Pleas For Sanity as Sabres Rattle Over Mumbai Mayhem

cheema sahib,

... sorry - what are you doing with a feminine nick? ....and how come you were banned; i never get banned ... you must have been really really bad ... chowk staff needs to lighten up ... would you recommend prunes?

.... doesn't it scare the hell out of you to see that all pakis reagrdless of their school of thought (and those without a thought) agree on kashmir? ...... hp sain, tahmed, captain cluless, mad masadi, ahmedmadani, me - there could not be a more disparate group of folks and we seldom agree on anything ....... yet on kashmir, there seems to be no disagreement .......

I also know a Bangladeshi Hindu background Atheist who wrote an article on Kashmiri history that was a completely Islamised history of it wherein all of the villains were Hindus and Sikhs and the victims were all Muslims. You guys haven't exactly had an unbiased education on the issue. You don't even know much beyond the propaganda you were fed in your formative years.

Read the history of it again:

http://history.world-citizenship.org/baharistan-i-shahi

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- INFORMATION PRESS - News Views Media - USA- Chief Editor: Journalist SYED ADEEB- http://www.SyedAdeeb.net -- http://www.InformPress.com================================================== Zardari, Gillani Working with Indian RAW and US CIA to Divide Pakistan India and America exploit Mumbai attacks for propaganda againstPakistan http://www.war-on-pakistan.info By Taji Mustafa (InformPress.com) - While ordinary people across the world have beenshocked by the Mumbai attacks, [corrupt] politicians in India and theUnited States have chosen to exploit the [tragic] situation for theirown political ends. In response, [PPP] President [Asif Ali] Zardari [acorrupt mercenary of the U.S. CIA] and [PPP] Prime Minister [YousafRaza] Gillani [another corrupt mercenary of the U.S. CIA] haverepeated their unconditional cooperation with [the Terrorist MafiaTyrants of] India giving the Indians [Hindus] what appears to be ablank check to do whatever they wish with Pakistan.

"Choking off the water supply for a lower riparian state ( a state that lies downstream ) is FORBIDDEN under International Law and is deemed an act of war"

Since Pakistan is already engaged in a proxy war with India , morally the point is moot.

Legally we should examine all creative legal theories, ( and I am not an expert here), say Pakistan's state sponsorhip of terror , to withdraw or violate.

"2. Moreover, in my opinion, it would be a crime against 150 million people, just as if China stopped the Brahmaputra"

A predominant majority of these people are indirect participants in Pakistan's war against India. Some by actively supporting Jihad, some by denying that it even exists. There is a level of moral culpability there( not equal to prime movers, of course , but it is there). So a level of punishment is morally justified.

Secondly in situations based necessarily on collective like these it cannot be an absolute crieterion that no innocent person ever get hurt.

"noticed how many times "secularist" is actually code word for "racist" "

ha ha, I won't get into that right now. That is a full-blown can of very big worms right there. Except to say that I agree 100%.

Speaking specifically of this gentleman, he began his historical narration from much before Maudoodi, going right to Mughal days. Anyways, if I can find something on the web on it, will share it.

GTG for now. Later.

Cheema bibi, stop pretending, you've been caught by the eagle eyed Costello of Abbott and Costello. It was good while it lasted. Sigh.

WM i know he didnt invent the wheel.... but he was a big player in promoting a particular school of thought and AQ did give him props.

Kaal you may have noticed how many times "secularist" is actually code word for "racist". This is b/c you cant be islami (pro ummah) and racist at the same time.

I will see if I can find something on the web with that view. Haven't seen that before...

Clifton, that is PRECISELY what it was, IMO.

As an outsider, I felt he was playing the same game that people invariably play, but he seemed hardly aware of it. Instead of looking into basic ideas and how they could manifest themselves differently in different contexts, he was simply externalizing problems as he saw them. It couldn't be Arab Islam, not HIS Islam, but someone else's Islam that caused all the 'problems.' And who better to blame but an Indian when speaking to an Indian.

Still, the theory was compelling - as it always is (otherwise people won't be able to convince themselves of it).

Re: # 1110

maudoodi's ideology wasn't original ... he was(in turn) influenced by Haan-ul Banna and subsequently Syed Qutb (who was his contemporary) ... both from the arabic speaking world (Egypt)

Well maudoodi did inspire the AQ apparently. But I dont see why all muslims of indian origin or even most should be held accountable for that.

Kaal you may want to ask the bona fide ayrab what he thinks of turkish muslims or persian muslims or for that matter other ayrab muslims who dont agree with him.

If you put any two muslims in a room and they dont agree upon anything strongly enough you will soon find they dont consider each other muslim, this is not breaking news is it?

I mean, this guy was giving references to various ullahs to maudoodi and stuff, which I was hardly listening to, but he seemed to weave a darn good story!!

matilda, but do you think there is something to that seemingly crazy idea - that 'Indian' Muslims pretty much invented the new Islam we know around the world today?

(I think that is a bit of a cop out on the part of secular arabs. don't you? 'Indians' are smart but not THAT smart so as to force all of the Muslim world to readily take up something if it didn't make good sense to them. :))

Re: # 1105; eklavya

there you go ... you have yourself 'two' different Islams already ... and you were still insisting on the notion of a united "nation of Islam"!!

... and since it was an arab saying it, must be right eh?

you really need to do something about your headache sir (I know you want to!)

hamdim, matilda

Last evening I spoke with an ayrab Muslim 'secularist' (don't know how one could be all that at the same time) and my head, already hurting badly, has been reeling since then. He said two things:

(1) He was speaking of 'India' and 'Indian mentality'. And he seemed to include under that label - everything from Pakistan to India proper to Bangladesh to even parts further east!!!

(2) And he seemed to blame 'Indians' for all the problems in the arbaic world today! He said 'Indians' made up an Islam that the ayrabs didn't earlier care for!


Now, it does gibe with some things I have speculated upon earlier - that 'Indian' (which includes Pakistani and Bangladeshi) Muslims can be exptected to be among the most hyper Muslims, but coming from an ayrab, that was a shock.

Am still trying to figure out what all that means!

'Indians' teaching 'ayrabs' what Islam means - that's quite a thought!