An Indian Muslim

Re: # 152

HP miaN, looks like the khakis and the jihadis are working out a deal to fukk-up (thanks, miaN Truly!) the land of Pakistan together. Did you consider the possibility that perhaps this is what they had in mind all along?!

Urstruly #151 {"People have really short memory. Just in the August of this month hundereds of thousands of Kashmiris set out to march to Pakistani border to remind world and their Hindu occupiers their international commitment towards Kashmir's democratic right to self-determine. How they were treated?? Hundereds of them were shot by machine guns by the occupying hindu army. Had at that a single Hindu raised the voice against his own government "why are you massacring my fellow citizens?""}

Urstruly,
I remember that well. I noticed that in Jammu, the Hindu troops used tear gas and batons to control the Hindu mobs. In Srinagar and near the Azad Kashmir border, they used deadly ammunition. I made a point about that to our Indian friends about the uneven and unfair treatment of the two mobs. Indians saw nothing wrong with that.

stuka pai,

A pathan never accepts the end....he likes the middle. SO this is the begining of the middle game now!

HP Pai: I just chanced upon the same article. This is the beginning of the end game.

HP #152,
This was bound to happen. The bellicose statement coming from Indian government, Indian press, and even some Bollywood stars, has really given some serious bowel movements to our peerless fearless. LOL

Scared of the prospect of losing on two fronts, they are eager to be rid of the more difficult one - fighting Pathans in FATA. They would rather face Sardarjis across a fertile farm.

Again, the terrorists win.

#147 Posted by Essensaur on November 30, 2008 1:18:25 pm

{"I would appreciate if someone would find time to write about arguments for and against Khilafat...I'd imagine that if Khilafat were to be established, there would be a single person who would be the authority representing the Ummah across national boundaries, who would have the final say in the event of disputes regarding Islam and the rest of the world, and indeed the non-Muslim world would have one person to hold accountable for the good or bad actions taken in the name of Islam. Would that not be better than having hoards of Mullahs issuing all kinds of fatwas at will, and confusing the heck of the Muslims and non-Muslims alike?"}

Essensaur,
You bring up an excellent point about the Khilafat or Caliphate as a potential clearing house for Islamic matters. That is exactly the reason why the leaders in Medina came up with the concept. Unfortunately, being Muslims, we ended up with multiple Caliphates after long drawn-out battles for supremacy of one group over another. The last one, the Ottomans, carried the title and power for four hundred years, only to have it ended after their disastrous defeat in WWI.

Yes, such an office could be resurrected. But again, how do you convince the Soodis, the Egyptians, and some of the well-off absolute monarchies like Kuwait, UAE, and Oman to be subjected to a superior body? Perhaps others could discuss in more detail. Good thought on your part, though.

Pakistan army makes Fight against the criminals in FATA the first victim of the Mumbai dog and pony show.
The criminals are being declared patriots now... Well Pakistanis forget India we need to turn our guns agains the Pak army now.
Indians show your support now.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=18709
ISLAMABAD: All main militant groups fighting in Fata, from South Waziristan to Bajaur and from Mohmand to the Khyber Agency, have contacted the government through different sources after the Mumbai bombings and have offered a ceasefire if the Pakistan Army also stops its operations.

And as a positive sign that this ceasefire offer may be accepted, the Pakistan Army has, as a first step, declared before the media some notorious militant commanders, including Baitullah Mehsud and Maulvi Fazlullah, as “patriotic� Pakistanis.

These two militant commanders are fighting the Army for the last four years and have invariably been accused of terrorism against Pakistan but the aftermath of the Mumbai carnage has suddenly turned terrorists into patriots.

A top security official told a group of senior journalists on Saturday: “We have no big issues with the militants in Fata. We have only some misunderstandings with Baitullah Mehsud and Fazlullah. These misunderstandings could be removed through dialogue.�

The Indian allegations against Pakistan have suddenly forced the military establishment in Pakistan to finally accept that they are not fighting an American war inside the Pakistani territory.

I must confess that I am little perturbed but I am not surprised at the Bombay incident. It was written on the wall for the longest time and Hindus had it comming. These things do not happen in vaccum; but they certainly follow natures laws of cause and effect. People have really short memory. Just in the August of this month hundereds of thousands of Kashmiris set out to march to Pakistani border to remind world and their Hindu occupiers their international commitment towards Kashmir's democratic right to self-determine. How they were treated?? Hundereds of them were shot by machine guns by the occupying hindu army. Had at that a single Hindu raised the voice against his own government "why are you massacring my fellow citizens?" the Bombay tragedy could have been averted. It is cause and effect my friends - cause and effect.

I have some random thoughts on this incident:

1. Americans have fukked up not only their own country but rest of the mankind as well. This collosal fukk up is unprecedented in the recorded history. The main cause of their collpase is their refusal and arrogance to grow out of 18th century colonialism menatlity. Every country that partenerd with them to erect the American empire has thorouhjly been fukked up. It is as simple as 2+2, that GWOT is wrong; it has consequences for everyone on the planet and here they are.

2. Fact # 2 is that Americans in their long history of "interventions" have chosen to fukk up with the wrong kind of people this time. It is another thing to contain Palestinians into two concentration camps called Gaza Strip and West Bank and declaring victory but dealing with 1 billion of the rest is totally another issue. Isn'nt it obvious that Muslims have refused to become third class citizens of the world. What world needs today is rule of law which is equal for all citizen nations. The consequences of privilged veto class are now here for all of us to suffer.

3. So in short Americans have failed on all fronts - political, economical, military, and in leadership. It is time that countries like Hindustan re-evaluate their position towards their participation in building American Empire at the cost of 1 billion Muslims.

4. Pakistan must re-evaluate its position too. If Pakistan can get 5 billion dollars from IMF to get through this crisis then why would it need American "help". If Americans are borrowing money from China (at interest) and giving it to us (with added interest) then why not borrow directly from China??

Kaal Bhayya, Pardesi, and others:

That was very shameful of you guys to take dear little Dawa's passionate affection for Medina and turn it into some universal raison d'etre for Islamic extremism. Her innocent comment about a grain of Medina being more precious than her life was just an expression of utmost loyalty very similar to what people say about the US, to die for God and Country in the case of the Brits, the Mudderland in Deutschland, and patriotic songs sung by Lata and others about becoming "Shaheed" for India.

By the way, "Shaheed" is most definitely an Arabic term, meaning giving witness to the fact that there is "No God but Allah and Mohammed is His Prophet." Do you think it's normal for Indian reporters to constantly use that hated Arabic word for Indian commandos and police who died bravely while fighting the cursed terrorist bastards?

#148 BJ2,
Coomar Bhayya,
I may not be a typical Mussulman, but why do you portray yourself as the composite Bihari?
By the way, were you able to remove the bolt that was welded to your cranial fortress to keep it safe from logical infusions? :)

Re: # 145

Salim miaN, in the wildest of my dreams I would never think of equating you with a typical Mussalmaan who has to live in a typical Muslim country and has to live among typical Mussalman folks and who is typically not highly educated and who is not typically found interacting on this site and who has to toil like a typical Mussalmaan who is working hard to feed a typical Mussalmaan family and who, in order to accomplish that feat, depends on the good-wishes of his typical Mussalman neighbors and typical Mussalmaan community to protect and preserve his typical Mussalmaan ass and who is accordingly not at liberty to make independent decisions even though in his heart he may know very well what is right and what is not.

Salim miaN, EVERYONE here knows that you are highly atypical!

I would appreciate if someone would find time to write about arguments for and against Khilafat.

I'd imagine that if Khilafat were to be established, there would be a single person who would be the authority representing the Ummah across national boundaries, who would have the final say in the event of disputes regarding Islam and the rest of the world, and indeed the non-Muslim world would have one person to hold accountable for the good or bad actions taken in the name of Islam. Would that not be better than having hoards of Mullahs issuing all kinds of fatwas at will, and confusing the heck of the Muslims and non-Muslims alike?

I realize I am making it sound simple, but the intent is to seek inputs on the complexities of the issues involved.

Thanks ... E

#53 Posted by Eklavya on November 29, 2008 3:03:36 am
{"Good, we are ballat karis and we will ballat kar saad ullah and all other ullahs."}

Kaal Bhayya,
As long as you are in Ullah Ballat Kar mode, will you remember not to forget Nasirullah please? Nasir Loola BuRBuR.

BJ2 #65 {"The problem is, there are strong penalties associated with apostasy in Islam. I think that is the reason the vast majority keeps its mouth shut (not out of any sympathy for the bad people). "}

BJ,
Good intent, wrong conclusion. No, most Muslims, including myself, do question extremism and are very vocal about our disagreement with the radicals. The real reason is that when the right-wing BJP/RSS/VHP/BD/JS/SP/SS/MNS goons or the anti-Turkish Chetnicks or blood-thirsty Crusaders, or land-grabbing Zionist settlers kill, rape, mutilate, and burn us THEY DON'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN RADICAL MUSLIMS AND MODERATE ONES. So why should we stir the pot, alienate a small minority of our own people, when all of know that our enemies will never be satisfied until they annhilate us all.

By the way, in the US (and for that matter in Turkey) I can stop being a Muslim, convert to any religion, including dung beetle worship, and no harm will come to me. So, that should blow your theory. Yes, my ancestors converted from Hinduism to Islam and I can revert at any time - I choose not to do so and that is my own will. Comprende, amigo?

#39 Posted by Eklavya on November 29, 2008 2:50:43 am

{"By the way, we love balat kar. Our policy is balat kar all Muslim women.

As, all you Pakistanis know, we do with every woman in Kashmir.

That's the way we are. Else we woould have been Pakistanis."}

NA KAR, KAAL BHAYYA, NA KAR!
You are revealing too much about yourself that we have not seen before. :(

#32 Posted by masanamuthu on November 29, 2008 2:43:54 am
{"religions are evil and Islam leads the pack by huge margins. Muslims need not convert to Hinduism, rather convert to humanism, that means being good human beings rather than being good Muslims."}

Muthu Mian,
Unfortunately, you are right here. I keep saying to my fellow Muslims that Islam is a failure until non-Muslims start banging on our doors clamoring to be let in. :) They just don't listen to me.