Ayodha , Dec 06

vrv surcharged maybe, did they collect the bricks required.

ayodhya was the finest hour of hindu commoners reclaiming their sacred space that was usurped and defiled by momeen goons from the past.
hindu idolators must record such defilements and reclaim their sacred places .......especially ketas raj temples......

When India was going thru the financial hardships of post-Gulf War, Advani ran this self-destructive campaign to 'build' a magnificent temple in the spot where a non-functioning masjid was located. Sangh Parivar collected hundreds of crores of rupees from Indians and abroad for that purpose. We dont know who ate that money.

Every village in India was surcharged with frenzy to collect 'bricks' for the construction of Ram Temple. Bricks were made and taken to Ayodhya which they're 'never' going to use them as the temple not going to be built with bricks. Probably they would use those bricks for toilets near the temple but the bricks were consecrated and treated as godly objects then. Tensions were created for those useless bricks in each and every village.

The 'Toyota' rath yatra was undertaken that left trial of destruction of property and lives everywhere. Even the post-demolition of the monument left India with a big gash in terms of loss of lives, property and GDP. It also gave birth to a new force called Rapid Action Force (in terms of budget several dozen/hundred crores) that's meant to meet that challenges thrown by the communalists.

BJP came to power but they didnt build the temple. They no longer talk about it now as they say achieved what they wanted to i.e. getting power. The route they took to get power was most despicable.

So much was written and talked abt Ayodhya. I see it as nothing but power struggle of Hindu right-wingers whose thinking is rooted in the worldview of WW I & II eras.

N.B: I didn't read this article.

what India needs is not faultlines between 60% and 40% or 80% and 15% but 100% people thinking of themselves together. the chances of that on both sides is bleak even without politics because of inherited prejudices but under the pressures of electoral politics where u appeal to the lowest common denominator,impossible. democracy is not good always.

compare this to a situation in a nonreserved constitueny where u cannotget elected without appealing to people of different faith. only BJP has broken this trend now because they have managed to unite lower and upper cadte hindu who together form 80% of the pop. hindu mahasabha and jan sangh couldnot win because they didnt appeal to lower castes who saw them as oppresors and the upper castes never considered the dalits to be hindus at all until i think around 1900 when they started insisting that the british include them as hindus so that they as hindus could get more representaion in govt jobs and political representation. but still they were not considerd hindus in prvt and hence werent allowed in temples and were still untouchables

indias problem was there was a huge single party which was mostly hindu and would permanently be in power for the forseable future after independence and their was a mulim party which would permanently sit in opposition. had there been a multi party system or had there not been reserved constituencies in which there was an incentive to radicalize the constituency, because the constituency consisted of only people of one faith, and there was no incentive to appeal to people of different faith.

yeah but in 36/37 he received most of the muslim vote in UP, Bihar, bombay etc. In punjab and Bengal regional parties were strong. there were some mistakes made by congress provincial govts in the thrities. secondly muslim inteligentia had scared the public in 45, islam khatre main hai, aur hindu raj ajai ga, because they wanted a share in power and feared that they would become a permanent minority in opposition because of the structure of the political system, that is reserved constituencies and they were also scared of being swamped by hindu professional classes which were more numerous and better educated . lastly even in the elections of 45 no more than 3% or so of muslims had voting rights the vast majority did not.

Majumdar bhai, I'm referring to the author.

Bori mian,

muslims out of love for him welcomed him.

Yeah. Like in 1946 elections when a grand total of 1.4% Muslims voted for Nehru's INC!!!

Regards

You are right many of the riots were provoked by business rivalry, I remember reaing about moradabad that as the muslim artisans in the brass busines started doing well, and same in Bhiwandi where they were runing small textile looms and even recently in Gujarat and Bombay their business rivals instigated and burnt down their business. Indira by increasing Indias socialist orientation reduced the pie and made it a sum zero game.

Nehru didnt patronize mullahs, muslims out of love for him welcomed him. he took whatever steps he could to prevent riots after 47 when even he couldnt do much in Punjab and Delhi,haryana, rajisthatn. Indira gandhi actually didnt do anything during riots or after them to punish the guilty, naturally others after her followed her practice.

Bori mian,

when she didnt take any measures for alleviating economic conditions of muslims

Au contraire, she did everything possible to shatter India's economy and ruin almost everyone. Had Jwahirullah and Indira followed the East Asian model of promoting export oriented light industry- textiles, leather et al, India wud have been a different place altogether. And surely you wud know that Muslims-who consitute the bulk of India's artisan classes- wud have been beneficiaries of such an industrial policy.

Regards

she was the most powerful PM india had, when she didnt take any measures for alleviating economic conditions of muslims and on the contrary suppressed the reports that came out, how will anyother leader do anything now when the BJP is without anything being done allready shouting appeasement and royal treatment of muslims.

Bori mian,

32,34

I hold Com. Jwahirullah and his daughter responsible for the whole mess. They messed up the economy and patronised the worst kind of mullahs and thus completely discredited the INC brand after which they had no option but to resort to communalism to catch votes.

Regards

Bori mian,

Re: 32

I agree with your analysis.

I suspected you of being Paki, but ur Indian no doubt about that.

Regards

The whole rot was started by the congress which had been playing identity politics since the 70s, giving money to mullahs to issue fatwas in their favor before elections, make a big deal of eid receptions all sybolic bull while actually she suppressed all reports which showed true economic conditions of muslims and their proportion in govt, pvt sector etc. she never took any action against police personel and rioters in communal riots to keep right wing hindus happy and to show muslims that she was their only hope. she never implemented the recomendations of any of the commisions on riots right from 1969 onwards which could have nipped this problem in the bud.

In punjab she wanted to teach akalis a leson, in bangladesh she wanted to teach pakis a lesson and in sri lanka she wanted to keep lankas in place. Under her govt the biggest massacres of muslims took place 3000 in nellie assam, 2000 in ahmedabad in 69, over a thousand in moradabad in 1980, hundreds in meerut. she started the slide towards babri and later.