India-Pakistan: Empathy, grief in Pakistan for Mumbai mayhem

#353 tahmed, they have no cognizable crime. you can argue immorality, bad governance for modi but crime? thakre is not even in power so cant even argue bad governance. bad governance is only punishable in elections. so modi goes free. you can only take him out by criminal means with some serious consequences. simple facts.

#350 jang: how about bringing these "political leaders" of india to justice? (not "indian justice" that let modi off the hook, but real justice).

DashDot: dont give me this "hindus" and "jews" business though - there were muslims killed too, no doubt, in mumbai. and my prayers are for the children of everyone who was killed, regardless of religion.

I think that time is FAST running out on Pakistan. The fact that Condi Rice is in India (good cop) and Adm. Mullen is in Pakistan (bad cop) simultaneously, is sending an unmistakable message. Adm. Mullen's chief Pakistani interlocutor will be his counterpart - Gen. Kayani, not Zardari. This should tell us something what the US (and India) believe is the power center in Pak.

The two visits by Rice/Mullen are also something entirely new - in the past, the US approach was even-handed, with an emissary making two stops. With this new approach, a diplomatic message is being delivered to India, and a military one to Pakistan behind the scenes.

I have no doubt that if the Pakistanis do not come clean on this event, the future is indeed very grave for their country. You cannot antagonize two elephants simultaneously and somehow escape being trampled when they dance over you.

oye taking out of hitler or milesovic is fine only after the nazis and serb are crushed or defeated and germany was a homogeneous society..dont mix random things and throw words like genocide lightly, otherwise i will stop interacting with you and you will left with tahmed. IMO in current situation, killing these political leaders will cause irreparable damage to multi-cultural india. which offcourse is desired by many, but its a simple fact. getting dawood (and malegaon accused) to trial is otoh a good way forward.

#345 DD: I certainly hope the Zardari government is able to put an end to the mischief of LeT & co once and for all. If these scum are a menace to India, they are a far greater menace to Pakistan - as Zardari seems to realize.

I on the other hand have no problem with them being taken out just as i would have with any other criminal or say hitler etc who was also democratically elected. people's vote is not the ultimate sanctifier for genocide.

as a clarification, i am most certainly NOT advocating killing of any political leaders like modi or thakre..they are legitimate voices of the people they are supported by. they ought to be tried in courts of law and public opinion (which has been done and they have prevailed). you may not like it, but they express a real opinion. their killing will most certainly lead to large scale riots. i think pakis should try to help indians feel secure so that they dont have to resort to modi and thakre, and they can then be ok with other goons like laloo, CPM and congressis who do no target muslims specifically.

I dont think their is a connection between al qaida's strategy and whats happening in south asia. but as regards why the al qaida has two diff messages for its recruitment base and for the west could lie in this article which looks at motivations for recruitment from stuka's ilog http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/59084/30296

Re: # 344 that they will be...Tahmed32 - they are jews and Indians (hindus) afterall (its almost 90% cerain).

the other 10% is the scary thing.

But why wait for the future...why not do something now...get rid of the LeT or is that that the State of Pakistan does not have the courage to do it?

be: one day i hope that 2 year old boy whose young parents were murdered at Nariman House who was crying out his mother and fathers names at their funeral, the children of the brave policeman Karkare, and indeed the children of every single person murdered by these animals in mumbai grow up to be...great scientists, doctors, lawyers, political leaders.

That will be the best revenge against the LeT and their supporters (e.g. the retired army officer who trained these animals for mumbai).

#341 "I have no clue why they dont do the most obvious,"
after 3 days of constant complaining, you are finally getting somewhere. I read about a study some guy did about the difference between Al-Qaeda's transmissions to west courtesy of Adam Gadahn and Al-Qaeda's Arabic propaganda. The former focused on the kind of stuff that you have been droning about for the last few days. The latter was largely free of this and focused on technical interpretations of quran, hadith, etc. Now why do you think that is?

salim

Yep, zardari did a terrific "performance" on CNN, much better than any prior dance routines performed by various pakiland "presidents" and "prime ministers" till date...

But he was a little too much full of "making peace with india" and "taking out terrorists" rhetoric, that will not go down very well with real pakis... Remember, his wife made pretty much did a similar "performance" on CNN before she headed out to pakiland, only to be shot and killed in broad day light...

zaradri is toast...

Jang you have hit the nail on the head, that is the greatest mystery to me, it has trobled me for years why they target poor people, infact this is the first time they have even targetted the rich upper castes, thats why I think these jihadis are not genuine they are working either to achieve some agenda for the ISI or for the lashkars or maybe for the BJP, I have no clue why they dont do the most obvious, if 10 of them could do such mayhem they could take on thakarey and modi despite their security

jang #337 good question. answer: because terrorists (hindu or muslim) are cowardly scum who prey on helpless people.

Pakistan may well be on the way to becoming a Jihadi state but India is not far behind on becoming a saffron one. The partition that began 60 years ago is now nearly complete. Even the congress was surprised when it won the last election and it appears it might be its last. if we want just and liberal societies, civil society will have to fight hard in both countries, at present it appears to be a loosing battle.