The Way Out

I see more clean shaved mullas in Pakistan then the bearded ones and unfortunately, they seems to be genetic twins of Muhammad Ata or Tanveer (7/7 Bombers) although they are either Punjabis or Pashtuns. I blame there parents more then the molvis – molvis are jahil and there are hardly any real Ulema left most of them you will find will be peudo Pashtuns ones with fake or copied PHds….

Interestingly I do not see Mohajir, Balochi and Sindhi fundos! Somehow the real thakedar of Islam and Pakistan are the Punjos and Pashtoons…!!!!

{"Bad things happen only when good people allow these to happen.

In the same vein, we have abandoned religion to some renegade ignoramuses to misinterpret and exploit with impunity. A significant segment of our youth has been led astray in the process, often doing great harm to themselves and those around them. Others are so put off by the hypocritical antics of the so-called ulama that they have turned their backs to religion itself. There is no shortage of talented writers, artists, sportsmen and individuals with a host of other skills. Hardly any of them make the effort to pass these on to the youth that needs them."}

Zia Sahib,
You have really touched upon the malaise that has infected Pakistan for decades. The problem is that when we don't punish a clear wrong, then there is no deterrence for future violators.
One example is what the Zia government DID NOT do following the horrible massacre of people by armed hoodlums in Sohrab Goth area in 1986. For several hours, murderers killed to their satisfaction in Pakistan's largest city and there was no response from the authorities. There was not even a trial of the murderers or any repercussions for their heinous acts.
No wonder we have a whole section of the country displaying such murderous behavior with impunity.

Re: # 28
Majumder....
"Bangla sadly brings in nothing but infiltrators from B'desh...."
Yes man, but that is more of a political problem than anything else.....
Franly speaking, if Bongs would have kicked out moslems to make it araboid free zone (like that of Indian part of Punjab), the story would have something different. Now , the situation is worsening day by day....At least L K Advani initaited construction of border fense....

Re: # 28
majumder....
This is not due to 1/2 urdoo stuff...Indian cultural root is far better than urdooo or middle eastern beduines...one example; can you find any good mumbai movie, which is neither based on some regional language literature/movie or bits and pieces copy of western movies?
Out of this couple of million dollars, most are from expatriate indians. So, if we can purify the language of north, it would have brought similar amount of forex...
ramayana and mahabharata is much more popular than any indian cultural creation....
if you find Parasuramer Rachanabali, please read it. Rajsekhar Basu had written nice analytical essey, which discusses about problem, that can arise from this 1/2 ardooo stuff...recent MNS agitation in Mumbai and other parts of Maharashtra is prooved that very well...
All major indian languagages (barring some north eastern languages and tamil and may be malayalam) are based on sanskrit/prakrit. So, in earlier days, language never used to be barrier for communication between different states. unfortunately, post sanskrit era started with urdoooisation of north and cream of indian society plunged into darkness...post british arrival, maharashtra, karnataka and bengali language got new lease of life and produced good quality literatures....
sanskrit and languages based on it are better constructed than english, and there is no point relying on english as only linking language between different part of india and language of knowledge....
what these bong geniouses like Vidyasagar started, had not spread to entire India. if indians (better to say bharatiyas) would have replicatde that, we might not have prevented creation of special araboid zones (Pakistans) in east and west, but bharatiyas would have been in much better shape (bharat itself)...

that faggot, Nehru, unlike chinese leaders, completely drowned cow belt (it was sinking upto neck deep) to keep himself afloat like a big leader....

...historically, punjab was, for two thousand years, perhaps, the most conquered area in the world.....it has an interesting distinction of being ruled by foreign invaders, for nearly all of its past two thousand years (and more)......

the invaders came from all sides - north, south, east and west.......they included a strange hotch-potch of nationalities and ethnicities - persians, greeks, biharis, greeks, sakas, persians (with afghan and local tribes), arabs,(partially), afghan turks, afghans, rajasthanis (partially), mongols, afghans (partially), turkic mongols, afghan (briefly), sikhs, british.........(i probably missed out a couple)

during this complete line, the only time a local punjabi community ruled over punjab was the sikh dynasty.....perhaps after the sakas, a local group supported by persians can be considered a partial local ruler......

the second punjabi, to rule punjab after ranjit singh (sikh dynasty), would ironically be nawaz sharif......(though, technically, nawaz is a kashmiri)

so in 2300 years or so, the only time punjab has been ruled by a local group was during the sikh rule!

......this gives one an insight into the psyche of punjabis....(and, perhaps of punjabi speakers like myself, as well)......either they are overwhelmingly peace loving....or they get easily intimidated and conquered.......

pakistan is now, 62% punjab......people, who have never risen up against authority for 2300 years, will not, all of a sudden rise up now......

it is a fact that during the 1857 mutiny, it was the punjabis who refused to join in with the locals, and actually fought in favor of the british.....had the punjabis, even caused a little trouble in punjab, or had the punjabi soldiers, simply, refused to fight alongside the british, there is no way the british could have won......the british were on the verge of defeat.......

......it is also the punjabi leadership which was quite comfortable being ruled by the british till 1947......jinnah had to bring them along, kicking and screaming......

interestingly, it is said that the punjabi judges are the first to support any martial law......

punjabis constitue the majority of pakistan and it has been programmed into their dna, over generations, to obey authority, via sycophany and obedience......

the other reason for lack of political resistance in pakistan and authoritarian rule is that jinnah, from day one, consolidated power into his own hand as an unelected governor general (while nehru opted to be prime minister)......jinnah had the same amount of power in the ceremonial position of gg, that musharraf had as president (another position that is is supposed to be ceremonial)......

pakistan is still an colonized society.....one could argue that the pathans and baluchis do show a lot of resistance (perhaps more than needed)......but they belong to the afghan side of the indus, and were never south asians......

the lawyers movement is a good start as is the media.....but there is still a long way to go......dna doesn't change easily......

Nkg moshai,

The "1/2 Urdoo" that our "half Moslem barbarians" from the North speak at least brings in millions of dollars in forex (Bollywood) and contributes to India's soft power (for whatever it is worth). Bangla sadly brings in nothing but infiltrators from B'desh.

Regards

Majumder....
I know, this is off the topic, but the form of Hindi is imposed as national language, should not be the national language. But then what to do with the cow belt 1/2 moslas- speak in 1/2 urdooo? that is big burden to India...

Shah/Mir et al,

It was only by a whisker I believe that English missed out on being India's national language. I honestly think that English shud be made the national/official language of India and the primary medium of education. Local languages and Hindi can continue to serve as the language of entertainment, common usage and local communication. Let us face it English is the language of wealth and power at the global level.

Regards

#24
I am sorry i did not mean English knowing are SMARTER .....

pakistan learn from India how different lingual groups are accommadated .India also is facing same problem Marathi vs bhaiya Bengali NonBengali assamese speaking against non assamese speaking ....

#10 mohar

#12 Trichmir


I am not Fan of Jinnah even as muslim .What Jinnah did was expected... nehru and Delhi also imposed hindi all over India .Indians gave up urdu to pakistan as part of Muslim symbol

India has more than dozen languages .Was not Hindi made national language and still to the detriment of Tamil Telugu MalayallamKannada Marathi others .What is this randi rona of Bloch Punjabi sindhi ....Until u are smart enough to all learn english you have to have A national language .

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Re: # 2
The Arabic you fail to understand makes you and us different, Pakistan ka Matlab haye La Illaha Ill'lal'laah, there is no god but Allah SWT and this is the dividing line which required the creation of a homeland for those who believe in the above.
Why don't you stick some cotton in your ears and stop listening to our shouting and get busy with your own chores instead of interfering with every thing a Pakistani wishes to discuss amongst themselves?
Most certainly that proves you are interested beyond reasonable cause, and, the issue of Pakistan and it's issues bears a great deal of importance for your kind.
If Pakistan is not all that important then you would be engaged in something more useful, however it is beyond your approach so shut up and get busy improving the needs of Hindustan.

Re: # 13
What is important is the theme and if JFK felt that it fits the occasion and conveyed these powerful words, regardless of the speechwriter these become the proprietorship of JFK.
If someone knows who the speechwriter is/was, what difference that makes, it is the spirit that counts.
I don't waste my time to pay attention to speechwriters since they are already paid for their services which they are hired for.
However, if finding and locating the author of given speech is your concern you may wish to acquire & read through:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0805072136/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link

Re: # 8
Kaal...
"The role of Bengal in Pakistan is an unsettled one. According to many Punjabi and Sindhi Pakistani historians now, Pakistan was supposed to represent ancient Punjabi and Sindhi civilizations that had lived quite distinct from the Indian civilization (or whatever lay to the east of Punjab and Sindh)...."
This is utter stupid...
If Pakiland was supposed to represent the ancient civilisdation (Indus valley and Gandhar), then why to raise slogan in the name of medieval arab barbarism? Civilisational history of Pakiland is much much better and earlier than that of Islam (as whole) and Islamic Pakistan (achivement of Pakistan under Islamic time and before that)....

Vikramaditya ji,

Why would the loss of political power to Bengalis have been a repugnant and dangerous thing?

Just go to West Bengal or Bangladesh and you will realise why it is so. Surely, you wud be knowing that Bengal was one of the most advanced states of India under British rule

Regards

Well I have not read the article but I have now. It is one of those childish daydreaming that most low knowledge arm chair ideologues indulge in. I guess thats why no one took the article seriously.

Political movements take lots of efforts,planning, MONEY, and issues that people can back on. The ruling groups are not idiots. They control the media and all the state apparatus is used to thwart any attempt to organize. I am not going to in details but it takes a lot than just Yeh matti baht Zarkhaz hai Saqi.

Btw, from 1967 on Pakistani had the strongest, powerful and highly politically motivated movements in any country in Asia.

The Bengali movement in 1971 needed an army to crush. The 1968 one resulted in dismissal of an iron-fisted dictator who managed the country for ten years.From 1974 onward Baloch fought the army. In 1977 the nutcases supported by the army launched a good one too. In 1977-78 people were self immolating in Punjab and Sindh. The Army had to use public lashing and mass scales arrests to bring that down. 1983 people were back on streets again in Sindh and Punjab and the army had to come out and control Sindh for almost 4 years.
Musharaf got lucky that he had the WOT behind him that confused people.

The lawyers movement has not ended yet. It is just that some countries need more efforts and some others less. Just think about South Africa. It took more than 100 years and in the end ANC made the deal to get the power.

Shades of deal are not so indiscernible in Pakistan too. But that is all part of the political struggle.