the beauty of democracy, we are enjoying after destruction of congress monopoly (rather Gandhi/Nehru family based autocracy). Every state chief minister is hero and have to do something for his state to survive. I will give Vajpayee govt., the credit, for bringing such healthy environment....
I wished, we got rid of Nehru and Indira Gandhi much earlier, may be in early 70s. That would have made India much better place now.
#3 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 6, 2008 7:45:29 pm
Thanks Veeresh for article. This new cheap car will add mobility to 100 of millions of Indians. ( others will do similar small cars in addition to Tata company) Just like Railways, telephones/cellular , computers and Televison changed world than any political or idealogical movement Tech revolutions are great changer, secular , peaceful ( some redundant industry destruction taks place) they change society in every aspect and leads to betterment of Billions of People.
Tata is good organization in sense they are enlightend Capitalists than just traders. They creat wealth in classic sense. Now pakistan is dominated by Traders mostly. They are good at buying and selling but they do not have patience and fortitude in general and putting money for manufacturering enterprising Capatalism is tragedy. They most due is great vlue addition in packing, and marketing and reaching customers.
Now I do not understand if Tata motor Company has not done good/ bad planning or misfortune in time sense in Buying Jaguar and landrover motor , English company of american co. Wonder due to losses in british unit of their they are punished in equity markets. On NYSE their equities have lost more than 75% of value. That is extremely distressiong for any company. That is opinion of Investment community. The great benefit of free market is to punish badly run and bad product producers and reward companies who are doing better.I wonder Tata Motor Company of India is in danger of vanishing. It is mystery why they picked up business which was not wanted by any body. Kindly comment.
Good day.
Tata is good organization in sense they are enlightend Capitalists than just traders. They creat wealth in classic sense. Now pakistan is dominated by Traders mostly. They are good at buying and selling but they do not have patience and fortitude in general and putting money for manufacturering enterprising Capatalism is tragedy. They most due is great vlue addition in packing, and marketing and reaching customers.
Now I do not understand if Tata motor Company has not done good/ bad planning or misfortune in time sense in Buying Jaguar and landrover motor , English company of american co. Wonder due to losses in british unit of their they are punished in equity markets. On NYSE their equities have lost more than 75% of value. That is extremely distressiong for any company. That is opinion of Investment community. The great benefit of free market is to punish badly run and bad product producers and reward companies who are doing better.I wonder Tata Motor Company of India is in danger of vanishing. It is mystery why they picked up business which was not wanted by any body. Kindly comment.
Good day.
#4 Posted by parthaab on November 6, 2008 8:12:58 pm
Re: # 3
Please read on why the Tatas were favoured with a license - in the Nehruvian license raj - to mine for its steel plant - one of the MOST PROFITABLE in the whole world.
And about its famous brand of Tea, being produced from government owned land, usurped by the Tatas in the hills of Munnar.
And why the Tatas insist they will pay only a pittance for the hundreds of acres in Bengal that they claimed they need to produce a car.
A little knowledge may go a long way in dispelling myths.
#5 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 6, 2008 8:43:58 pm
I do not know much about them but people from pakistan also then are deceived by propaganda. Thanks for alerting me all companies are just to make dirty money
#6 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 6, 2008 9:36:07 pm
I wonder why Govt of Bengal does not start industires , they can do better without exploitation. Bhutto SR did but by nature Pakistani man/ woman does not want to work if can. It is problem many think govt is for them to have job rather than doing job. It appears to me many times we do not work hard unless we are exploited. I worked in nongovt but we use to work hardly honestly even few hours. In morning I will always late and go to bathroom , then read newspaper and at 10:30 boss use to come as he had to take his wife for shopping so I will strat drama of working. Especially all us had not worked any time in life so by that it use to become very hard work and our tummies on fire.I use to help many who use ti feel guilty for no reason of not doing any real work. I use to say we should be paid 10 times but they do not pay and make drama of paying us adequately so we shall make drama of working. They do not pay good to please and make drama of they are paying well so we use to make drama of working. So we will leave to food as soon as boss laeves. Then we will eat and over eat. Then heat humidity of Karachi makes you sleepy so hurry and then under fan it takes one hour to dry sweat and loose sleepy mood. It is 2 clock. We use to take tea break and visit bathroom to put water on face and comb hair and with water on face I use to get ready to work like tiger. When you go back to work and start work lazy collegue will bring down and break my determination to some thing useful. One does not want to be outcasted as stupid who works makes depressed.We use to ring bell and drink water many times to break monotony of not doing nothing. Then it was 3 pm , one feels not doing any thing and making mistakes in hurry when in not mood. Now one our officer use to work hard, he use to remind how British officers use to make him work. Many times I use to get inspired to work but there are bad characters will say. When somebody asks to me why madani Sahib is not working and becoming burden on company. I use to tell I know our brillient boss is right nobody died of hard work but as cautious person I do not want to work why take risk and try, it better to do no work and safe. Basically many people like do not like work as some of us have not bodies deisgned to work hard.Like many of my friends moto is "Achha khana or Gana Sunana". Work should be relaxing place but its up to you.I do not like cricket but test match was fine as then we will not do any thing for next 5 days as even bosses expected. Finally we had good compromise at work place, we only worked for two hours perday some times. Any way My theory is desi man or woman is not desined like chinese or Japanies for work, these asians. Most of women use to work only for one hourday as they had all problems from house, husbands, children and what not. One industrious women use to fry Pakodas and samosa and give norishment to our bodies. Some women use to bring vegetables to cut. Only boss once got angry as that woman started to slice onion and eyes got in trouble. But then she made Kanda Pakodas for boss still was told never to this type of home work here in work place.many times women use to cry at work place and bosses are not nice were arrogent to tell them not to bring home problems here. I always use to tell boss is mean they can come to me and I am good listner. Any way I hate Capitalism and assembly work which makes you work as animal machine. I have heard slowly all people getting crazy and they expect human work for 8 to 10 hours daily. I have great feeling for workers on road digging trenches in Karachi. As soon as boss leaves they theow hammer and shovels and even in boiling sun goes to sleep in concrete pipe.
I have come to conclusion no point in hard working and taking chance with our own life, as if die due to work boss is not going to send cheque. So nothing is going change till we inbreed with mongol race who work hard by nature like china, vietnam, korea , etc.
Good day. Every body take it easy and happy.
I have come to conclusion no point in hard working and taking chance with our own life, as if die due to work boss is not going to send cheque. So nothing is going change till we inbreed with mongol race who work hard by nature like china, vietnam, korea , etc.
Good day. Every body take it easy and happy.
#7 Posted by nkg on November 6, 2008 11:32:14 pm
ahmed....
Tata motors with the techinial assistance of FIAT morots have challenged Hyndai and Suzuki in hatchback segment. It is dominant in the market, specialy who want to for commercial purpose. NANO is supposed to serve Maruti800 segment of market + it should create a class of customers, who are Govt. employees. Recently GoI released new pay comission and that will definitely boost the small car segment. Major hitch in this story is infrastructure problem and soaring energy price. Govt. sould not subsidize petrol/diesel for private use. Most of the cities in India are facing with infrastructure problem. So, NANo may be good for African,South American countries or even some country side in India and South and East Asian countries, but not a good stuff for urban India. If Govt. forces, then it can be at most alternative of AutoRicksaws. BAJAJ will be the looser....Anyhow Nissan-BAJAJ is coming up with alternative...
Tata motors with the techinial assistance of FIAT morots have challenged Hyndai and Suzuki in hatchback segment. It is dominant in the market, specialy who want to for commercial purpose. NANO is supposed to serve Maruti800 segment of market + it should create a class of customers, who are Govt. employees. Recently GoI released new pay comission and that will definitely boost the small car segment. Major hitch in this story is infrastructure problem and soaring energy price. Govt. sould not subsidize petrol/diesel for private use. Most of the cities in India are facing with infrastructure problem. So, NANo may be good for African,South American countries or even some country side in India and South and East Asian countries, but not a good stuff for urban India. If Govt. forces, then it can be at most alternative of AutoRicksaws. BAJAJ will be the looser....Anyhow Nissan-BAJAJ is coming up with alternative...
#8 Posted by Dash_Dot on November 7, 2008 12:50:17 am
veeresh:the mysterious Indian, claiming to be from the political component of one of India's Central Services, who got roaring drunk in 1st Class on Aeroflot on an overnight flight from Moscow to Delhi about 5 years ago, and let slip stuff about Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose which matched what old ex-INA soldiers in Japan and a shippie friend who spent time in a jail in Taiwan had told me - the secrets of the Gulag will come out when the snows melt there with global warming.
Why not complete it...the story I mean....you have left us hanging in the air....
(okay I know its all a part of your long intro to the grand conspiracy theory behind the Nano-WB-Fiasco....man...still)
Why not complete it...the story I mean....you have left us hanging in the air....
(okay I know its all a part of your long intro to the grand conspiracy theory behind the Nano-WB-Fiasco....man...still)
#9 Posted by Charlie on November 7, 2008 6:05:32 am
10 years ago, for another magazine and on television, I predicted how the Tata Indica would change the face of the small car scene in India. It did.
Is it a compliement to Tata or you want appreciation from the crowd for your guessing (insightful, visionary) skills. :)
Is it a compliement to Tata or you want appreciation from the crowd for your guessing (insightful, visionary) skills. :)
#10 Posted by Shah2 on November 8, 2008 2:24:05 am
Veerish Bhai
Can you tell me how much money Ta Ta has ?
Revntly he donated 50 Million Dollars to Cornell universiy .Like most of tycoons so called 'nri 'or who knows what passport they carry .
Where do you think thay made there money... off the back of mill workers Jamshed pur Textile in bombay etc .
Why India needs Nano any way .
Isn't it NOT so much to help india BUT the rich (tata ) become richer and dnate another Million to Cornell .
If Nano is geared towards increased salary of Govt employees through recent generous pay commission(like ta ta not for poor )its not service is it
And the fuel situation with energy mostly coming through fuel ( hydro electric is pittence )
Reliance is nothing middle man bania between sui gas of Qatar and billion populated market of India .
Only person Nano helps is Middle East Fuel Market and TatA Getting away with being wirshipped as goddess laxmi /ganesh .
I feel sorry for indian who toil like animals building things which they never consume or enjoy
Can you tell me how much money Ta Ta has ?
Revntly he donated 50 Million Dollars to Cornell universiy .Like most of tycoons so called 'nri 'or who knows what passport they carry .
Where do you think thay made there money... off the back of mill workers Jamshed pur Textile in bombay etc .
Why India needs Nano any way .
Isn't it NOT so much to help india BUT the rich (tata ) become richer and dnate another Million to Cornell .
If Nano is geared towards increased salary of Govt employees through recent generous pay commission(like ta ta not for poor )its not service is it
And the fuel situation with energy mostly coming through fuel ( hydro electric is pittence )
Reliance is nothing middle man bania between sui gas of Qatar and billion populated market of India .
Only person Nano helps is Middle East Fuel Market and TatA Getting away with being wirshipped as goddess laxmi /ganesh .
I feel sorry for indian who toil like animals building things which they never consume or enjoy
#11 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 8, 2008 5:57:42 am
Re: # 10 I support Nano as it breaks hold of elites on monopoly of having 4 wheelers.
If you remember long time elites have monopoly on foreign travell. Only elites like bhuttos, jinnahs will go to England. But weith opening of usa even ordinary person can immigrate or marry pakistani woman in usa and mard Punjabi Munda can reach usa and and drive 4 wheeler.
Same nano will usher different perception. Now i agree it is better policy to deny things then opeople value them. Like cell phones everybody has so elites lost also mass produced things get cheap with time become part of average man's lanscape. As indian way is different way of planning is reverse so after many nanos they will start on road buildind not bad just different type management style IIT style not LUM type. Indians can come and look at american std built drivers dream highways.
Just like black leaders in usa criticised space program as waste, but now inovations have added entertainment to their life. Same way nano will lead to high ways . Indians have horseneed built carriage.
Economy is strange case beyond my understanding. But starving everybody is not solution and more rich spend by nano or television poor get jobs. Also not poor should not be punished to drive bycycles and as they way barrel of crude price coming down nano can help to spur price. We need to look at oil producers also they need money to buy good services. Presently is not good for poor contries like iran or super rich Ksa arabs , Russians this business of feast and famine due to oil pumping. They need stability and nano can give jump by adding new oil users.
If you remember long time elites have monopoly on foreign travell. Only elites like bhuttos, jinnahs will go to England. But weith opening of usa even ordinary person can immigrate or marry pakistani woman in usa and mard Punjabi Munda can reach usa and and drive 4 wheeler.
Same nano will usher different perception. Now i agree it is better policy to deny things then opeople value them. Like cell phones everybody has so elites lost also mass produced things get cheap with time become part of average man's lanscape. As indian way is different way of planning is reverse so after many nanos they will start on road buildind not bad just different type management style IIT style not LUM type. Indians can come and look at american std built drivers dream highways.
Just like black leaders in usa criticised space program as waste, but now inovations have added entertainment to their life. Same way nano will lead to high ways . Indians have horseneed built carriage.
Economy is strange case beyond my understanding. But starving everybody is not solution and more rich spend by nano or television poor get jobs. Also not poor should not be punished to drive bycycles and as they way barrel of crude price coming down nano can help to spur price. We need to look at oil producers also they need money to buy good services. Presently is not good for poor contries like iran or super rich Ksa arabs , Russians this business of feast and famine due to oil pumping. They need stability and nano can give jump by adding new oil users.
#12 Posted by parthaab on November 8, 2008 6:09:57 am
Re: # 10
Maybe Ratan could have got the blessings of thousands of hapless poor whose land was taken away, if he had simply 'donated' that 50 million to them, instead of the US of A.
This crazy man, who owns 1% of Tatasons, seems so enamoured by the west.
Notice the money he took away from Tata Steels profits ( shareholders ) to pay for a UK company!
Even Pallon Mistry, the wealthy reclusive ( a relative who he acts as a front for ), has taken IRISH citizenship!
Maybe Ratan could have got the blessings of thousands of hapless poor whose land was taken away, if he had simply 'donated' that 50 million to them, instead of the US of A.
This crazy man, who owns 1% of Tatasons, seems so enamoured by the west.
Notice the money he took away from Tata Steels profits ( shareholders ) to pay for a UK company!
Even Pallon Mistry, the wealthy reclusive ( a relative who he acts as a front for ), has taken IRISH citizenship!
#13 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 8, 2008 8:16:13 am
Re: # 12 Parthaab babu... I Madanisahib is getting tired of your WHINING all time. If you have complaint is ok but all whining all time is not welcome.
first your are against women all time now most men are miserable without women around and hopefully other way also. You have become Elite/ local from Bengal always compaining against women and whining. Now women have no problems but you have real big problem. When I say big means real big problem. You need to figure out , i have mental problems but i control them. Control and controlis key.
Now do not mean to say you are not good, may be there are women worst than angry buffollows and just strike and demolish man.
Now I do not care that little dingi platform nano indians will drive on nonexisting road ways. Now you have problem with some "mistry". Now we know always there are poor and rich people so why so much to worry about. Now as said before poor need to be exploited and made work hard so they get food.
Now bengali women are good looking but little dark but that due to weather. They look soft and femanine and they do not become fat like buffollows like men and women north of Rahi Yar Khan as they age. Color is compensated by intelligence. Bengali's are intelligent over punjabis by miles and good for them. That is why we let you go and have B.Desh and happy. That is direct result of getting most protein from water/ fish. Also Benglai women speak soft almost in vowells like small punjabi child speaks before they get control on tongue. It appaers music to trained ears and very noticable.
Please do not complain all time against women and now mistry what will be next time. Sorry If I hurt your feeling but you are just getting too much complaing.
Have good night.
first your are against women all time now most men are miserable without women around and hopefully other way also. You have become Elite/ local from Bengal always compaining against women and whining. Now women have no problems but you have real big problem. When I say big means real big problem. You need to figure out , i have mental problems but i control them. Control and controlis key.
Now do not mean to say you are not good, may be there are women worst than angry buffollows and just strike and demolish man.
Now I do not care that little dingi platform nano indians will drive on nonexisting road ways. Now you have problem with some "mistry". Now we know always there are poor and rich people so why so much to worry about. Now as said before poor need to be exploited and made work hard so they get food.
Now bengali women are good looking but little dark but that due to weather. They look soft and femanine and they do not become fat like buffollows like men and women north of Rahi Yar Khan as they age. Color is compensated by intelligence. Bengali's are intelligent over punjabis by miles and good for them. That is why we let you go and have B.Desh and happy. That is direct result of getting most protein from water/ fish. Also Benglai women speak soft almost in vowells like small punjabi child speaks before they get control on tongue. It appaers music to trained ears and very noticable.
Please do not complain all time against women and now mistry what will be next time. Sorry If I hurt your feeling but you are just getting too much complaing.
Have good night.
#14 Posted by Mystic on November 8, 2008 9:29:30 am
Re: # 13
Ahmed shouldnt yu be performing umrh instead of salivating over bengali gals .shame on you rascist climing to be aryan europeran race he he he .
Only if you pasted u r foto in your web page liar
Ahmed shouldnt yu be performing umrh instead of salivating over bengali gals .shame on you rascist climing to be aryan europeran race he he he .
Only if you pasted u r foto in your web page liar
#15 Posted by drlokraj on November 8, 2008 10:34:16 am
His first negociation was with punjab govt (Amrinder's govt. at that time),. Tata wanted free land, 5 years tax holiday and many other concessions which were working out to be too costly for Punjab, hence they refused to accept his contions and he then moved to WB. Badal had tried to revive the project again but Tata had already made a pact with Gujarat govt.
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